The War in Israel must stop

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: FlyersFan

so besides oct 7th, is there any other date you can think of that may be a reason for all the aggresion from isreal prior to that? or does oct 7th erase history, is that like a new mandela effect?

So ignorant

1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949) – Started as 6 months of civil war between Jewish and Arab militias when the mandate period in Palestine was ending and turned into a regular war after the establishment of Israel and the intervention of several Arab armies. In its conclusion, a set of agreements were signed between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, called the 1949 Armistice Agreements, which established the armistice lines between Israel and its neighbours, also known as the Green Line.

Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s) – Palestinian attacks and reprisal operations carried out by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1950s and 1960s. These actions were in response to constant fedayeen incursions during which Arab guerrillas infiltrated from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan into Israel to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers. The policy of the reprisal operations was exceptional due to Israel's declared aim of getting a high 'blood cost' among the enemy side which was believed to be necessary in order to deter them from committing future attacks.
Suez Crisis (October 1956) – A military attack on Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel, beginning on 29 October 1956, with the intention to occupy the Sinai Peninsula and to take over the Suez Canal. The attack followed Egypt's decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam. Although the Israeli invasion of the Sinai was successful, the United States and USSR forced it to retreat. Even so, Israel managed to re-open the Straits of Tiran and pacified its southern border.

Six-Day War (June 1967) – Fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Following the war, the territory held by Israel expanded significantly ("The Purple Line") : The West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, Golan Heights from Syria, Sinai and Gaza from Egypt.
War of Attrition (1967–1970) – A limited war fought between the Israeli military and forces of the Egyptian Republic, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1967 to 1970. It was initiated by the Egyptians as a way of recapturing the Sinai from the Israelis, who had been in control of the territory since the mid-1967 Six-Day War. The hostilities ended with a ceasefire signed between the countries in 1970 with frontiers remaining in the same place as when the war began.

Yom Kippur War (October 1973) – Fought from 6 to 26 October 1973 by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel as a way of recapturing part of the territories which they lost to the Israelis back in the Six-Day War. The war began with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively. Eventually Arab forces were defeated by Israel and there were no significant territorial changes.

Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982) – The PLO relocated to South Lebanon from Jordan, staged attacks on the Galilee, and used South Lebanon as a base for international operations. In 1978, Israel launches Operation Litani – the first Israeli large-scale invasion of Lebanon, which was carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in order to expel PLO forces from the territory. Continuing ground and rocket attacks, and Israeli retaliations, eventually escalate into the 1982 War.

1982 Lebanon War (1982) – Began on 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon to expel the PLO from the territory. The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization and due to the constant terror attacks on northern Israel made by the Palestinian guerrilla organizations which resided in Lebanon. The war resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon and created an Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon.
South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) – Nearly 15 years of warfare between the Israel Defense Forces and its Lebanese Christian proxy militias against Lebanese Muslim guerrilla, led by Iranian-backed Hezbollah, within what was defined by Israelis as the "Security Zone" in South Lebanon.

First Intifada (1987–1993) – First large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israel in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Second Intifada (2000–2005) – Second Palestinian uprising, a period of intensified violence, which began in late September 2000.

2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006) – Began as a military operation in response to the abduction of two Israeli reserve soldiers by the Hezbollah. The operation gradually strengthened, to become a wider confrontation. The principal participants were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military. The conflict started on 12 July 2006 and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006, when Israel lifted its naval blockade of Lebanon. The war resulted in a stalemate.

Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009) – Three-week armed conflict between Israel and Hamas during the winter of 2008–2009. In an escalation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel responded to ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip with military force in an action titled "Operation Cast Lead". Israel opened the attack with a surprise air strike on 27 December 2008. Israel's stated aim was to stop such rocket fire from and the import of arms into Gaza. Israeli forces attacked military and civilian targets, police stations, and government buildings in the opening assault. Israel declared an end to the conflict on 18 January and completed its withdrawal on 21 January 2009.
2012 Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012) – Military offensive on the Gaza Strip.[1]

2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014) – Military offensive on the Gaza Strip as a response to the collapse of American-sponsored peace talks, attempts by rival Palestinian factions to form a coalition government, the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers, the subsequent kidnapping and murder of a Palestinian teenager, and increased rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas militants.[2]

Syrian Civil War and the Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war.

2021 Israel–Palestine crisis or Operation Guardian of the Walls (May 2021) – Riots between Jews and Arabs in Israeli cities. Hamas fired rockets into Israel, with Iron Dome intercepting the most dangerous projectiles. Israel began airstrikes in Gaza.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: crayzeed


If wanting to respect international treaties and human rights by all parties is being part of the new world, then yes. Israel is the occupying country, just like the British, the Ottomans, Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Phoenicians...

