So those who are feeding and clothing the invaders are

originally posted by: whereislogic

At least that's the scene I immediately was reminded of when I read his comment. On a related note concerning the topic of this thread:
Why do people who voted for Donald Trump allow themselves to be played (scammed) like that?

A big problem with society today is that people focus on one or two things at a level bordering and even crossing over into an OCD condition where they have excessive and prolonged rumination on a specific topic or situation.

Let me ask you, how many times a day, or in your life have you thought about your pronouns? Some people think about this all day long as their pronouns consume them and play a primary role in all their actions.

We can say the same thing about race where people are consumed by race being a factor in everything and assume everyone else is the same. A racist will think everyone else is a racist too, so the person screaming it the most is most likely the racist.

I have said before that people who do things are very suspicious of others for the same thing as they think everyone is the same like a person who cheats on their loved one thinks we all do it too.

The last thing on everyone's mind is fear of whiteness being darkened...lol give me a break. They don't see that flooding the country with people would be a disaster and cost crazy levels of money. We can't even take care of our homeless who would cost less. These big cities are screaming that the small trickle of illegals being too much to handle, and they could be right. Think about that small trickle turned into a big flow of them. Where do they go, how do they live, where do they earn money, what do we do when schools are overflowing more than they are? The country is not ready for that...

a reply to: whereislogic

Geez! You put a lot into your replies to me! Thnx. I agree w everything you've compiled to present. Thnx again, God Bless your day.....

MS

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Then perhaps you are interested in my latest commentary where I quoted the whole chapter of Ecclesiastes chapter 1 (written by the king and educator mentioned in my signature), in its proper context in relation to ATS. Here's my first comment in that thread, but don't miss the follow-up comments on the next page, where I will get to the meat of the matter (well, Jehovah, I, Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, Solomon, Paul and others; the latter ones just bringing up the important highlights of the first One mentioned there*) and the quotation of Eccl. chapter 1.

*: The One who said (Isaiah 48:17,18):

This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:

“I, Jehovah, am your God,

The One teaching you to benefit yourself,* [Or “for your own good.”]

The One guiding you in the way you should walk.

18 If only you would pay attention to my commandments!

Then your peace would become just like a river

And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Oh never mind, too damning for the ones in control here, they squashed it (removed it). Only leaving the first comment. I'll see if I can put it in my own thread, if they won't just do the same there. It'll take some time though, cause I'll have to work off a page I still had open.

Ah, it'll be tricky, cause I already used a lot of songs in that thread, it's going to be a bit repetitive. Not to mention that I will not be directly responding to the topic of the thread as I was doing in the other. Guess I'll have to find another nonsense thread talking craziness, mental poison, filth and all the things I brought up and elaborated on (shouldn't be hard). I don't think I have the patience to work out the lay-out though.

a reply to: whereislogic

Well, Lord have mercy brother! You've gone forth and spread to all the world! Nice job.✝️

a reply to: mysterioustranger

It's quite a joyful thing for me (or in general) when someone else sees what I'm seeing (or when speaking in general, when 2 or more people can see eye to eye). Hence the emphatic "Tru dat!" in my first response to you.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the whole of ATS could see eye to eye on something that is actually both true/certain/factual and important. Or better yet, the whole world. No more endless (and sometimes neurotic) bickering (usually with bad arguments, faulty reasoning, and the "host of bad results" referred to in the article/page about "understanding" from the book Aid to Bible Understanding; used in this thread on the previous page, my 2nd comment in this thread).

Like the positive message(s) and teachings in this song for example (also very easy to agree with, all you need to agree with it, is having your heart in the right place, and such truths bring great joy to the ones with understanding, see ending of my signature):

So what has Jehovah God provided us in that regards (note the bolded part below)? (now I'm talking to everyone in this thread, well, I guess I already was)

Revelation 22:1,2 (last chapter in the Bible):

And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.

You can pretty much count the song above as one of those figurative leaves. Now it's up to all of us individually (see Michael Jackson's song "Man In The Mirror") to do what's depicted at 4:10-4:30 (referring to the music video for "Heal the World" again), so that the healing can begin. Cause there is...

Especially in the Middle East right now. But let's not forget about our Ukrainian brothers (many of whom are now being kidnapped to force them to do military service and kill their brothers from Russia). We are all part of the same human family (which is how this information ties into this thread, so that one no longer needs to see immigrants as anything other than one's brothers and sisters; would you deny your brother or sister when they ask if they can come over for a better life? When they are hungry or in need of clothing? Does the land actually even belong to you, or God?).

War—Why? (Awake!—1986)

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Nationalism​—The “Sacred Egoism” That Divides

Sometimes the people are not in favor of a war. On what basis, then, can the rulers most easily persuade the population to support their aims? This was the problem that faced the United States in Vietnam. So, what did the ruling elite do? Galbraith answers: “The Vietnam War produced in the United States one of the most comprehensive efforts in social conditioning [adjusting of public opinion] in modern times. Nothing was spared in the attempt to make the war seem necessary and acceptable to the American public.” [whereislogic: that word, "necessary", you will run into again and again in all sorts of propaganda, pro-war, pro-guns, pro-military propaganda, pro-Trump's 'wall', pro-immigration laws, etc. Yet in reality/truth, NONE of these things are "necessary".] And that points to the handiest tool for softening up a nation for war. What is it?

Professor Galbraith again supplies the answer: “Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.” This systematic conditioning prevails in communist countries as it does in Western nations.

Charles Yost, a veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service and State Department, expressed it thus: “The primary cause of the insecurity of nations persists, the very attribute on which nations pride themselves most​—their sovereign independence, their ‘sacred egoism,’ their insubordination to any interest broader or higher than their own.” This “sacred egoism” is summed up in divisive nationalism, in the pernicious teaching that any one nation is superior to all others.

