Does anyone else get the sense that something downright miraculous might be up ahead?

a reply to: Degradation33

Taoism is part of Babylon the Great/false religion. Satan's #1 tool of manipulating and deceiving mankind (scientism included).

I understand you are unaware of and find it difficult to believe in the existence of Satan, and therefore are a bit reluctant to analyze his tactics and activities, or his influence on men and their resulting tactics and activities. (much like your pre-conditioned thoughts that you may have upon hearing the term "scientism"; which I explained in more detail before for those willing to hear and understand)

But as I indicated in my commentary before, my comments are not just for the one I'm responding to (sometimes not even for the one I'm responding to at all). If you can take anything beneficial away from my comment, great, if not, there's always a slim chance someone else might be benefitted by it.

Carl Sagan has little to nothing to offer in terms of "beneficial teaching" (2 Timothy 4:3,4) from the Bible (from Jehovah).

Isaiah 48:17,18

This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:

“I, Jehovah, am your God,

The One teaching you to benefit yourself,* [Or “for your own good.”]

The One guiding you in the way you should walk.

18 If only you would pay attention to my commandments!

Then your peace would become just like a river

And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

Carl Sagan and the others I mentioned, are pretty good at 'tickling people's ears', making people listen, and marketing themselves that way as someone worth listening to. But notice what Jehovah has to say about their supposed "wisdom":

...
How does God view the “wisdom” offered by human philosophy?

1 Cor. 1:19-25: “It is written: ‘I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men I will shove aside.’ Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness [as it appears to the world] of what is preached to save those believing. . . . Because a foolish thing of God [as the world views it] is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God [as the world may see it] is stronger than men.” (Such a viewpoint on God’s part is certainly not arbitrary or unreasonable. He has provided in the Bible, the most widely circulated book in the world, a clear statement of his purpose. He has sent his witnesses to discuss it with all who will listen. How foolish for any creature to think that he has wisdom greater than that of God!)

Source: Philosophy (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

“Make sure of the more important things.”—PHIL. 1:10.

Theoretical physics is not important. What is important?

“Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine” (1 Thessalonians 5:20,21)

Mind you, Phil. 1:10 was also* referring to even more important things, the things Jesus referred to as "the weightier matters of the Law" (among other things, I'll quote the context of Phil. 1:10 later, bolding some of those more important things, and using the same Bible reference that is given behind the sentence there about "make sure of the more important things"). (*: "also", analyzing prophecies and seeing their fulfilment, includes the study of history, which is part of doing what's described at Romans 12:2 as "be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." I'll quote it later.) Jesus must have felt sad when he saw the scribes and Pharisees apply his Father’s Law in a wrong way, making it seem unreasonable. He said to them: “You give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin,” meaning that they were very careful to obey the smallest details of the Law. So, what was the problem? Jesus explained: “But you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness.” (Matthew 23:23) The Pharisees did not see the meaning of the Law, and they thought they were better than others. But Jesus understood the motive behind the Law and what each commandment revealed about Jehovah.

As Christians, we are not required to obey the Law of Moses. (Romans 7:6) So why did Jehovah include the Law in his Word, the Bible? He wants us to understand and apply its “weightier matters,” in other words, the principles behind the Law. I could go further into this, but we're no longer talking "milk" here (Heb 5:13,14).

Matthew 23:23,24

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier* [Or “more important.”] matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness.* [Or “faith.”] These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!

Phil. 1:8-11

8 For God is my witness of how I am longing for all of you with such tender affection as Christ Jesus has. 9 And this is what I continue praying, that your love may abound still more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment; 10 that you may make sure of the more important things,+ so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others up to the day of Christ; 11 and that you may be filled with righteous fruit, which is through Jesus Christ, to God’s glory and praise.