Palestine is not a country because they have never allowed the Arab people who inhabit that area to be a state, do you remember? of the invaders....? Yes, they used them in the First World War against the Ottomans, promising them a united Arab state (the allies lied).

Hamas does not represent all Palestinians, just as it happens with the Cubans, Venezuelans, North Koreans, Russians, Chinese... these people are not their dictators, they are the ones who suffer from them. In addition to this, the Arabs in Palestine suffer from the latest invader who wants to exterminate them.

It is normal for these people to grow up with hatred when they are being exterminated in their own land.

originally posted by: datguy
so besides oct 7th, is there any other date you can think of that may be a reason for all the aggresion from isreal prior to that? or does oct 7th erase history, is that like a new mandela effect?

So ignorant

You know nothing of the history of that area, nor of the aggression against the Jews by the Muslims, and yet you call others 'so ignorant'??? WOW. That's pretty pathetic. I'd post the history, but it was just posted so go read up and educate yourself.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I guess you missed Israel's 75 years of illegal occupation of Palestine, right?

I guess you missed the difference of 1,200 Israeli deaths and 250 kidnapped versus 30,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians.

Is this difference insignificant to you? Why are the 30,000 dead, mostly civilians, Palestinians, or why are the 1,500 Israelis?

Yes, we all see the barbarity, but you keep repeating the same thing over and over again, as if the previous 75 years did not count, to understand what is happening you cannot only see what is in front of your nose, there is much more friend, and that helps to see things in perspective.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

There is no "equity" in war.

This isn't some liberal arts weekend project to be debated at Starbucks.

a reply to: FlyersFan


The list they have published is the evidence and the result produced by 75 years of occupation.

Still don't understand?

Maybe if you and your family were kicked out of your home and your country and spent 75 years as refugees keeping the keys and deeds to the legitimate houses you legally owned, maybe you would be more empathetic.

I can empathize against the Nazi genocide against the Jewish people and their historical persecution. Can you do the same when they are now the ones who have been occupying and expelling others for decades?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Where there is no equity whatsoever is that a military power is "massacring" mostly refugee civilians.

It's called genocide, that goes against the laws of war and against all international treaties.

expelling more than 700,000 Palestinians from their homes to place settlers after the Arab-Israeli war and now expelling 2 million people again is not an extermination and erasing an identity from the map.

There is no war, there is a country massacring civilians. In a war there is palpable resistance. they go 1500 for 30,000... there is no more blind than someone who does not want to see.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: FlyersFan




Maybe if you and your family were kicked out of your home and your country and spent 75 years as refugees keeping the keys and deeds to the legitimate houses you legally owned, maybe you would be more empathetic.

I can empathize against the Nazi genocide against the Jewish people and their historical persecution. Can you do the same when they are now the ones who have been occupying and expelling others for decades?

Bringing up the holocaust again when the majority of Israeli Jews are not of European descent! The majority of Israeli Jews come from the land of the muslims, indeed they were forced out of much of the Islamic world only a few decades ago and fled pogroms, murder and economic theft. Where's the empathy for this group of people? Jews were the biggest group in Baghdad, ahead of Muslims and Christians, when my mother was born and she's still alive. The biggest religious group in Baghdad. Now there isn't a single one! In my mother's lifetime. Same all over the Islamic world. Ethnic cleansing that puts the Nazi's to shame

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: DBCowboy

Where there is no equity whatsoever is that a military power is "massacring" mostly refugee civilians.

It's called genocide, that goes against the laws of war and against all international treaties.

expelling more than 700,000 Palestinians from their homes to place settlers after the Arab-Israeli war and now expelling 2 million people again is not an extermination and erasing an identity from the map.

There is no war, there is a country massacring civilians. In a war there is palpable resistance. they go 1500 for 30,000... there is no more blind than someone who does not want to see.

Thank you for redefining war to suit your narrative.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

You should check your data, the pogroms were called in Europe, where the Jews were most persecuted and expelled was in Europe.

Since Great Britain began to expel them, Jews have been expelled several times from France, Spain, Portugal and other European countries. Being welcomed by eastern countries, Ukraine or Poland, the last country where their exile to Palestine also began in 1881 and possibly the beginning of the genocide.

It is estimated that in the 19th century there were about 3 million Jews in Poland, about 350,000 in the capital, Warsaw, approximately half of the population.

So it would be good to check your sources. It started from Europe and most of the Israeli settlers are of European descent.

The cleaning has been carried out by Israel for decades, although some of you do not know how to distinguish the wheat from the chaff.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie
a reply to: Dalamax

The History lesson was to let you know as Flyers Fan said, there never was a Palastinian people to whom the land "belonged". The natives of the land to whom the land originally belonged was the Jewish people. So if you want to make sure the right people have the land, it would be the Jewish people.

