So those who are feeding and clothing the invaders are

a reply to: liberalskeptic

Because nothing I post will convince you, you will either say wrong or right wing talking point or that source is a racist and declare victory or declare me racist and declare victory.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: liberalskeptic

Because nothing I post will convince you, you will either say wrong or right wing talking point or that source is a racist and declare victory or declare me racist and declare victory.

This persons post history kind of says it all and why I take nothing they say seriously, matter of fact been ignoring them all together. It’s always attacks, insults, hate and slurs against members every post they make. One trick pony if you may. I always find it interesting when someone doesn’t have the intellectual ability to construct a coherent argument on topic but somehow thinks everyone but themselves are uneducated.🙄🙄🙄

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: liberalskeptic

Because nothing I post will convince you, you will either say wrong or right wing talking point or that source is a racist and declare victory or declare me racist and declare victory.

This persons post history kind of says it all and why I take nothing they say seriously, matter of fact been ignoring them all together. It’s always attacks, insults, hate and slurs against members every post they make. One trick pony if you may. I always find it interesting when someone doesn’t have the intellectual ability to construct a coherent argument on topic but somehow thinks everyone but themselves are uneducated.🙄🙄🙄

If you are referring to me, trust me, I am way smarter than you or anyone else on this forum.

You people post to your echo chamber with no facts or evidence. Most of the sources you cite are opinion pieces or otherwise unsupported. But it's ok, I understand your lack of education makes you think that has value. I'm mostly here to laugh at you.

a reply to: liberalskeptic

If you are referring to me, trust me, I am way smarter than you or anyone else on this forum.

Citation required.


Because it is not proved out during your time spent here.

I'm mostly here to laugh at you.

Looks like we're all having a laugh....

a reply to: JinMI

I can't hear you laughing.

MBA, Phd, and 2 other master's degrees. But who cares? Your high school had a good football team, right? Maybe you played and that's where your pride comes from. Lol

That's not true. If you cite evidence from a reputable source I will gladly respond intellectually. But alas, you do not read reputable sources and would not know how to cite one if you did. So nothing you post is relevant except to you fellow echo chamber idiots.

That's not true. If you cite evidence from a reputable source I will gladly respond intellectually. But alas, you do not read reputable sources and would not know how to cite one if you did. So nothing you post is relevant except to you fellow echo chamber idiots.

originally posted by: liberalskeptic

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: liberalskeptic

Because nothing I post will convince you, you will either say wrong or right wing talking point or that source is a racist and declare victory or declare me racist and declare victory.

This persons post history kind of says it all and why I take nothing they say seriously, matter of fact been ignoring them all together. It’s always attacks, insults, hate and slurs against members every post they make. One trick pony if you may. I always find it interesting when someone doesn’t have the intellectual ability to construct a coherent argument on topic but somehow thinks everyone but themselves are uneducated.🙄🙄🙄

If you are referring to me, trust me, I am way smarter than you or anyone else on this forum.

You people post to your echo chamber with no facts or evidence. Most of the sources you cite are opinion pieces or otherwise unsupported. But it's ok, I understand your lack of education makes you think that has value. I'm mostly here to laugh at you.

🤔🤔🤔 Smartest mofo in the room eh? None of your post or anything you say comes off as educated Einstein, you sound more like a child wanting attention. Your post show this to be true. Trust me🤣🤣🤣 You have at it sport.

originally posted by: liberalskeptic
a reply to: JinMI

I can't hear you laughing.

MBA, Phd, and 2 other master's degrees. But who cares? Your high school had a good football team, right? Maybe you played and that's where your pride comes from. Lol

Just a FYI. Smart people don’t go around telling people how smart they are and how dumb they think everyone else is. Maybe you’re new to this smart thing?🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

originally posted by: liberalskeptic
a reply to: JinMI

I can't hear you laughing.

MBA, Phd, and 2 other master's degrees. But who cares? Your high school had a good football team, right? Maybe you played and that's where your pride comes from. Lol

Yes, you've gloated before.

Pretty sure its BS degree from Internet U......

a reply to: liberalskeptic

Let me guess, they are Liberal Arts degrees ...

originally posted by: 727Sky
From the Panama canal and beyond, maps, food, transportation, is provided to those coming to America. No it is not just the Cartels but NGO's like the Red Cross and others claiming it is all about humanitarian aide.

Lots of money to be made in humanitarian aid. Not as much as military aid, but still. Medical research is a big one (pie) as well.

2 Timothy 3:1-5:

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

It's not for nothing that those 2 (see bolded ones) were mentioned first.

originally posted by: liberalskeptic
If you are referring to me, trust me, I am way smarter than you or anyone else on this forum.
...
... I'm mostly here to laugh at you.

How is it called when a person uses their intelligence for self-satisfaction/self-gain? Cunning?


Does being cunning get you any closer to being wise though?

Proverbs 4:7:

Wisdom is the most important* [Or “the prime.”] thing, so acquire wisdom,

And with all you acquire, acquire understanding.

Understanding (Aid to Bible Understanding)

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RELATIONSHIP TO KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM

Understanding must be based on knowledge, and works with knowledge, though it is itself more than mere knowledge. The extent and worth of one’s understanding is measurably affected by the quantity and quality of one’s knowledge. Knowledge is acquaintance with facts, and the greatest and most fundamental fact is God, his existence, his invincible purpose, his ways. Understanding enables the person to relate the knowledge he acquires to God’s purpose and standards and thereby assess or evaluate such knowledge. The “understanding heart is one that searches for knowledge”; it is not satisfied with a mere superficial view but seeks to get the full picture. (Prov. 15:14) Knowledge must become ‘pleasant to one’s very soul’ if discernment is to safeguard one from perversion and deception.—Prov. 2:10, 11; 18:15.