Historian Arnold Toynbee wrote: “The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism.” In Power and Immortality, Dr. Lopez-Reyes wrote: “Sovereignty is a major cause of contemporary war; . . . unless altered, the system of sovereign nation-states will trigger World War III.” The emphasis on nationalism and sovereignty denies the basic concept that we all belong to the same human family, regardless of linguistic or cultural differences. And that denial leads to wars. [whereislogic: and immigration laws deemed and argued to be "necessary".]

Yes, the experts can come up with all kinds of explanations of why man systematically sets out to destroy those of his own kind. Yet there is one primary factor that most commentators ignore.

The Hidden Cause of War

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I'll leave that "hidden" secret, which is truly 'above top secret', for people to read up on themselves. If they haven't seen my commentary before, otherwise, it should probably be obvious by now. My #1 enemy. Bob Marley and Michael Jackson's #1 enemy. Our #1 enemy. May everyone in the world wake up to his existence and the danger to our thinking and behaviour he poses. Remember, he hates us all with the same intense hatred.

Because the volume is a bit low above (249 million views for the one below, looks like there's a lot of 'eye-to-eye seeing' going on there):

"so that unitedly you may with one voice* [Lit., “mouth.”] glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 15:6) And who is that?

[Jah is the shortened version of the name Jehovah, both used in the Bible as the only and unique personal name of God]

And tell "the ruler of the world" (John 14:31) and "god of this system of things" (2 Cor 4:4), to bugger off.

And then Jehovah can fulfill his promise to us:

"Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: whereislogic
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The last thing on everyone's mind is fear of whiteness being darkened...lol give me a break. They don't see that flooding the country with people would be a disaster and cost crazy levels of money. We can't even take care of our homeless who would cost less. These big cities are screaming that the small trickle of illegals being too much to handle, and they could be right. Think about that small trickle turned into a big flow of them. Where do they go, how do they live, where do they earn money, what do we do when schools are overflowing more than they are? The country is not ready for that...

So could you agree then that that argument plays on our fear of economic woe (or similar or connected material concerns, rather than spiritual concerns*)? So also playing on our love of money (2 Timothy 3:1-5; quoted in my first comment in this thread, the one with Meja's song that reminds us that "it's all 'bout the money"; "and I think we got it all wrong anyway")? There will be no monetary system in "God's Kingdom [ruled] by Christ Jesus." To use a phrase from this song:

*: Coming back to my earlier side note of material (that with a view to the flesh) vs spiritual (that with a view to the spirit) concerns...

Galatians 6:7-10

Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because the one sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but the one sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9 So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due time we will reap if we do not tire out.* [Or “give up.”] 10 So, then, as long as we have the opportunity,* [Lit., “appointed time.”] let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith.

Also see my previous comment, in particular the article about war and my remarks in there (one remark is bolded, the 2nd remark is just after the bolded part).

originally posted by: whereislogic

So could you agree then that that argument plays on our fear of economic woe (or similar or connected material concerns, rather than spiritual concerns*)? So also playing on our love of money (2 Timothy 3:1-5; quoted in my first comment in this thread, the one with Meja's song that reminds us that "it's all 'bout the money"; "and I think we got it all wrong anyway")? There will be no monetary system in "God's Kingdom [ruled] by Christ Jesus." To use a phrase from this

I wish it was that easy. I'm not religious BTW. I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. Are you suggesting our monetary system is evil and that is what is holding us back? If so I would like to show that places like the old USSR, Communist China, Cuba, etc. were not based on a monetary system and 90%+ of the population lived in abject poverty.

So what do you suggest? How do we magically feed and house so much more? Do we sing Kum ba yah and become an ant colony level of existence?

Love of money is a misnomer...its called desire for a good life.

originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: mysterioustranger

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"so that unitedly you may with one voice* [Lit., “mouth.”] glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 15:6) And who is that?

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edit: I forgot a text there (put above Romans 15:6).

“Therefore I, the prisoner in the Lord, appeal to you to walk worthily of the calling with which you were called, with all humility and mildness, with patience, putting up with one another in love, earnestly endeavoring to maintain the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.” (Ephesians 4:1-5)

originally posted by: Xtrozero
... I'm not religious BTW.

Don't worry, I won't hold it against ye.

You may actually have a leg up on those having fallen for false religion/Babylon the Great (then again, scientism and the evolutionary doctrines that come with it and originate from Babylon counts as a false religion; let's say you haven't fallen for counterfeit Christianity then, called Christendom). You would still have to sift through all the evidence for God's existence. Since there is so much, your situation could be likened to being at the foot of this mountain (of evidence), then hearing these guys (see playlist below, at least 3 videos) beckoning you over to come and enter their dunghole (or cesspool) instead of climbing that mountain, cause it's so much easier and requires so much less effort on your part, even being charged an admission fee upon entering and then again at every exhibit along your path to La La Land (so it's a bit of a rabbit hole as well, like in Alice in Wonderland; perhaps the droppings are rabbit droppings, they get all in your hair and make you smell rather badly, not to mention how disgusting it looks when they get stuck between your teeth; compare my signature and text under my profilename; the droppings metaphorically represent arguments, claims and teachings, when they are stuck between your teeth and one begins to speak, they shoot out, i.e. are parroted/repeated):

Psychology: The Art of selling nonsense/contradictions (Prologue: Stephen Hawking's nonsense) (playlist)

Psychology: The Art of selling nonsense/contradictions part 1

Psychology: Dawkins&Krauss selling the philosophy and contradiction that nothing is something

For your convenience (starting 1 video earlier):




Coming back to the topic of philosophy and contradictions...

“Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;” “We have much to say about him, and it is difficult to explain, because you have become dull in your hearing. For although by now* [Lit., “in view of the time.”] you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment* [Or “their perceptive powers.”] trained to distinguish both right and wrong.” (Col 2:8; Hebrews 5:11-14)

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“And stop being molded by this system of things,* [ Or “this age.”] but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2)

“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron.”(1 Timothy 4:1,2).