+ : Romans 12:2
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

2 And stop being molded by this system of things,* [Or “this age.”] but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

“Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;” “We have much to say about him, and it is difficult to explain, because you have become dull in your hearing. For although by now* [Lit., “in view of the time.”] you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment* [Or “their perceptive powers.”] trained to distinguish both right and wrong.” (Col 2:8; Hebrews 5:11-14)

It takes practice to distinguish right from wrong (also true from false, certain/factual/correct, without error from incorrect, fact from fiction). The clear waters of truth from filth/crap/excrement. The more you practice and train, the better you get at it. No, I'm not saying I'm an expert nor "mature" in the sense it is applied there. The apostle Paul was pretty 'mature' though. Jesus even more, and Jehovah in the ultimate sense. So a person using their words, teachings and instructions, is on the right track. Of course as mentioned before in my response to Cooperton about God's Word being like a sword, the sword of the spirit, that takes practice as well. And again, I do not recon myself to be particularly good at it, but that's why I'm practicing in the first place. Some people claiming to be Christians don't even do that, they hardly ever quote the Bible on a matter. And those few times they do, they demonstrate a lack of understanding (often by not noticing or understanding the context). Not their fault of course, someone has been working hard to prevent them from noticing or understanding. There's someone out there who prefers people to be fools, more easy to manipulate and deceive. Hence the popularity of the notion that an "accurate knowledge of truth" (2 Timothy 3:7), and truly understanding this truth, making sure/certain of it, is something that cannot be achieved (as described in South Park's Agnostic Code, as if you can't be certain of anything, so what's the point in even trying; I think it was this thread where I linked an article about Pilate's question to Jesus: "What is truth?" As if to say, 'who can even know that, especially someone like you talking about God and religious matters.' The footnote in the article says: According to Bible scholar R. C. H. Lenski, Pilate’s “tone is that of an indifferent worldling who by his question intends to say that anything in the nature of religious truth is a useless speculation.”).

originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: Degradation33

When the devil was speaking through Peter it was merely him trying to get Jesus not to go through with the crucifixion, which he knew would inevitably dethrone him. Anyone acting against truth could be considered to be an agent of the adversary in ways that they don't even know. Agent smith in the matrix is a great depiction of this phenomenon.

I think you are confused even about Peter and the devil. First of all, is the devil real? Is Jesus real?

If we assume Peter was a historical person he doesn't seem to have been possessed according to the scripts.

a reply to: whereislogic

You can't honestly expect anyone to read all of those bible scriptures.... they do not mean anything, it's all preached from the perspective of false authority/knowledge. None of that nonsense is relevant- it belongs in the category of literary fiction. The apostle paul was not a real person who existed- he was a character in a story. In fact, all 12 apostles are fictional- characters who never actually existed. We know nothing about them, no one is even sure of their names; the gospels list a collection of more than twenty names for the twelve apostles. Bartholomew sometimes is referred to as nathanael, matthew shows up as levi and jude is interchanged with thaddeus, lebbaeus, or daddaeus, etc..

If the apostles were actual historical figures, with such detrimental roles in the beginning and growth of the church- it seems impossible to have so much confusion over the simple question of who they were. The gospels don't say anything about seven apostles- they are just names on a list. All 12 wrote nothing, had nothing written for them or about them, wrote no eye-witness statements, left no sermons, no memoirs, no letters, no teachings.... nothing. Don't you find that curious? All that we know about the 12 apostles are conflicting legends and fantasy stories from a later date. There is zero corroborating evidence for the existence of the twelve apostles. Even if they had been written by historical people in the stories- the gospels were originally anonymous and remained so until the second century when the church decided to attribute the gospels to who *they personally thought wrote them*.

Carl Sagan has little to nothing to offer in terms of "beneficial teaching" (2 Timothy 4:3,4) from the Bible (from Jehovah.

You don't know sh*t about Carl Sagan. I have to assume that you lack the attention span just to watch his Cosmos series- let alone read one of his books. 'The Demon-Haunted World' by Carl Sagan would be an absolutely excellent book for you to study.

a reply to: whereislogic

Taoism is part of Babylon the Great/false religion. Satan's #1 tool of manipulating and deceiving mankind (scientism included).