Just honestly curious, who lived there before "GOD" sent Abraham and his son "isreal" from Babylon to fail in cleansing the region? Because those same people still lived there 1000's of years later when brittain took it over and then gave it to the Jews after WWII

Well it wasn't the Palastinians, they diden't even exist then, they "formed" over 3000 years later.

There were multiple little villages and encampments. All populated by the same ethnic group as the Jewish people. They weren't even as sophisticated as the American Indians. Even the NYTimes says that Israel was populated by the Jewish people 3000 years before, approximately 2900 years before the Palestinians formed as a group. However, the Bible says these people had what we would refer to as tribes in the land: Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girga#es, and the Jebusites. Palestinians like to say they are the ancient Cannanites, but there is no definitive proof, as the DNA of Jews has Cannanite in it as do the Palestinians. Both ethnic groups who are not part of the disaporia after the Romans (white people) conquered Israel, have Cannanite DNA. However, the first recorded civilization there was the Davidic Empire, or the Jews.

Even the American Indians were not the "first" inhabitants of the USA. The first inhabitants of the USA came across the Bering sea from northern Europe.

Paleolithic Europeans came across the Atlantic around 20,000 years ago, according to the 2021 Nature review.

www.livescience.com... Paleolithic Europeans were also the ancestors of northern European white people.

Confusing, sort of, but it explains why racial categories is divisive. Because American Indians and white Europeans both descended from the same paleolithic European stock that are ancestors of both groups. So in reality white Europeans have an equal claim to the USA as the American Indian if you go by whose ancestors (by DNA proof) were there first.

Just as the modern day Palestinians and Jews are both descended from Cannanites and can prove it through DNA. So both have equal claim if you go back that far.

Actually, I'd say that if you say the land belongs to who was there first, the people with the most neanderthal DNA in them have that claim. So the descendants of the original inhabitants of Israel are mostly northern European and Asians. So white people and far east Asians have the original rightful claim to the land of Israel. If you want to go back to the very first humans in Israel where their DNA and bones have been found.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
I guess you missed Israel's 75 years of illegal occupation of Palestine, right?

I guess you missed that there is no country of 'Palestine', right?
I guess you missed that the BAD BEHAVIOR of the so called 'palestinians' is why the West Bank is occupied and if the so called 'palestinians' would stop engaging in terrorism and stop calling for the destruction of Israel, they wouldn't be occupied. It's their own fault.

I guess you missed the difference of 1,200 Israeli deaths and 250 kidnapped versus 30,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians.

I guess you missed the fact that the 'death number' coming out of Gaza is from Hamas ... that they lie, they have no way of knowing how many are are actually dead, and they do not distinguish between a dead terrorist and a dead child .. so your claim 'mostly civilians' is dead wrong.

Why are the 30,000 dead, mostly civilians, Palestinians, or why are the 1,500 Israelis?

Why do you believe Hamas when they claim 30,000 dead when in fact they don't know and they have been caught lying about the number of dead before? Why do you claim it's 'mostly civilians' when in fact Hamas counts all the dead together - both terrorist and civilian? Stop blaming Israel for the dead in Gaza. NO ONE would be dead if Hamas and the Palestinians hadn't attacked Israel, slaughtered 1200 people, mass raped men and women, burned families alive, and kidnapped 240 people to torture, rape and murder. It all could be over in an instant if Hamas were to lay down their weapons and give up the hostages. ANY death in Gaza is the fault of Hamas... not Israel.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

The Arab people have Jordon

The Arab people have Saudi Arabia

The Arab people have Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, and Yemen

The Jews have a tiny strip of land about the size of New Jersey. Only 3 states are smaller than NJ.

But you think that the Palestinians who did not exist as a tribal group until Arafat formed them nationless in the 1950's, have no where to go and they deserve the tiny bit of only land the Jews have in the entire world. Then you are a Squad liberal leftist. for sure.

The Jews were the first major civilization that was a true governmental civilization in Israel, 1000 years before the Common Era and year 1. 3025 years ago.

Yet you think the Jews should be kicked out of their homeland for a tribe of Arab people who have over 16 countries they are the majority in, and only formed as a tribal group 75 years ago, to themselves and take away the one very tiny and insignificant only nation the Jews have. Really?
Sounds like a liberal of today for sure, anti-Jews and openly so.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
There is no "equity" in war.
This isn't some liberal arts weekend project to be debated at Starbucks.

The only way to win a war is overwhelming force used to win. Playing some game about 'proportionate response' is absolutely retarded and is the sure way to make a war last a hell of a long time, and a sure way to kill even more people, and a sure way of LOSING. 'Proportionate response' .... left wing babble that is abject stupidity.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Proportional response is how you prolong a war.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

Here’s a sauce.

www.haaretz.com... efefa25a0000

Two months ago, the National Library of Israel made its own contribution to raising awareness of this story when it published a telegram to Husseini from Heinrich Himmler in which the SS chief wished him success in his battle against “the Jewish invaders.”