Knowledge (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

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Knowledge (gno'sis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures. However, not all that men may call “knowledge” is to be sought, because philosophies and views exist that are “falsely called ‘knowledge.’” (1Ti 6:20) ...
... Thus Paul wrote about some who were learning (taking in knowledge) “yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge [...] of truth.” (2Ti 3:6, 7)

Keep in mind that the English word "science" comes from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" (which is also still a synonym for "science"). Essentially, knowledge/science means familiarity with facts/truths/certainties/realities acquired by personal experience, observation, or study. I.e., that which is factual/true/certain/absolute/conclusive/correct, without error.

“... having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power and from these turn away. From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (2Ti 3:5-7) (Keep in mind that Charles Darwin's only degree was a Bachelor of Arts in the Divine Studies, nowadays called theology, received from the Pagan Trinitarian philosophers that were his spiritual masters and teachers at Christ's College; with no supervision over a portion of his exams, in particular math if I remember correctly, which he took at home, in private, according to history, if one wants to believe he actually filled in his math exam himself and didn't let someone else do it for him, since he already couldn't cut it at Medical School, having dropped out of that PhD equivalent education. His grandfather Erasmus, from whom he took all his evolutionary ideas/philosophies, was a philosopher and Mother Nature/Gaia worshipper hanging out with mediums and psychics and such that were also nature worshippers in love with Pagan Greek philosophy about Gaia and pantheism.)

“Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called ‘knowledge.’ By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith.

May the undeserved kindness be with you.” (1Ti 6:20,21)

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How does God view the “wisdom” offered by human philosophy?

1 Cor. 1:19-25: “It is written: ‘I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men I will shove aside.’ Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness [as it appears to the world] of what is preached to save those believing. . . . Because a foolish thing of God [as the world views it] is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God [as the world may see it] is stronger than men.” (Such a viewpoint on God’s part is certainly not arbitrary or unreasonable. He has provided in the Bible, the most widely circulated book in the world, a clear statement of his purpose. He has sent his witnesses to discuss it with all who will listen. How foolish for any creature to think that he has wisdom greater than that of God!)

Source: Philosophy (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

“Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good,

Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness,

Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Woe to those wise in their own eyes

And discreet in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:20,21)

And some advice now:

“Make sure of the more important things.”—PHIL. 1:10.

“Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine” (1 Thessalonians 5:20,21)

“But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” (Romans 3:4)

Bringing us back to the song I used on the previous page (also worth repeating):

By the way, I'm "suggesting", or rather 'saying', exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less. Of course, in my previous comment I wasn't using such heavy metaphorical language.

originally posted by: whereislogic
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“... having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power and from these turn away. From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (2Ti 3:5-7) (Keep in mind that Charles Darwin's only degree was a Bachelor of Arts in the Divine Studies, nowadays called theology, received from the Pagan Trinitarian philosophers that were his spiritual masters and teachers at Christ's College; with no supervision over a portion of his exams, in particular math if I remember correctly, which he took at home, in private, according to history, if one wants to believe he actually filled in his math exam himself and didn't let someone else do it for him, since he already couldn't cut it at Medical School, having dropped out of that PhD equivalent education. His grandfather Erasmus, from whom he took all his evolutionary ideas/philosophies, was a philosopher and Mother Nature/Gaia worshipper hanging out with mediums and psychics and such that were also nature worshippers in love with Pagan Greek philosophy about Gaia and pantheism.)

“Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called ‘knowledge.’ By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith.

May the undeserved kindness be with you.” (1Ti 6:20,21)
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The idea/notion/philosophy that '(Mother) Nature (Gaia) did it' has failed time and time again over the centuries since it was first popularized in ancient Babylon, and it has been exposed time and time again for what it truly is, but is still going strong as ever, especially in its new supposedly 'scientific' jacket (that Darwin dressed it up in). Father Time and "the god of Good Luck" (Isa 65:11) hasn't helped out much either. Notice the metaphorical Trinity of these 3: Mother Nature, Father Time and the god of Good Luck.

So-called "natural selection" has no creative powers, it cannot perform the act of engineering. A requirement for the origin of machinery, including the machinery that life is made up of. Nature cannot even willfully "select" (a term that requires preferences and a mind, and to have a goal/purpose in mind for which to select one thing over another as is done in engineering, or art, another form of design + creation, in that order).

Fraud in Science—The Greatest Fraud of All (Awake!—1990)

... When these spiritual needs we were created with are fulfilled, the restlessness will give way to “the peace of God that excels all thought.”​—Philippians 4:7; Genesis 1:26-28.

Acts 17:27, 28 recommends this groping, namely, “for them to seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. For by him we have life and move and exist.” It is by him, the Creator of the universe, including earth and us upon it, that we live and move and exist. Shedding the adornments and false doctrines of orthodox religions​—which religions have turned millions away from God, including many scientists—​and following the true worship of Jehovah God, we will gain life everlasting in a paradise earth, which was Jehovah’s purpose in creating the earth in the first place.​—Genesis 2:15; Isaiah 45:18; Luke 23:43; John 17:3.

It takes tremendous credulity to think that intelligence of this magnitude resides in blind, brainless chance. It is a faith comparable to that of the pagan religionists of the prophet Isaiah’s time: “But you men are those leaving Jehovah, those forgetting my holy mountain, those setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck and those filling up mixed wine for the god of Destiny.” (Isaiah 65:11) [whereislogic: are you familiar with the term "chance and necessity", i.e. "luck" and "destiny", as used by evolutionists to promote their unverified philosophies and false stories/myths?] Evolutionists look to millions of “lucky” chances to produce man from rock, but they haven’t got off the ground to reach the first rung of their evolutionary ladder. Their “god of Good Luck” is a bruised reed.