So Taoism is a false religion. Devil's plan to deceive humanity.

The same could he said about all other religions apart from Christianity, the only true religion.

I am impressed with these arguments as convenient as they are serving a purpose of confirmation bias.

a reply to: cooperton

People can think differently than you and you don't have to call them crazed. As I've said elsewhere, people can believe whatever they want. I don't call people dumb or stupid for thinking differently than me, that is a fast track to dogmatism. My defense of the words of Christ and Judeo-Christian history is against the worldly secular ideology, which is why you consider it "bad".

Really? Then maybe you should be saying that to WhereIsLogic too, he's the one calling people the Devil or working for him?? He's the one clumping world famous scientists into a group and calling them charlatans because he believes his bible tells him to, in my my opinion thats a zealot.

a reply to: whereislogic

Thank you for accurately weighing & dividing the word of truth!

Although you've come in for a lot of criticism from people who don't have an internal understanding of Christianity (those who view themselves as wise in the eyes of the world), you've actually done an excellent job of laying out the scriptural truths which apply to the matter at hand.

I was pleasantly surprised to see how many replies this thread has garnered (383 so far). As you yourself noted, even if an abundance of folk don't pick up on the message being placed before them, it will at least benefit some, and that is all we can hope & pray for.

I maintain what I contended for in the OP - that we are going to see miracles up ahead, events that will make foolish the wisdom of the wise, because it will be seen that for all their supposed wisdom, they are truly wide of the mark when it comes to understanding the way in which God has instituted spiritual truth in relation to the heart & activities of Mankind.

The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, after all.

Thanks for your continuing contributions!

a reply to: whereislogic

You keep mentioning Jehovah, do you even know where the name comes from? I'll give you a clue, look up Yaweh...
He was a thunder god just like the Sumerian Iškur, the Egyptian Set, even the Norse God Thor.

In Sumerian texts Enki distributed the destinies, he made Iškur inspector of the cosmos. Iškur is proclaimed again and again as "great radiant bull, your name is heaven" and sometimes called son of Anu, lord of Karkara; twin-brother of Enki, the lord who rides the storm, and lion of heaven. Very similar to how God is described, wouldn't you say??

In older Jewish biblical literature, Yaweh possesses attributes associated to weather and war Gods, fructifying the land and leading the heavenly army against Israel's enemies. The early Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of other Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal. Later centuries, El and Yahweh became conflated and El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone, and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into Yahwist religion.
And there is how God was born.

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

All good... Happens to everyone.

I found that when I activate that extra bit of processing power I could make sense or I would just ask for clarification.

But that's just me being honest when i don't know or understand and I'm also not running on max already and having that extra processing power available...
You'll get there I'm sure, just keep updating.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: whereislogic

Thank you for accurately weighing & dividing the word of truth!

Although you've come in for a lot of criticism from people who don't have an internal understanding of Christianity (those who view themselves as wise in the eyes of the world), you've actually done an excellent job of laying out the scriptural truths which apply to the matter at hand.

I was pleasantly surprised to see how many replies this thread has garnered (383 so far). As you yourself noted, even if an abundance of folk don't pick up on the message being placed before them, it will at least benefit some, and that is all we can hope & pray for.

I maintain what I contended for in the OP - that we are going to see miracles up ahead, events that will make foolish the wisdom of the wise, because it will be seen that for all their supposed wisdom, they are truly wide of the mark when it comes to understanding the way in which God has instituted spiritual truth in relation to the heart & activities of Mankind.

The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, after all.

Thanks for your continuing contributions!

What word of truth??
It's just religious apology and dogma in the name of creationism.