The six photos that Kedem is now offering for sale show Husseini “during a tour apparently held at a camp” in Nazi Germany circa 1943, the auction house’s website says. The photos, three of which are on the site, show Husseini with several senior Nazi officials in uniform as well as government staffers in civilian dress.

“Birds of a feather”

ETA: if the link won’t work search…

“Never-before-seen Photos of Palestinian Mufti With Hitler Ties Visiting Nazi Germany“

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

At this point we left all the countries and cities to the prokaryotes since they were the first living beings on the face of the earth.

Do we have to go so far back in time to not recognize that the State of Israel was created in 1948 without the inhabitants of what the Ottomans called Gaza?

Is it a sufficient pretext that they were there 3000 years before, for 3000 years later to expel people who lived in what we know as Palestine?

From what you say, it seems that the Arabs who inhabited Gaza, when the British mandate was in Palestine, were mere scarecrows...

The dispersion of the Jews from Palestine came at the hands of Emperor Titus in the second century of the Christian era.

So 2000 years later it is logical to return and throw out the people who lived at that time in 1948, taking advantage of the First World War as an excuse and the connivance of the British...

And of course, since according to you, there are many Arab countries, what difference does it make to throw out the Arabs who have lived in Palestine for 2,000 years? There are many Arab countries, right?

Shall we review the countries or peoples that currently occupy where another people-country existed 2000 years ago?

The Jewish population in Palestine grew from about 56,000 in 1918 to about 88,000 in 1922, when the total population was estimated at 750,000. By 1939, the Jewish population had increased to 445,000 out of a total population of about one and a half million in Palestine. Everything in order in the occupation, right?

Before you call me anti-Jewish, please wash your mouth. I defend the Jewish people when they have been persecuted, annihilated and humiliated, in the same way that I defend the Arabs in Palestine when the Jews are persecuting, annihilating and humiliating them. This is where I differ from you, I defend injustices, wherever they come from.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Do you call someone who defends themselves when their home is invaded bad behavior? What a strange way to define the defense of one's own territory...

Did you miss that before 1948 the Israeli state did not exist?

I assume that the Israeli government has given you the list of the 1,200 murdered by Hamas, right? because no one else has seen them.

At least the Palestinians are showing their data, this is what the US said: it is likely that the figure is "higher than what is cited," indicated the US Undersecretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, Barbara Leaf. her (she was referring to when they were going for 10,000 Palestinian deaths).

The 5 million people left in Palestine ARE NOT HAMAS. Anyone who kills civilians as Israel does is committing war crimes. You insist on making each of the Palestinians a terrorist, and that's not the case, you lie, and the worst thing is that you know it...

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

You need to look up "spoils of war" and do some homework aside from MSNBC talking points.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: TheSingleBillie

At this point we left all the countries and cities to the prokaryotes since they were the first living beings on the face of the earth.

Do we have to go so far back in time to not recognize that the State of Israel was created in 1948 without the inhabitants of what the Ottomans called Gaza?

Is it a sufficient pretext that they were there 3000 years before, for 3000 years later to expel people who lived in what we know as Palestine?

From what you say, it seems that the Arabs who inhabited Gaza, when the British mandate was in Palestine, were mere scarecrows...

The dispersion of the Jews from Palestine came at the hands of Emperor Titus in the second century of the Christian era.

So 2000 years later it is logical to return and throw out the people who lived at that time in 1948, taking advantage of the First World War as an excuse and the connivance of the British...

And of course, since according to you, there are many Arab countries, what difference does it make to throw out the Arabs who have lived in Palestine for 2,000 years? There are many Arab countries, right?

Shall we review the countries or peoples that currently occupy where another people-country existed 2000 years ago?

The Jewish population in Palestine grew from about 56,000 in 1918 to about 88,000 in 1922, when the total population was estimated at 750,000. By 1939, the Jewish population had increased to 445,000 out of a total population of about one and a half million in Palestine. Everything in order in the occupation, right?

Before you call me anti-Jewish, please wash your mouth. I defend the Jewish people when they have been persecuted, annihilated and humiliated, in the same way that I defend the Arabs in Palestine when the Jews are persecuting, annihilating and humiliating them. This is where I differ from you, I defend injustices, wherever they come from.

I defend injustice.

I don't defend terrorism.
I don't defend taking hostages, including babies.
I don't defend starting all this by murdering, raping, and kidnapping.
Then whining they are the attacker
They are the abusive husband who says his wife deserved to be beat up. When she fights back and he ends up in the hospital he demands she be put in jail. But you call that justice, blaming the woman and putting her in jail as guilty of provoking the husband into beating her and the children. Really?

Sorry but I find your stance highly anti-semetic
and very supportive of a group of people (non-Jewish Arabs.)
who were supportive of the holocaust.historynewsnetwork.org...