Fred Hoyle feels an ominous foreboding in all of this: “Another point nagging me is a conviction that the window of opportunity for the human species may be very narrow in time. High technology is necessary to open the window, but high technology on its own, without establishing a relation between our species to the world outside the Earth, may well be a path to self-​destruction. If on occasions in this book my opposition to the Darwinian theory has seemed fierce, it is because of my feeling that a society oriented by that theory is very likely set upon a self-​destruct course.”

Alice, in the tale Through the Looking-​Glass, incredulous at the strange logic of the White Queen, could only laugh. “There’s no use trying,” she said. “One can’t believe impossible things.” The queen responded: “I dare say you haven’t had much practice. When I was your age I did it for half an hour a day. Why sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.” [whereislogic: evolutionary philosophers are also very fond of the saying: "speculation is free", no it isn't, not if you want to stick to the science/knowledge of facts/certainties/realities/truths.]

Evolutionists are the White Queens of today. They have had infinite practice in believing impossible things.

Chapter 8: Mutations—A Basis for Evolution? (Life—How Did it Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation?)

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It also has been said that mutations may be a key to the rapid change called for by the “punctuated equilibrium” theory. Writing in Science Digest, John Gliedman stated: “Evolutionary revisionists believe mutations in key regulatory genes may be just the genetic jackhammers their quantum-leap theory requires.” However, British zoologist Colin Patterson observed: “Speculation is free. We know nothing about these regulatory master genes.”⁠6 ...

“Rule I. We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances.
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Rule IV. In experimental philosophy we are to look upon propositions collected by general induction from phenomena as accurately or very nearly true, notwithstanding any contrary hypotheses that may be imagined, 'till such time as other phenomena occur, by which they may either be made more accurate, or liable to exceptions,

This rule we must follow, that the argument of induction may not be evaded by hypotheses.” [whereislogic: or worse, philosophies/ideas and speculations falsely labeled "scientific hypotheses".]

“As in Mathematicks, so in Natural Philosophy, the Investigation of difficult Things by the Method of Analysis, ought ever to precede the Method of Composition. This Analysis consists in making Experiments and Observations, and in drawing general Conclusions from them by Induction, and admitting of no Objections against the Conclusions, but such as are taken from Experiments, or other certain Truths. For Hypotheses are not to be regarded in experimental Philosophy.” - Isaac Newton (from Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica)

The Encyclopædia Britannica on inductive reasoning:

"When a person uses a number of established facts to draw a general conclusion, he uses inductive reasoning. THIS IS THE KIND OF LOGIC NORMALLY USED IN THE SCIENCES. ..." (Keep in mind, from wiki: Until the late 19th or early 20th century, scientists were called "natural philosophers" or "men of science". ... English philosopher and historian of science William Whewell coined the term scientist in 1833,... Whewell wrote of "an increasing proclivity of separation and dismemberment" in the sciences; while highly specific terms proliferated—chemist, mathematician, naturalist—the broad term "philosopher" was no longer satisfactory to group together those who pursued science, without the caveats of "natural" or "experimental" philosopher. [end wikiquote] The real reason was for marketing/propaganda reasons; failed, and exposed philosophies, i.e. refuted/debunked by the likes of Michael Servetus and Isaac Newton (both of whom also debunking the Trinity doctrine, Servetus being more famous for debunking the philosophies and myths in the field of medicine, most notably concerning the blood circulation system), of the past had accumulated to such an extent that the term "philosopher" was no longer satisfactory to promote oneself and one's philosophies and myths (to use part of the language that Whewell used).) Sorry, I'm out of space, so editing all the sidenotes is getting tricky.

originally posted by: whereislogic
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Fraud in Science—The Greatest Fraud of All (Awake!—1990)

... It is a faith comparable to that of the pagan religionists of the prophet Isaiah’s time: “But you men are those leaving Jehovah, those forgetting my holy mountain, those setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck and those filling up mixed wine for the god of Destiny.” (Isaiah 65:11) [whereislogic: are you familiar with the term "chance and necessity", i.e. "luck" and "destiny", as used by evolutionists to promote their unverified philosophies and false stories/myths?] Evolutionists look to millions of “lucky” chances to produce man from rock, but they haven’t got off the ground to reach the first rung of their evolutionary ladder. Their “god of Good Luck” is a bruised reed....

These types (or those referred to) that are bragging about being at (sitting on) the summit of the metaphorical mountain they are referring to, actually haven't even passed the tree line of Jehovah's holy mountain yet:

[there was to be a video here where Dinesh D'Souza is being smug with that quote about evolutionists climbing a metaphorical mountain only to find the theologians sitting on the top waiting for them; but I can't find the video on youtube and I really don't feel like sifting through all of D'Souza's crap, no offense].

And technically, evolutionists aren't even bothering to climb. After all, this is their favorite code for supporting their business, i.e. selling speculation and myth, philosophies and contradictions, under the marketinglabel "Science" (notice the last line):

“What Is Truth?”

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Of course, some might argue that much of this relativism represents open-mindedness and therefore has a positive impact on human society. Does it really, though? And what about its impact on you? Do you believe that truth is relative or nonexistent? [whereislogic: or can't be figured out with certainty, i.e. you can't make sure of anything as recommended at 1 Thess 5:21 and Phil. 1:10. That idea/notion/philosophy being discussed in more detail at the start of the article. Quoting the likes of Descartes, who discarded all but one truth that he deemed incontrovertible: “Cogito ergo sum,” or, “I think, therefore I am.”] If so, searching for it may strike you as a waste of time. Such an outlook will affect your future.

[Footnotes]

* According to Bible scholar R. C. H. Lenski, Pilate’s “tone is that of an indifferent worldling who by his question intends to say that anything in the nature of religious truth is a useless speculation.”

Next page: Why Search for Truth?

MANY religious organizations claim to have the truth, and they offer it eagerly to others. However, between them they offer a dizzying profusion of “truths.” Is this just another evidence that all truths are relative, that there are no absolute truths? No.

