Saudi Arabia warns Israel of 'very serious repercussions' if ground invasion of Rafah proceeds

To be fair we must have the history of what has happened here. and the only truth there is is that there is an illegal occupation of a state that did not exist 76 years ago, nor did it have territory.
It is not Palestine's fault that the Jewish people have been persecuted and expelled for hundreds of years, to be expelled from their homes, to be forcibly given a place to Israel.
By the way, when Israel was interested, it financed Hamas to overthrow the previous Palestinian government of Fatah... it reminds me of another old story but it is irrelevant.

To give this opinion about a refugee population that survives on foreign aid, supporting the oppressor that invades and expels them for decades, is mean to say the least, it shows a lack of empathy and historical knowledge, you only repeat inherited biases

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Massive proof has been given. You are a rape denier.
Mass rape and sexual mutilation of Jews is just fine with you.

You have no idea what the word "proof" means. You've been using it wrong in all your posts. If you are doing this on purpose, you are not any different than hamas, who is literally doing the same. Your so called "proofs" are merely theories and evidences at best. Theories like "40 beheaded babies" and "mass rapes". Your testimonies are literally called lowest forms of evidence. If you claim mass rapes happened, feel free to share semen samples and dna records. No, instead of doing any of that you keep your "evidence" to yourself and refuse to share it with the world. In other words, others have no ways to verify your evidences and you insist they should believe you not based on facts but based on mere claims and theories. Sorry, world doesn't work that way.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Doctors and eyewitnesses and coroners and forensics from dead bodies are 'verification'. And I"m an American Irish Catholic so no ... the Jews are not 'my own people'.

Forensics coming from unnamed doctors about unnamed victims and unnamed attackers are not even close to being proof, my "catholic" friend who is seemingly more interested in jew laws, their history and religion than his own. Not to mention seemingly all of those threads you are creating are about jews and are based on claims of jewish media, israel's official army and their intelligence service.

a reply to: gortex

Looks like Israel's final solution for Gaza and its people approaches.

Who knew Hamas would be able to lure us all into a massive trap? Kodos to them, I guess?

Erdogan visited Egypt after ten years of silence, even the Saudis took up diplomatic relations with Iran over this. It's like watching a cargo train crashing in slow-motion, after it got hijacked by a bunch of apes with Likud armbinders over their eyes.

Happening today.

Footage from inside the hospital showed medical personnel scrambling to tend to patients amid debris and the sound of gunfire. Another clip uploaded by Khaled al-Serr, a surgeon at the hospital, showed the aftermath of what claimed was tank fire on the facility damaging the medical complex.

Oops, I forgot 🫤

So this is where the Jew haters went to. . . .

a reply to: FlyersFan

I guess we can wait on the International Court of Justice to determine whether it is genocide or not

Keir Starmer in full panic mode has today called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza after the Scottish Labour party voted for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza yesterday , yesterdays vote coupled with the English Labour party members breaking ranks with the party line shows the widening gulf between Starmer's towing of Israel's line and that of the Labour party rank and file who've wanted him to call for a ceasefire for months.


Run rabbit run.

a reply to: gortex

He's a fully paid up member of WEF (as is Sunak), majority of Labour party MP's aren't.
He's starting to look like a limp wet biscuit with a dash of 'Biden confussion' floundering around wondering if he's still leader of the opposition.
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originally posted by: bigyin
I guess we can wait on the International Court of Justice to determine whether it is genocide or not

- They already had a ruling and they ruled in Israels favor.

- No matter what the ICC says, Israel doesn't have to listen to them anyways.

a reply to: FlyersFan

26 resolutions that Israel has broken
Israel, in its lack of will and respect for these resolutions, joins those of the UN Human Rights Commission.
Israel is the only country that to date has never presented the limits of its borders, as required by the United Nations to incorporate a member country according to resolution 242.

Below are the resolutions not complied with by Israel:

Resolution 181/11, November 29, 1947: Specified the partition of Palestine into two States: one Arab Palestinian with 45 percent and another Jewish with 55 percent; Jerusalem becoming internationalized and located within the Palestinian State Annex 5.