Many understand Christianity to be a conspiracy theory where the central character of the religion is crucified and then ressurected from the dead. Copy pasting other order stories where the mother of the hero is virgin and the ressurection is the the objective and outcome of the powers that helped the miracle performer gain his position in eternity.

a reply to: whereislogic

All of this is well and true to an extent. It seems to me that you left out the real crux of it all. And you'll know what I'm referring to right away when reading the following text:


Therefore, resolve in your hearts not to rehearse beforehand how to make your defense, for I will give you words and wisdom that all your opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute."-Luke 21:14-15.

What I have come to learn over the years is that reliance on God's holy spirit is more important that knowledge. True, knowledge is needed to respond. And that knowledge does come from God's word, so study and meditation, daily, on God's word is necessary, in a spirit of humility and honesty.

And it has been my case personally many times over the years, that as I study God's spirit will guide me to study a subject beforehand to prepare me for a conversation, sometimes that very same day, or the next day on subjects I beforehand was not familiar with. And at other times his spirit can recall to mind scriptures that answer questions instantly that may have been sitting somewhere in the subconscious until the holy spirit decides it needs you to remember it. But all of it is the operation of God's power upon his servants.

I can give you many examples where this has been the case for me. I wasn't going to add an example but I will. I remember when I was back in my early 20's and working customer service I sat in a cubical next to a Mormon. Well that previous night I had been reading through a book on Ezekiel, you know it very well I have no doubt, The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah How? Although the information on the two sticks is clarified in the Pure Worship book here the understanding was still clear. The Mormon the next day told me he would show me how the Bible foretold the Mormon Church and referred me to the prophecy on the two sticks being joined together. Now before the night previous I hadn't even paid attention to this prophecy, if I had read through it in my previous Bible reading, it didn't really register in my mind. But the night previous to this Mormon showing me this scripture I had been lead by holy spirit to study the prophecy. And I immediately, being directed by holy spirit knew how to respond to the Mormon, explaining the fulfillment was when the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah and Benjamin was reunited with the 10-tribe kingdom after the repatriation fo the Jews from Babylon in 537 B. C. E. And that by the first century in Jerusalem when holy spirit filled the upper room and anointed those 120 Jews that prophecy had already been fulfilled and not in the Church of Mormon.

Just another example that comes to mind. At that same place of work there was a group of sincere Bible readers that gathered together once in awhile at lunch and read the Bible together. Well one afternoon after lunch I approached Darlene's desk, she is the one that directed the group. And we got into a conversation and then for some reason I asked her if she understood the prophecy about the 10 men of the nations that would grab a hold of the skirt of a Jew. And she said she did not and asked me if I understood the prophecy. So I explained it to her and she looked amazed and I asked her why she was looking at me that way. She said that very lunchtime they were reading that prophecy and no one knew what it meant and she had prayed about the matter for understanding right before I came to her and told her.

I could actually do this all day. But what I have learned from personal experience, is that our Bible study, and our preaching work, and our explaining of Bible truths is oft directed by the angels and God's holy spirit. And we are able to do so not of our own merit, so all the glory and honor and merit is Jehovah's. The people who are blessed to listen to a servant of Jehovah witness to them should recognize the privilege they have, and heed the message they are listening to. For it is directed by holy spirit and angels. And they should heed the word they are being given when a servant of Jehovah speaks to them.

When we think we are not being directed by holy spirit to cite or state a certain scripture at a particular time, the reader, or the person listening may well discern that God's holy spirit has been directing the matter. This happens all the time among God's servants, both among each other, and as they teach truth to others.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I found this was a very good account of our reality, most of it is no different to the thousands of testimony's from people who died and returned.

She recounts seeing the future .. it could only be described as the tribulations, she was so horrified that she was traumatised and asked for the images to stop .. she said she wished she had stayed with it, because she didn't know how it ended.

One of the more lucid recollections out of the 10s of thousands of people who experience it.

a reply to: whereislogic

Taoism is part of Babylon the Great/false religion. Satan's #1 tool of manipulating and deceiving mankind (scientism included).

