About the conflict between Ukraine and the West with Russia in simple words

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah, once the walking frames have all dried up for all the latest recruits.

nvm

a reply to: andy06shake

As the inflatable Headmaster in his inflatable study in the inflatable school said to the inflatable schoolboy with a drawing pin:

"You've let the school down, you've let me down but most of all, you've let yourself down".

I'll get my coat....

Which brother did this: (from Wikipedia) I don't recall the OP mentioning the "simple, hard working, honest farmer, a Christian" recruiting militias to take back more than the farm he so generously gave:

Did they give them the Donbas region or just the Crimea?

The separatist paramilitaries were formed during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine. The Donbas People's Militia was formed in March 2014 by Pavel Gubarev, who proclaimed himself "People's Governor" of Donetsk Oblast,[9] while the Army of the South-East was formed in Luhansk Oblast. The Donbas war began in April 2014 after these groups seized Ukrainian government buildings in the Donbas, leading the Ukrainian military to launch its Anti-Terrorist Operation against them.

During the Donbas war, Russian far-right groups were heavily involved in recruiting for the separatists, and many far-right activists joined them and formed volunteer units.[10][11] The Russian separatists have been held responsible for war crimes, among them the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17[12] and the Mariupol rocket attacks, which they have denied.[13] The militias were also responsible for illegal abductions, detention, and torture of civilians of the Donbas.[14]

Again to true correspondent to the Royalty of Great Britain and Russia.

Serbia remains at fort.

Kosovo is Serbia.

Best tennis in the world. Best basketball player in the world says so.

a reply to: Imhere

So you are Serbian?

And also Karl Malden

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a reply to: Imhere

What's wrong with this method of handling things:
In other words, elections, referendums, polls. What was so terrible that they had to start a war which has cost hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides?

from Wikipedia on the Donbas, edited for length:

In the 1991 referendum on Ukrainian independence, 83.9% of voters in Donetsk Oblast and 83.6% in Luhansk Oblast supported independence from the Soviet Union. Turnout was 76.7% in Donetsk Oblast and 80.7% in Luhansk Oblast. In October 1991, a congress of South-Eastern deputies from all levels of government took place in Donetsk, where delegates demanded federalisation.
A brief attempt at gaining autonomy by pro-Viktor Yanukovych politicians and officials was made in 2004 during the Orange Revolution. The so-called South East Ukranian Autonomous Republic was intended to consist out of nine South-Eastern regions of Ukraine. The project was initiated on 26 November 2004 by the Luhansk Oblast Council, and was discontinued the next month by the Donetsk Oblast Council. On 28 November 2004, in Sievierodonetsk, the so-called First All-Ukraine Congress of Peoples’ Deputies And Local-Council Deputies took place, organised by the supporters of Viktor Yanukovych.
Donetsk Mayor Oleksandr Lukyanchenko, however, stated that no one wanted autonomy, but rather sought to stop the Orange Revolution demonstrations going on at the time in Kyiv and negotiate a compromise. After the Orange Revolution's victory, some of the organisers of the congress were charged with "encroachment upon the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine", but no convictions were made.
In other parts of Ukraine during the 2000s, the Donbas was often perceived as having a "thug culture", as being a "Soviet cesspool", and as "backward". Writing in the Narodne slovo newspaper in 2005, commentator Viktor Tkachenko said that the Donbas was home to "fifth columns", and that speaking Ukrainian in the region was "not safe for one's health and life". It was also portrayed as being home to pro-Russian separatism. The Donbas is home to a significantly higher number of cities and villages that were named after Communist figures compared to the rest of Ukraine. Despite this portrayal, surveys taken across that decade and during the 1990s showed strong support for remaining within Ukraine and insignificant support for separatism.

a reply to: Solvedit

The crazy part about the entire debacle.

Is that Putin's failed land grab in Ukraine did nothing more than to drive Finland and Sweden into the arms of NATO.

Essentially this means Russia will have doubled the borders she shares with NATO nations.

No matter the outcome of her cowardly war against Ukraine.

Simply put Russia is going to have a hard time policing and defending that kind of geographical area with any sort of proficiency.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Solvedit

The crazy part about the entire debacle.

Is that Putin's failed land grab in Ukraine did nothing more than to drive Finland and Sweden into the arms of NATO.

Essentially this means Russia will have doubled the borders she shares with NATO nations.

No matter the outcome of her cowardly war against Ukraine.

Simply put Russia is going to have a hard time policing and defending that kind of geographical area with any sort of proficiency.

NATO’s land grab with sovereign Kosovo/Serbia within the past years is also in effect

a reply to: Imhere

NATO’s land grab with sovereign Kosovo/Serbia within the past years is also in effect

I don't think thats on topic??

This thread is about the illegal and criminal Russian land grab in the Ukraine.

a reply to: Imhere

Start a thread on it Imhere.

Ile play.

But its not really going to change the mess Russia will be in border-wise with NATO.

Or the new Cold War era that will most likely materialise out of Russia's war with Ukraine.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Imhere

NATO’s land grab with sovereign Kosovo/Serbia within the past years is also in effect

I don't think thats on topic??

This thread is about the illegal and criminal Russian land grab in the Ukraine.

So you’re basically comparing one land grab for another within the past 20yrs ?

a reply to: Imhere

NATO has not grabbed any land.

Serbia doesn’t want NATO nor Russia in or around Kosovo.

Like Israel doesn’t want UN or anybody ceasefire or otherwise.

Kosovo is Serbia.

Not anyone else’s. You’d have to pick up ur jock straps up before going head to toe with one of Europe’s great ones. And pounded in stone.

It's a land grab pure and simple, orchastrated by Putin using lies he tells the Russian people. I mean he does owe China $169.3 billion, maybe he thinks he can pawn out the land for money to help repay the debt?

www.lovemoney.com...

Russia is by far the biggest borrower from China, racking up a total debt of $169.3 billion (£134bn) over the last 20 years. However, AidData's figures only account for borrowing that took place between 2000 and 2021 and, realistically, this figure is likely to be even higher following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: RussianTroll

“With your husband” and “with your husband”

Im not judging you RT. If you and your husband are happy, then good for you.

There is no need to project your happiness onto me. All this LGBT evil comes from you. And we believe in God and protect our children. Don't bother our children with this abomination. Personally, you can have sex with anything, even a tree, even a motorcycle, even a Ferris wheel. This is your choice. But if you come to us with this, you will fertilize our black earth lands with your ashes! I warned you.
Now you can complain about me to the moderators. But then don’t say that you are men.

That's it, I have better time to spend than talking to Nazis, racists and perverts. Farewell!

a reply to: Imhere

Serbia doesn’t want NATO nor Russia in or around Kosovo.

Is that not the business of a few other nations in the area that happen to have chosen to join NATO of their own volition.

Like Albania, Montenegro, Greece, and Italy for instance?

NATO's primary purpose is to ensure the collective defense of its member states against aggression, particularly from external threats.

As long as you don't attack any member states you don't have anything to be concerned about.

Like Israel doesn’t want UN or anybody ceasefire or otherwise.

Apples and oranges I'm afraid and the comparison is somewhat off by miles, more than a thousand or thereabouts.

Kosovo is Serbia.

The status of Kosovo is a complex and highly debated issue and as you are perfectly aware the situation remains unresolved.

Not anyone else’s. You’d have to pick up ur jock straps up before going head to toe with one of Europe’s great ones. And pounded in stone.

If you say so, again it might be best to start a thread on something you feel so strongly about.