Resolution 194, December 11, 1948: Resolved the return of Palestinian refugees to their homes and lands, and those who chose not to return should be compensated.

Resolution 303, December 9, 1949: The city of Jerusalem would be established as a separate body under the special international regime and would be administered by the United Nations. The Council would be appointed to delineate the responsibilities of the current authority.

Resolution 114 C.S., December 20, 1949: Concerned with the transfer to Jerusalem of some ministries and public departments of the Government of Israel, he considered that the attitude of the Government of Israel would generate difficulties for the implementation of the status of Jerusalem.

Resolution 2253 ES-V, July 4, 1967: Rejected Israeli military expansion during the June 5, 1967 war and demanded withdrawal from occupied Arab territories, including occupied Jerusalem. He urged Israel to revoke all measures adopted and desist from taking any action that would alter the status of Jerusalem.

Resolution 2254, July 14, 1967: Observed with deep regret and concern Israel's non-compliance with resolution 2253 ES~V... Reiterated its request to Israel to rescind all measures adopted and immediately desist from taking any action that would alter the status of Jerusalem.

C.S. Resolution 242, November 22, 1967: Demanded Israel's military withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories to Palestine including East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights of Syria, and the Sinai of Egypt. It required Israel to establish its international borders.

Resolution 2628, November 4, 1970: Recognized that the rights of the Palestinians were an indispensable element for the establishment of a just and lasting peace.

Resolution 2649, November 30, 1970: Condemned Governments that denied the self-determination of the peoples to whom this right was recognized, especially the peoples of Southern Africa and Palestine.

Resolution 2851. December 20, 1971: Strongly called on Israel to immediately rescind all measures and desist from all decisions and practices such as annexation of any of the occupied Arab territories... establishment of Israeli settlements... demolition of villas, neighborhoods, houses, expropriation of property... transfers, deportation and expulsions from occupied territories... denial of refugee rights... ill-treatment and torture of prisoners... collective punishment.

Resolution 338, October 23, 1973: Urged Israel to comply with resolution 242 and reiterated the demand for its military withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including East Jerusalem.

Resolution 3070, November 30, 1973: It also reaffirmed the legitimacy of the people's struggle to free themselves from foreign colonial domination and foreign subjugation by all possible means, including armed struggle.

Resolution 3236, November 2, 1974: Reaffirmed the inalienable right of the Palestinian people, the right to their independence and sovereignty, and the right of return; and established contacts with the Palestine Liberation Organization, for matters concerning the Palestinian Question.

Resolution 3237. November 22, 1974: The Palestine Liberation Organization was recognized as the sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people and was invited to take part in the sessions and the General Assembly, as a permanent observer.

Resolution 3379, November 10, 1975: Zionism was condemned as a form of racism and racial discrimination (it was repealed in January 1991, without foundation and due to demands from the United States).

Resolution 32/40-B, December 2, 1977: November 29, the day of the partition of Palestine, was established as "International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People."

Resolution 36/15, October 28, 1981: Called on Israel to immediately suspend all excavations and transformations of historical, cultural and religious sites in Jerusalem; particularly in the surroundings of the Muslim Holy Shrine of Al Haram Al Sharif, whose structure was in danger of collapsing.

Resolution 38/180 D, December 19, 1983: Reaffirmed the sovereign rights and national resources of the occupied Palestinian territories and the occupied Arab territories (Syria and Lebanon). It declared once again that peace in the Middle East was indivisible... under the auspices of the United Nations, which would guarantee the complete and unconditional withdrawal of Israel from the occupied Palestinian territories and other occupied Arab territories including occupied East Jerusalem.

Resolution 43/177, December 15, 1988: Took note of the Declaration of Proclamation of the State of Palestine, issued by the Palestinian National Council on November 15, 1988. Decided to replace the name of the Palestine Liberation Organization with that of Palestine in the UN system.

C.S. Resolution 904, March 18, 1994: Strongly condemned the massacre of Palestinian civilians in Hebron (referring to the massacre of 63 Palestinian civilians while praying in the Ibrahim Mosque).

Resolution 50/22, December 4, 1995: Determined that Israel's decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction, and administration of the Holy City of Jerusalem was illegal, therefore null and void... Deplored the decision of some states to transfer their diplomatic missions to Jerusalem in violation of Security Council resolution 478.