In his book The Art of Thinking, Professor V. R. Ruggiero expresses his surprise that even intelligent people sometimes say that truth is relative. He reasons: “If everyone makes his own truth, then no person’s idea can be better than another’s. All must be equal. And if all ideas are equal, what is the point in researching any subject? Why dig in the ground for answers to archeological questions? Why probe the causes of tension in the Middle East? Why search for a cancer cure? Why explore the galaxy? These activities make sense only if some answers are better than others, if truth is something separate from, and unaffected by, individual perspectives.”

In fact, no one really believes that there is no truth. When it comes to physical realities, such as medicine, mathematics, or the laws of physics, even the staunchest relativist will believe that some things are true. Who of us would dare to ride in an airplane if we did not think that the laws of aerodynamics were absolute truths? Verifiable truths do exist; they surround us, and we stake our lives on them.

The Price of Relativism

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In case people here haven't noticed, I'm still elaborating on my 'mountain vs dunghole/cesspool/rabbit hole' metaphor that I started with in response to Xtrozero. I'm working on the last bit, the steepest part, wisdom, walking with God, being more of a lover of God than a lover of pleasures. I keep on falling down, but luckily I've got some anchors in place so I don't fall to my (spiritual/mental) death (Paul described the troubles during this leg of the journey at Romans 7:14-25, quoted on page 3 in my own thread). Guess none of us can quite reach the top yet, that leg of the journey is for after Armageddon. And then we can be really close to Jehovah God.

James 4:7,8

Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you. Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones.

Some of us can purify their hearts concerning this topic of immigration, or war (vs peace). That's a good start to the climb. Or "race" as Paul describes it at 1 Corinthians 9:24-26 (quoted in my thread on page 2). Bob Marley uses the metaphor of a "race" in one or more of his songs as well, it's in one of the songs in my thread, probably the opening post. Ah, found it:

lyrics:

"Like a ship that's tossed and driven
Battered by the angry sea, yea-eah!"

Obviously referring to (for me, when I hear that):

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

Of course, one can also enter another race (down the dunghole/cesspool/rabbit hole to the La La Land of "futility" decribed at Ecclesiastes chapt. 1):

Ecclesiastes 1 (written by Solomon, the ancient king and educator mentioned in my signature, the one who was granted a request from Jehovah and asked for Godly wisdom, and received it):

The words of the congregator,* [Or “assembler; convener.”] the son of David, the king in Jerusalem.

2 “The greatest futility!”* [Or “vanity.”] says the congregator,

“The greatest futility! Everything is futile!”

3 What does a person gain from all his hard work

At which he toils under the sun?

4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming,

But the earth remains* [Lit., “is standing.”] forever.

5 The sun rises,* [Or “shines forth.”] and the sun sets;

Then it hurries back* [Or “returns panting.”] to the place where it rises again.

6 The wind goes south and circles around to the north;

Round and round it continuously circles; the wind keeps making its rounds.

7 All the streams* [Or “winter streams; seasonal streams.”] flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full.

To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.

8 All things are wearisome;

No one can even speak of it.

The eye is not satisfied at seeing;

Nor is the ear filled from hearing.

9 What has been is what will be,

And what has been done will be done again;

There is nothing new under the sun.

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10 Is there anything of which one may say, “Look at this—it is new”?

It already existed from long ago;

It already existed before our time.

11 No one remembers people of former times;

Nor will anyone remember those who come later;

Nor will they be remembered by those who come still later.

12 I, the congregator, have been king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I set my heart to study and explore with wisdom everything that has been done under the heavens—the miserable occupation that God has given to the sons of men that keeps them occupied.

14 I saw all the works that were done under the sun,

And look! everything was futile, a chasing after the wind.

15 What is crooked cannot be made straight,

And what is lacking cannot possibly be counted.

16 Then I said in my heart: “Look! I have acquired great wisdom, more than anyone who was before me in Jerusalem, and my heart gained a great deal of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 I applied my heart to knowing wisdom and to knowing madness* [Or “extreme foolishness.”] and to knowing folly, and this too is a chasing after the wind.

18 For an abundance of wisdom brings an abundance of frustration,

So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain.[end Bible quote]

Mind you, verse 17 is talking about a different type of "wisdom" than verse 13, (verse 13 is talking about the Godly wisdom he received from Jehovah).

See what I quoted before concerning the question:

How does God view the “wisdom” offered by human philosophy? (Rastafarianism included, as are other forms of mysticism)

originally posted by: whereislogic

You may actually have a leg up on those having fallen for false religion

To be honest, I don't want anything in the end... just end my life into nothingness. Forever anything seems like a really bad idea.

a reply to: Xtrozero

< snif > < snif >, what's that smell? I don't want to get hit by anything, everybody duck. (I'm hoping you can take that little joke, other people deserve a heads-up, or a heads-down I guess in this case ) Oh, and don't respond to my comments if you don't really wanna hear it anyway ("will not put up with", 2 Timothy 4:3,4). I'm still editing "for crying out loud" (to use O'Neill's favorite expression from Stargate SG-1). You can't respond in any rational reasonable or honest manner if you don't read, do not listen, and shut your ears to any of this (and possibly hoping others will too, the possible real reason you're responding to me, hoping I will be lured into biting, and setting up an excuse for removal of this valuable knowledge/science and "beneficial teaching", the modus operandi of ATS, the world, and its controllers, both human and spirit).

26,762,713 posts and counting.

Written Nonsense (1955)

Never before has so much been written that is nonsensical. In Roman times Paul told Christians not to act like the people of the nations, who “walk in the unprofitableness of their minds.” (Eph. 4:17, NW) Just how sadly unprofitable some of the writings of those minds must have been we can imagine from a discovery at Pompeii. It was the custom back then to write on the walls of buildings. Some shrewd reader and commentator of the writings of others had written on a wall in Pompeii the following in Latin: “It is a wonder, O wall, that thou hast not yet crumbled under the weight of so much written nonsense.”