I understand you are unaware of and find it difficult to believe in the existence of Satan, and therefore are a bit reluctant to analyze his tactics and activities, or his influence on men and their resulting tactics and activities.

Why live in fear of a histrionic self-immolation prone little bitch though? What's the devil going to do, walk out in protest of not getting its way?

The essence of that Satan is a spoiled rich girl.

Just tell it, "Not getting your way, Satan."



But you mean the Satan that seeks to undermine God's word, I suspect. The one destroying the good nature of people. I think that love destroying Satan laughs every time someone calls the compassion and wisdom of Lao Tzu "evil". That Satan loves the ignorance to tear the world apart.

That's really deceptive. That calling pure compassion, love, patience, and passivity "evil" for no good reason. That's like a Religion hybrid with Fascism because they don't use the correct words to describe their love.

Certainly not love anymore, unless it's love in a very specific terminology that loses the essence entirely.

Scary in any case.

originally posted by: randomuser2034
a reply to: whereislogic

All of this is well and true to an extent. It seems to me that you left out the real crux of it all. And you'll know what I'm referring to right away when reading the following text:


Therefore, resolve in your hearts not to rehearse beforehand how to make your defense, for I will give you words and wisdom that all your opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute."-Luke 21:14-15.

I can't exactly bring that up in all my comments. It's also difficult to chew on for most here cause that information isn't exactly "milk" as the term is used at Heb 5:11-14. I do occasionally credit these teachings to Jehovah, all the teachings from the Bible that I'm using or highlighting, as I did by quoting 2 Tim 3:16,17 in the comment you were responding to. And by saying this in my next comment:

No, I'm not saying I'm an expert nor "mature" in the sense it is applied there. The apostle Paul was pretty 'mature' though. Jesus even more, and Jehovah in the ultimate sense. So a person using their words, teachings and instructions, is on the right track.

I also quoted the line at Phil. 1:11:

... to God’s glory and praise.

I also occasionally quote 2 Corinthians 4:3-9 which I recently did in another thread, verse 7 says:

7 However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us.

Same idea as Luke 21:14,15. Slightly less specific. Talking about "the glorious good news about the Christ" and God's Kingdom with Christ as king, i.e. spiritual "light", in general. And how Christians declare that good news that "is veiled among those who are perishing" (all quoted from 2 Cor 4:3-9).

On another note, I'm not sure why, but for some reason, I'm stuck with this song in my head this morning:

It's weird, cause I actually prefer this one ( I think it's my favorite, put it 1st in my Bob Marley playlist). Just to clarify, when I hear the line "Give us the teachings of his Majesty", I hear "Give us the teachings of the king of God's kingdom, Jesus Christ" (I think it was this thread where I said something about what I hear when I hear Bob Marley use the term "his Majesty", or "Jah" for that matter, which for me refers to the name "Jah" as used in the Bible as a shortened version of the name "Jehovah"):

This is the 2nd one, also pretty good (I particularly like the tune in that one, for the above one it's more the lyrics):

It has some symbols or drawings in it that I'm not too fond of, but I just filter those out in my mind.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: whereislogic

...
I was pleasantly surprised to see how many replies this thread has garnered (383 so far).

Yeah, it's a pretty good thread title. It allows me to talk exactly about what I consider the most important topic of this day: the coming of God's kingdom (technically, it's already in place and ruling in heaven, but its rule still has to start on earth on a global scale, ruling over all mankind, and not just a few million Christians for whom Luke 6:46 doesn't apply).

Luke 6:46 (Jesus speaking):

“Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?”

Matthew 7:21

21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. [notice that Jesus is saying this while on earth, talking about his Father, who at the time, "is [present tense] in the heavens"; clearly talking about someone else who is somewhere else. Just a reminder for the Trinitarians or Binitarians out there. Or anyone who thinks or has been taught that Jesus is Jehovah God.]