Resolution 51/223, March 14, 1997: Called on Israel to stop settlements in the Palestinian territories, especially in occupied East Jerusalem.

Resolution ES-10/2, May 5, 1997: Called on Israel to end settlements in occupied East Jerusalem and the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention Relating to the Protection of Civilians in Time of War. It reaffirmed that all Israeli settlements in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 (Palestine and Syria) are illegal and an obstacle to peace.

Resolution ES-10/3, July 30, 1997: Taking into account knowledge that the Government of Israel had not given up building the new settlement of Jabal Abu Ghenein... the construction of the road confiscating adjacent (Palestinian) lands.. It condemned the fact that the Government of Israel had not heeded resolution ES-10/2... It demanded that Israel, the Occupying Power, immediately cease and cancel all activities.

Resolution E/CN.4/RES/2001/2 C.D.H: April 5, 2001: Reaffirming the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and the provisions of the relative international covenants and instruments to the right to self-determination as an international principle and as a right of all the peoples of the world, which is a peremptory norm (jus cogens) of International Law, and a fundamental condition for achieving a just, lasting and complete peace in the Middle East region.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

And this one too....

Resolution E/CN.4/2001/L.31C.D.H :: April 11, 2001: Aware that Israel is a party to the Geneva Convention Relating to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, August 12, 1949, which is applicable to the Palestinian territory and all Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including East Jerusalem.

Only 26 unfulfilled resolutions.

why does nobody call for HAMAS to surrender? wouldn't that end the war?

 No matter what the ICC says, Israel doesn't have to listen to them anyways.

Of course, it doesn't matter what they say to Israel, it is simply supported by the US, a country with the right to veto any resolution at the UN.

Biden already said it in his day, if Israel did not exist they would have to invent it, it is their best investment of 3 trillion dollars to defend their interests in the Middle East.

How little importance, transcendence and little relevance these points have to see which side the balance is on, right?

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a reply to: network dude

In none of those resolutions broken by Israel was Hamas in control of Palestine. What are you talking about?

originally posted by: network dude
why does nobody call for HAMAS to surrender? wouldn't that end the war?

Israel doesn't want the war to end.

It is complete disrespect from Israel, a State that, more than any other, owes its very existence to a General Assembly resolution, to show complete disregard for United Nations resolutions.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: network dude

In none of those resolutions broken by Israel was Hamas in control of Palestine. What are you talking about?

I'm living in the now. Currently HAMAS has attacked Israel, and taken hostages. Israel has stated the reason for the war is to eliminate HAMAS. The war rages on. If HAMAS surrendered, the war would stop. If they did surrender, and the war didn't stop, Israel would appear to be what those who hate them claim they are. Why not put the pressure on them, by compelling HAMAS to surrender and put Israel on the spot. The worst that could happen is the war ends. It just seems like a logical step and makes a lot more sense then asking Israel to effectively surrender when they are winning.

a reply to: network dude

Hamas has repeatedly stated that no matter what they have no intention of stopping their attacks on Israel.
Their intention remains the same; the obliteration of the Israeli state, remove all Jews and non-Muslims from the region and form an Islamic fundamentalist country.

They would have released the hostages by now if they had any real intention of doing so.

The killing in Gaza can not continue but unless Hamas lays down its arms I am at a loss to think what Israel is supposed to do.
Any ceasefire at present would in reality be a unilateral cessation of hostilities and as soon as Hamas has the time and opportunity to regroup and rearm they will resume their attacks on Israel.

Only the most insensitive can deny that what is happening in Gaza at present is truly horrific and that far too many non-combatants are suffering but I've yet to hear a viable alternative option for Israel in light of Hamas's steadfast refusal to renounce violence and terrorism.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

Someone doesn't know how the UN works.

I didn't bother checking all of them since a clear pattern was emerging but a lot of those are UNGA votes, which are literally meaningless. They're non-binding and member states are not obliged to pay any attention to them. There's no such thing as being "in violation" of a UNGA vote.

Typical of Israel haters: don't know even the most basic facts about the issue you're so passionately copy/pasting # about.