“But Jehovah is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.”—Hab. 2:20, AS.

“But Jehovah is in his holy temple.

Be silent before him, all the earth!”—Hab. 2:20, NW.

Sigh, true listening, a lost art ("dull in your hearing"; Heb 5:11-14). Just like common sense, in truth, is very uncommon.

Read/watch it before it's gone (TPTB on ATS have a knack for removing "beneficial teaching" in favor of keeping filth/excrement/crap and nonsense+the trivial).

Proverbs 30:12

There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes

But has not been cleansed from its filth.* [Lit., “excrement.”]

Some people can smell them from a mile away. It's the kind of stench that doesn't wash off easily. But all hope is not lost, it's still possible, you just need the right type of figurative water.

Revelation 22:1,2

And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.

Bob Marley "Forever Loving Jah" lyrics:

"Cause just like a tree planted planted by the river of water
That bringeth forth bringeth forth, fruits in due season
Every thing in life got its purpose
Find its reason in every season, forever Yeah!"

“For God is my witness of how I am longing for all of you with such tender affection as Christ Jesus has. And this is what I continue praying, that your love may abound still more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment; that you may make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others up to the day of Christ; and that you may be filled with righteous fruit, which is through Jesus Christ, to God’s glory and praise.”—PHIL. 1:8-11.

“Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine” (1 Thessalonians 5:20,21)

“But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” (Romans 3:4)

Concerning the prophecy about Cyrus, as laid out in Isaiah 45 (the video I used before entitled "I AM JEHOVAH, and there is no one else. ?"):

the bible-accurate history reliable prophecy part 1 of 3 (playlist)

Cyrus first comes up after 8:10 in part 2 (but the context concerning Babylon and the Babylonian Empire starts near the beginning of part 2):

The term "new world order" is used in this part (3):

originally posted by: whereislogic
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These types (or those referred to) that are bragging about being at (sitting on) the summit of the metaphorical mountain they are referring to, actually haven't even passed the tree line of Jehovah's holy mountain yet:

[there was to be a video here where Dinesh D'Souza is being smug with that quote about evolutionists climbing a metaphorical mountain only to find the theologians sitting on the top waiting for them; but I can't find the video on youtube and I really don't feel like sifting through all of D'Souza's crap, no offense].

Keep in mind that Jesus compares false religion with a rotten tree, as discussed in this video (it's related to how I'm using the metaphor above):

Text-format: The End of False Religion Is Near!

▪ What is false religion?

▪ How will it end?

▪ How will you be affected?

What Is False Religion?

Are you distressed about crimes committed in the name of religion? Do the warfare, terrorism, and corruption perpetrated by those who claim to serve God offend your sense of justice? Why does religion seem to be at the root of so many problems?

The fault lies, not with all religion, but with false religion. A widely respected religious figure, Jesus Christ, indicated that false religion produces bad works, just as a “rotten tree produces worthless fruit.” (Matthew 7:15-17) What fruit does false religion yield?

False Religion . . .

◼ MEDDLES IN WAR AND POLITICS: “Across Asia and beyond,” says the journal Asiaweek, “power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people’s religious sentiments for their own needs.” As a result, the journal warns: “The world threatens to sink into madness.” A prominent religious leader in the United States declared: “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops.” His solution? “Blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” By contrast, the Bible says: “If anyone makes the statement: ‘I love God,’ and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar.” (1 John 4:20) Jesus even said: “Continue to love your enemies.” (Matthew 5:44) How many religions can you think of whose members engage in war?

◼ SPREADS FALSE DOCTRINE: Most religions teach that the soul or spirit is some invisible part of a human that survives the death of the physical body. By means of this teaching, many of these religions exploit their members, charging money to pray for departed souls. However, the Bible teaches a different doctrine. “The soul that is sinning​—it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Jesus taught that the dead will be resurrected​—an unnecessary action if humans had an immortal soul. (John 11:11-25) Does your religion teach that the soul does not die?

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a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm sorry, I was being too insensitive to you with my joke before, which was in bad taste. I do consider you to be a victim of those feeding you faulty reasoning and arguments and manipulating you. Also, I failed to keep in mind you are at a severe disadvantage, not having the same type of access to the same teachings that expose the ones who have been manipulating you since your birth. You've been duped over and over, and I really should keep in mind what kind of long-term effect that has on you.

Luckily, you're here anonymously anyway. Sometimes out of frustration of trying different approaches to reach people through the wall that has been built around their minds, I think I can try another approach, to see if that has any positive effect, but I really should also consider your feelings when I try that. I often step out of line on ATS, it's not a healthy place to be. I hope my quotation of Phil 1:8-11 shows how I truly feel about you (as well).

“For God is my witness of how I am longing for all of you with such tender affection as Christ Jesus has. And this is what I continue praying, that your love may abound still more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment;”—PHIL. 1:8,9.

That longing that you wake up from what has been done to you, accompanied by continued failures on my part to wake you up, gets frustrating. I see so much potential going to waste, and I end up making jokes in bad taste. But the metaphor I am using is fairly accurate, and you still have a right to know. Don't listen to the Hawking, Dawkins, Krauss, Hitchens, Trump types (and those on their teams in the education system, Church or what is labeled "Science", or the entertainment industry for that matter (including the news, which often functions the same, trying to entertain and cater to the audience to get more viewers); or wherever else you've gotten your thinking and reasoning from: parents, friends, associates, ATS and the internet in general, all suffering under the same system of things with the same ruler and god, it's his fault primarily, not yours).

I was also a bit annoyed with having lost 4 comments to the actions of a moderator removing them in which I put a lot of time (in another thread promoting nonsense and the trivial, and keeping people's minds distracted and focused on that). Which had little to do with you. But it made me worry that I might lose more at any time, forcing me to save everything to a textdocument, creating more work for me (not to mention that Youtube is bugging me even more with how slow it has become because I'm using an adblocker, Youtube has started a campaign against Adblock users to frustrate the hell out of them, every click, every keyboard stroke, takes forever, videos load 10 times as slow as before, etc.; it really gets under my skin).