Romans 2:13

13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.

James 1:22

22 However, become doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.

Like these examples of false reasoning (immediately corrected in the video, so I'm only referring to the type of reasoning that is being corrected, not the correction itself):


In the video below they don't really get into much of the false reasoning behind these doctrines and beliefs, but at least it addresses a number of false beliefs (doctrines). One of the first is the doctrine that "Jesus is God incarnate":

And just a bonus video cause someone shared some misinformation concerning the name "Jehovah", it also talks about "Jah" being used in the Bible as short for "Jehovah", as well as the meaning of the term hallelujah (which many Bible translations will not translate when it's used in the Christian Greek Scriptures a.k.a. the New Testament, yet they translate it as "Praise the LORD" or "Praise the Lord" in the Hebrew Scriptures, that's also not an entirely correct translation, only translating half, and then using a substitute for "Jah"; almost as if they don't what their readers to know they should be praising Jah, i.e. Jehovah; as the video below puts it rather funnily: "naughty, naughty"):

Can't resist, a couple more on the subject (again correcting some false reasoning on the matter, along with some misinformation):

a reply to: Degradation33

There's no need to respond to my comments if you're not going to answer the question I asked you.

In a respectful and reasonable 2-way conversation one answers a question that was asked of them, especially if it's only just the one and wasn't rhetorical. (unlike your latest questions which were rhetorical and you clearly didn't want an answer, nor was your reason for responding to me an attempt to have a reasonable respectful 2-way conversation)

If you do not want to have a conversation and are only interested in discrediting what I (or rather Jehovah when I'm quoting from the Bible) have to say by means of ridicule, what's the point in responding? You only end up preaching to your choir, trying to 'tickle their ears' as described at 2 Tim 4:3,4 (perhaps in the hope of getting some more stars than otherwise). Not only is it a giant waste of your and everyone who reads your comments time (and space on ATS, of course, plenty of that left), the attitude accompanied by it stops any potential for a reasonable conversation dead in its tracks. Not to mention the demonstration of the Bible texts I've been quoting (so at least for that I'm thankful for underscoring those points and providing evidence for the accuracy of the Bible in describing human behaviour and attitudes).

In case your being 'dull in your hearing' (Heb 5:11) and 'unwillingness to put up with beneficial teaching' (2 Tim 4:3,4) caused you to fail to notice the question, it's just before I quoted:

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare* [“We do not wage warfare.” Lit., “we are not doing military service.” ...; Lat., non . . . mi·li·ta'mus.] according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God;” (2 Cor 10:3-5)

Just in case you wanna have another go at attempting to have an actual conversation. (the comment is on page 19, second-to-last comment)

For everyone else...(apart from those who don't wanna hear it and prefer echo chambers or people 'tickling their ears' "according to their desires", i.e. telling them what they want to hear; you can see in my star to comment ratio that most of the time I'm doing the opposite, telling things people don't want to hear, "will not put up with" even sometimes)

Ridicule (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

The act of belittling or exposing to contempt, derision, or mockery. There are a number of Hebrew and Greek words that express varying degrees of ridicule, the choice of word depending on circumstances. We therefore read in the Bible of persons that mock, deride, sneer, scoff, jeer, laugh at, or make fun of others.

Ridiculers are, in general, detestable to others. (Pr 24:9) If such do not accept reproof, they will experience disaster. (Pr 1:22-27) ... Ridiculers often refuse to listen to rebuke (Pr 13:1) and do not love those reproving them. (Pr 9:7, 8; 15:12) Nevertheless, they should be disciplined for the benefit of others. (Pr 9:12; 19:25, 29; 21:11) Instead of keeping company with such unholy ones, it is better to drive them away; much happier are those who refuse to sit with ungodly ridiculers.​—Ps 1:1; Pr 22:10.