What you expressed also saddened me greatly, cause I know who conditioned you with that feeling. And I haven't found the key to undo it. Everlasting life on a paradise earth (not under the current conditions) truly is an amazing prize to attain or strive for, but you've been led (tricked) to believe it isn't. And if you think it will get boring or monotonous, just remember, the empty canvas of the universe awaits us, I have little doubt we will at one point begin terraforming other planets and even be creative in our attempts at creating life on them (with a little help from our Creator, who will be in much closer contact with us in the new kingdom, teaching us all sorts of new things that aren't that important under the current conditions).

originally posted by: whereislogic

I'm sorry, I was being too insensitive to you with my joke before, which was in bad taste. I do consider you to be a victim of those feeding you faulty reasoning and arguments and manipulating you. Also, I failed to keep in mind you are at a severe disadvantage, not having the same type of access to the same teachings that expose the ones who have been manipulating you since your birth. You've been duped over and over, and I really should keep in mind what kind of long-term effect that has on you.

Lol, nothing you say can hurt my feelings, so have fun. I was in the military for 28 years, with very harden skin. I'm not really duped into anything as I do not care to invest any of my time one way or the other. When you or others say OMG this is the video to watch I can care less about it right up front. I'm 64 been there and done that...

That longing that you wake up from what has been done to you, accompanied by continued failures on my part to wake you up, gets frustrating. I see so much potential going to waste, and I end up making jokes in bad taste. But the metaphor I am using is fairly accurate, and you still have a right to know. .

I just do not see the need for a God, and I see religion as a by-product of a human's ability to think and make things in the abstract world. I also would not want to be a part of any religion Jehovah's Witness or otherwise. I respect religious people, but that is what they want.

What you expressed also saddened me greatly,

Don't, what happens if that ever-lasting life is one you find out you do not want to live...kind of screwed there...lol

Have you ever been on a cruise? They are simply great but by day 7 it is time to get off, think about an eternal cruise.. Your eternal anything could end up being someone's eternal hell no matter how good it is.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
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Lol, nothing you say can hurt my feelings, so have fun.

Ah alrighty then, that makes me glad. Still doesn't make it right on my part but at least no harm done.

I was in the military for 28 years, with very harden skin. I'm not really duped into anything as I do not care to invest any of my time one way or the other.

Sounds like you've invested quite a bit of time in the military though (and the type of thinking and reasoning that takes place there, including being subjected to pro-military propaganda, which is usually also nationalistic and patriotic propaganda*; but I won't bother you too much about it). *: did you notice the article I used about "War—Why?" that goes into those subjects of nationalistic and patriotic propaganda? How this form of propaganda and "social conditioning" was used during the Vietnam war to make the war seem "necessary"? (one of the favorite words of propagandists, I made some remarks about that in light of the perception that immigration laws are also deemed and argued to be "necessary")

I also would not want to be a part of any religion Jehovah's Witness or otherwise.

Duh, lol, nobody wants that (speaking specifically about JW). Who would want to be associated with those who they have been told are a brainwashing cult and to stay as far away from as possible, over and over. There's also a very negative picture painted about JW's in the media, or society in general. Of course, I would argue that the reality is the exact opposite (see Isa 5:20,21 quoted before), as is pointed out in the video "Jehovahs Witnesses- [a destructive cult?] Persecution of a peaceable people". Where, after making some pertinent points about pro-military propaganda that is so rampant in the world (among other things), the question is asked: "So who really is part of a cult?" If one wants to apply the term "cult" in the sense of a group of people that are being brainwashed, indoctrinated and conditioned by means of propaganda (and other similar things), it would be a good thing to consider the military for example as such a "cult", or the whole world lying in Satan's power, being deceived and manipulated by him to follow his pattern of thinking and behaviour. But I can't explain it as well as was done in the video with illustrations (demonstrations in videoformat of what they're talking about). So I'll leave it at that.

Have you ever been on a cruise?

No, so the experience you described is unfamiliar to me. But even if I had experienced it (the way I imagine it based on your description and what I've seen on TV, and because I've heard about it before like that, actually in the same type of discussion if I remember correctly, or by someone making the same type of argument that everlasting life on a paradise earth for them is comparable to being on a cruise that just gets boring after a while and then they would want something else again), I probably wouldn't compare it to everlasting life on a paradise earth. For me, the 2 aren't even in the same ballpark, i.e. not comparable with eachother. But I am familiar with the comparison (illustration). Could have been someone like Hitchens making the comparison (or another atheist or agnost arguing that everlasting life just isn't worth it, they would get bored with it). Might have been an anti-JW video on Youtube as well where I heard that particular comparison. That's sort of why I made the following remarks before:

... cause I know who conditioned you with that feeling. ... boring or monotonous

Just like a cruise after a while. That's how I heard it before somewhere. I remember thinking: 'how could they even compare the 2?' Nobody on earth has actually experienced everlasting life on a perfect paradise earth, all we have experienced is this flawed earth, and only temporary (a little over 70 years on average, that's nothing compared to eternity). And a cruiseship just doesn't seem all that appealing to me in the first place. Constantly being bombarded by those trying to make money at your expense (and only being nice for that reason, which turns into hatred quickly as soon as they don't get the tipsize they want or expect from you, with no regards for how much you've already paid for the cruise or your financial situation, they only care about themselves and money again,as per 2 Tim 3:1-5; and I have heard some nasty stories about spitting in someone's food if they don't want to give a tip, or rather hateful gossip amongst crew members if they deem someone stingy because of the tips being too low in their eyes; this whole waiting around in someone's cabin until you've gotten your tip is also quite cringy to me, if your only reason for helping me carry my bags is to make some money on it, then please don't, leave me alone, I'm not falling for your 'pretend niceness', you're not 'helping' me, you're helping yourself), overpriced stuff, and again, trivial pursuits of pleasures rather than knowledge or an education concerning "the more important things" (Phil 1:10). Now if a cruise would be focused on that (the more important things), it might be slightly more comparable to me (apart from the time period difference). I do love a quality education concerning the more important things. And if there was sufficient time for R&R (the second R standing for relaxation for me), that would be more appealing to me (and thus slightly more comparable).