Ridicule Against God’s Servants. Unjustified ridicule of every sort is suffered by faithful servants of Jehovah. Job was falsely accused of deriding others (Job 11:3), whereas, in reality, he was the one derided, mocked, and made a laughingstock for his course of integrity. (Job 12:4; 17:2; 21:3) David was derided and mocked. (Ps 22:7; 35:16) Likewise, Elisha (2Ki 2:23), Nehemiah and those associated with him (Ne 2:19; 4:1), and many others “received their trial by mockings” (Heb 11:36). When King Hezekiah of Judah sent runners throughout cities of Ephraim and Manasseh, urging them to come to Jerusalem and celebrate the Passover, many individuals mocked and derided the messengers. (2Ch 30:1, 10) This, in fact, was the way apostates of both houses of Israel treated God’s prophets and messengers until the rage of Jehovah swept them all away.​—2Ch 36:15, 16.

Ridiculing Jesus and his disciples. As God’s Servant and Prophet, Jesus Christ was sneered at, laughed at, made fun of, treated insolently, even spit upon, during his ministry on earth. (Mr 5:40; Lu 16:14; 18:32) The Jewish priests and rulers were especially hateful in their derision. (Mt 27:41; Mr 15:29-31; Lu 23:11, 35) The Roman soldiers joined in the mockery when he was delivered up to them.​—Mt 27:27-31; Mr 15:20; Lu 22:63; 23:36.

The disciples of Jesus Christ were likewise mocked by the uninformed and by unbelievers. (Ac 2:13; 17:32) The apostle Paul, speaking of the derision suffered by his fellow disciples at the hands of the Jews, points back to the prophetic picture of ancient times, in which Isaac, at the age of about five years, was derided by his 19-year-old half brother Ishmael, who, in jealousy, was “poking fun” at (“mocking,” KJ, Yg) Isaac. (Ge 21:9) Paul gives the prophetic application, saying: “Now we, brothers, are children belonging to the promise the same as Isaac was. But just as then the one born in the manner of flesh began persecuting the one born in the manner of spirit [God having intervened to bring about Isaac’s birth], so also now.” (Ga 4:28, 29) Later Paul writes: “In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.”​—2Ti 3:12.

Enduring ridicule with the proper viewpoint. Jesus Christ knew all along that he would face ridicule and that it would culminate in his being put to death. But he recognized that the reproaches were actually against Jehovah, whom he represented, and this was all the more painful to him, for he ‘always did the things pleasing to his Father’ (Joh 8:29), and he was more concerned with the sanctification of his Father’s name than with anything else. (Mt 6:9) ...

At one point in his career, Jeremiah the prophet of God said, “I became an object of laughter all day long; everyone is holding me in derision.” Momentarily he weakened and considered stopping his prophetic work because of the unceasing reproach and jeering. But he recognized that it was “for the word of Jehovah” that the derision came, and God’s word in his heart proved to be like a burning fire that he could not endure to hold in. For his faithfulness Jehovah was with him “like a terrible mighty one,” and Jeremiah was strengthened to keep on loyally.​—Jer 20:7-11.

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Justifiable Ridicule. Ridicule may be deserved and well justified. A person who does not exercise foresight or who neglects good counsel may take a foolish course that makes him the object of ridicule. Jesus gave an example of such a man, who started to build a tower without first counting the cost. (Lu 14:28-30) Jehovah set Israel “as a reproach to [her] neighbors, a derision and jeering to those all around” her, justly so, because of her own waywardness and disobedience to God, even to the point of bringing reproach upon God’s name among the nations. (Ps 44:13; 79:4; 80:6; Eze 22:4, 5; 23:32; 36:4, 21, 22) The prophet Elijah appropriately mocked the priests of Baal for their defiance of Jehovah. (1Ki 18:26, 27) After Sennacherib had taunted and spoken of Jehovah abusively before King Hezekiah and the people of Jerusalem, the tables were turned; ridicule, derision, reproach, and ignominious defeat fell upon this haughty Assyrian king and his army. (2Ki 19:20, 21; Isa 37:21, 22) In a similar manner Moab became an object of ridicule. (Jer 48:25-27, 39) The nations of earth have gone to the extreme in ridiculing God, but Jehovah laughs at them and holds them in derision for their impudent resistance to his universal sovereignty, as they reap the bad fruitage of their course.​—Ps 2:2-4; 59:8; Pr 1:26; 3:34.