Anyway, it was nice talking to you about these subjects. Didn't know you were already 64, seems you have a few years on me, I thought I was getting too old for ATS. I guess this isn't the type of site that attracts that many young poeple anyway (I knew that before, I estimated the majority of people here to be at least 30, the younger ones being distracted with even less important subjects, neither having an interest in the subjects that politicians and the news brings up, nor the subjects of conspiracy theorists or religious subjects; I don't think young people visit forums about the primary subjects discussed on this website all that often, let alone make an account to talk about it, maybe UFO's and aliens, or mysticism, the occult and Eastern or New Age philosophy, cause that's more popular in the entertainment industry as well). I'm now beginning to wonder how many more elderly are on this website or what the actual average age is of the people I regularly see posting. It does explain why some people on this website may seem more 'set in their ways' (and thinking; oh, I guess that was already included in that expression).

originally posted by: Xtrozero
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I just do not see the need for a God, and I see religion as a by-product of a human's ability to think and make things in the abstract world.

Oh, by the way, heard that one before as well. And again, I know where that feeling or opinion comes from, its ultimate source. It has a particular recognizable pattern to it as well (for which I was warned).

“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron.”(1 Timothy 4:1,2).

It's a bit of a standardized atheistic argument, it often comes up in debates between atheists and theists. And on ATS. I've actually seen it quite often on ATS in different forms, where it is pointed out that religion is man-made. Of course, I would agree as it pertains to false religion, but not concerning God's existence and the Bible being God's word, a product written under the inspiration of God. I've seen too much evidence to the contrary concerning both. Concerning the content of the Bible, it is just too hard for me to believe this is simply a product of man. It's teachings are too powerful, too accurate, and its history and prophecy is also too accurate for that, no human can predict the future that accurately, I've never seen that (especially not Nostradamus with his vague stuff). Of course the documentary "the bible-accurate history reliable prophecy " that I linked before gets into that evidence. But I guess you've already indicated you're not interested in looking into that evidence, it does lend less credence to that way of thinking about these things when someone who feels that way doesn't really want to look at any evidence to the contrary anymore though (guess that has to do with the age, and as you said, 'been there, done that'; which gives me the impression that you have looked into it before, but not at the right type of evidence, I dare say you haven't seen that documentary that I mentioned though, or any of the evidence and correct understanding of Bible history and prophecy in there). Of course, if one doesn't really want to hear it as per 2 Timothy 4:3,4, or one doesn't think the advice at Phil 1:10 and 1 Thess 5:20,21 to "make sure" of these things is actually possible, because of thinking like Pilate, Descartes, Parmenides, Democritus and Socrates, as discussed in the article “What Is Truth?”, and according to South Park's Agnostic Code, as if you can't be certain/sure about anything anyway, especially not "religious truth" as the term is used by Bible scholar R. C. H. Lenski in the footnote to Pilate's question to Jesus, "what is truth?", then no amount of evidence, regardless of the quality, will be sufficient to convince a person of (to?) the contrary (that the Bible for example is not a product of man but a product of God, with the power of God behind it and in its teachings, warnings and advice).

If I had to guess before you told me, I would have guessed you younger than me, or around the same age, in your 40's. Based on your argumentation, reasoning and interests. Since you told me you've got a pretty hardened skin, I guess I can admit now that I did not see the wisdom and experience of old age in your commentary, which is not really suprising to me given the fact that Satan is doing it rounds and once he's got a hold of your mind (your thinking), things just get worse, not better. So old age in the world (of Satan, he being the ruler of the world and god of this system of things) often leads in the opposite direction of "the wisdom from above". It's more the wisdom from below, if you catch my drift ("earthly, animalistic, demonic").

James 3:13-18

13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness* [Or possibly, “selfish ambition.”] in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness,* there will also be disorder and every vile thing.

17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable [whereislogic: also in direct contrast or contradiction to military service, so it all makes perfect sense now that you've said you spent 28 years in the service], reasonable, ready to obey [wherislogic: God rather than men, in particular superiors in the military in this case], full of mercy and good fruits [soldiers never striking me as being full of mercy and good fruits, it actively being discouraged since that is not what makes a good soldier, it gets in the way. You have to be ruthless and without heart or compassion for the ones you are supposed to kill. The training is geared towards achieving that goal in the hearts and minds of the soldier, that's where the propaganda comes in again. Playing on the emotions, making soldiers numb to these feelings, searing their conscience as if with a branding iron, so they don't feel those feelings anymore for their targets, referring to the expression at 1 Tim 4:2 quoted above.], impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for* [Or possibly, “by.”] those who are making peace. [again, the opposite of what soldiers do, especially those hypocritically calling themselves peacekeepers, a perfect demonstration of which are those so-called "UN peacekeepers" that raped, pillaged and murdered in Kenya, Ghana or another African country in the previous century when they were doing their supposed "peacekeeping" there. I saw a documentary about it once on youtube, I think it was from the John Birch Society. Where the UN was using African troops from other countries, with soldiers who already didn't like the civilians there because of having a different ethnicity. And Africans can sometimes be particular mean and horrible to one another because of ethnic differences, as we saw with the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda in the 90's. Maybe it actually was about Rwanda, but I do think it was Kenya that that documentary was about, plus a few other examples of supposed "peacekeeping" where thousands or even millions were murdered by UN soldiers.]

WOW….If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. Some people think they’ve got it all figured out for the rest of us🙄🤷‍♂️