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Case in point for the last one, the many mass shootings in the US (been talking a lot about that lately on ATS).

And just a bonus video cause someone shared some misinformation concerning the name Jehovah

It wasn't misinformation as you claim, you just need to accept the truth!
You only have to look up Yahweh with open eyes and not as blinkered and indoctrinated as you are.

From your friend 'The Devil'!!

The Masoretes, who from about the 6th to the 10th century CE worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, added to “YHWH” the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai or Elohim. Latin-speaking Christian scholars replaced the Y (which does not exist in Latin) with an I or a J (the latter of which exists in Latin as a variant form of I). Thus, the tetragrammaton became the artificial Latinized name Jehovah (JeHoWaH). As the use of the name spread throughout medieval Europe, the initial letter J was pronounced according to the local vernacular language rather than Latin.

a reply to: Kurokage

Interesting.
Do you have a link to the original source for that?
Thanks.

I have this.
Got Questions

The vast majority of Jewish and Christian biblical scholars and linguists do not believe “Jehovah” to be the proper pronunciation of YHWH. There was no true J sound in ancient Hebrew. Even the Hebrew letter vav, which is transliterated as the W in YHWH is said to have originally had a pronunciation closer to W than the V of Jehovah. Jehovah is essentially a Germanic pronunciation of the Latinized transliteration of the Hebrew YHWH. It is the letters of the tetragrammaton, Latinized into JHVH, with vowels inserted. “Yahweh” or “Yehowah” is far more likely to be the correct pronunciation.

Other interesting note. Apologeticpress 44

The personal name of God in the Hebrew Bible is יהוה (YHWH). Occurring over 6,800 times in the Old Testament, this name is by far the most common way of referring to God

Jehovah is only used like one time. Yhwh is used 6,800 times. So it's really perplexing why the Jehovahs Witness' cling to 'Jehovah' when it's a relatively newly invented name for God and it is by far NOT the one that was most used in the Old Testament.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The devil never spoke through Peter. Peter was never possessed. That's some pretty bad theology you've got going there. Jesus said 'get thee behind me Satan' ... he was making a point that Peter was saying something against Christ's mission on Earth, and was not saying that Peter was possessed.

Got Questions

Is gotquestions.org your new catechism? Lol.

Satan was speaking through Peter, trying to get Jesus to not go through with the crucifixion. That's the most straight-forward interpretation of what was happening.

Are you trying to make the case that Jesus incorrectly identified Satan as being the influence of Peter's words?

originally posted by: cooperton
Is gotquestions.org your new catechism? Lol.

No. It's a quick link for you to go to in order to educate yourself.

I never said Peter was possessed. ... Satan was speaking through Peter,

You just did it again.

In order for Satan to be 'speaking through' Peter, Peter would have to be possessed. He was not. When Jesus said 'get thee behind me Satan', he was not saying that Peter was possessed of Satan. He was saying that Peter was doing what the devil would like, interfering with His mission to save humanity.

Basic theology. You aren't saying it right.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
You just did it again.

In order for Satan to be 'speaking through' Peter, Peter would have to be possessed. He was not. When Jesus said 'get thee behind me Satan', he was not saying that Peter was possessed of Satan. He was saying that Peter was doing what the devil would like, interfering with His mission to save humanity.

Basic theology. You aren't saying it right.

You just referenced gotquestions.org for your theology, you have no room to talk. Whatever spite you have towards me you should just drop it.. I have no problem with you.