Proverbs 1:1-6 shows that the “man of understanding is the one who acquires skillful direction, to understand a proverb and a puzzling saying, the words of wise persons and their riddles.” These must not be things said merely to pass the time away in idle conversation, for wise persons would not customarily waste time in such manner, but must refer to instruction, questions and problems that discipline and train the mind and heart in right principles, thereby equipping the learner for wise action in the future. (Compare Psalm 49:3, 4.) Knowledge and understanding together bring wisdom, which is the “prime thing,” the ability to bring a fund of knowledge and keen understanding to bear on problems with successful results. (Prov. 4:7) The person who is rightly motivated seeks understanding, not out of mere curiosity or to exalt himself, but for the very purpose of acting in wisdom; ‘wisdom is before his face.’ (Prov. 17:24) He is not like those in the apostle Paul’s day who assumed to be teachers of others but were “puffed up with pride, not understanding anything,” unwisely letting themselves become “mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words,” things that produce disunity and a host of bad results.—1 Tim. 6:3-5; see KNOWLEDGE; WISDOM.

1 Tim 6:4,5:

he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain.

It even happens to the most intelligent (or cunning) among us.

originally posted by: Mike72
a reply to: liberalskeptic

Let me guess, they are Liberal Arts degrees ...

no, they are from Imaginary U. An internet douchebag claiming to be superior, this is my shocked face.


Next he will tell us all how strong he is, and how dashingly handsome he is. Keyboard muscles to accompany those keyboard degrees. He's 19, lives in his mom's basement, and eats hot pockets daily.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You nailed it 1st sentence. These nimrods are what we are given to choose from. We are GIVEN lame choices to fight over. And led to believe each is best for us, for when in reality, neither...really is. TPTB controls our "choices".

Thnx...hv grt day✌️

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Xtrozero

... My point..history repeats over n over.

Tru dat!

Ecclesiastes 1:9,10:

What has been is what will be,

And what has been done will be done again;

There is nothing new under the sun.

10 Is there anything of which one may say, “Look at this—it is new”?

It already existed from long ago;

It already existed before our time.

A bit off-topic, but just as some examples:

The Pagan Religious Roots of Evolutionary Philosophies and Philosophical Naturalism (part 1 of 2)

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Ancient Babylonian religious concepts and practices are found in religions worldwide

“Egypt, Persia, and Greece felt the influence of the Babylonian religion . . . The strong admixture of Semitic elements both in early Greek mythology and in Grecian cults is now so generally admitted by scholars as to require no further comment. These Semitic elements are to a large extent more specifically Babylonian.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (Boston, 1898), M. Jastrow, Jr., pp. 699, 700.

Their gods: There were triads of gods, and among their divinities were those representing various forces of nature and ones that exercised special influence in certain activities of mankind. (Babylonian and Assyrian Religion, Norman, Okla.; 1963, S. H. Hooke, pp. 14-40) “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato’s] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel (Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

...

Belief regarding death: “Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556.

Position of the priesthood: “The distinction between priest and layman is characteristic of this [Babylonian] religion.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1948), Vol. 2, p. 861.

Practice of astrology, divination, magic, and sorcery: ...

Source: Babylon the Great (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

The one about death is actually a modified version of a really old one, actually, the first lie ever told to mankind. Genesis 3:3,4:

But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.

Obviously, if one says that death is a passage to another kind of life (usually in spirit form), then that's no different than saying that the real 'you' won't die (when your physical body dies). A bit more about the modified version of this lie (since Eve died he had to modify it, can't have people catching on that he's a liar):

Myth 1: The Soul Is Immortal (One Myth Leads to Another)

And that lie (false story/myth) nicely sets up another one to promote:

Myth 2: The Wicked Suffer in Hell

Also a very old one.

...

What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire?

In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.

But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.

Maybe this song will take on more meaning for you now (even better than the Meja song I used earlier; especially the phrase about "building church and university"):

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Xtrozero

That always is my point: no such thing as a perfect anything with gov.

Actually, or, 'well technically', there is a perfect government, with the best leader any person could hope for. Jesus talked about it a lot. In Matthew chapter 13 for example (starting with verse 3):

3 Then he told them many things by illustrations, saying: “Look! A sower went out to sow. 4 As he was sowing, some seeds fell alongside the road, and the birds came and ate them up. 5 Others fell on rocky ground where there was not much soil, and they immediately sprang up because the soil was not deep. 6 But when the sun rose, they were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them. 8 Still others fell on the fine soil, and they began to yield fruit, this one 100 times more, that one 60, the other 30. 9 Let the one who has ears listen.”

10 So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11 In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted. 12 For whoever has, more will be given him, and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. 14 And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’

16 “However, happy are your eyes because they see and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I say to you, many prophets and righteous men desired to see the things you are observing but did not see them, and to hear the things you are hearing but did not hear them.

18 “Now listen to the illustration of the man who sowed. 19 Where anyone hears the word of the Kingdom but does not get the sense of it, the wicked one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart; this is the one sown alongside the road. 20 As for the one sown on rocky ground, this is the one hearing the word and at once accepting it with joy. 21 Yet, he has no root in himself but continues for a time, and after tribulation or persecution has arisen on account of the word, he is at once stumbled. 22 As for the one sown among the thorns, this is the one hearing the word, but the anxiety of this system of things* [Or “this age.”] and the deceptive power of riches choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 23 As for the one sown upon the fine soil, this is the one hearing the word and getting the sense of it, who really does bear fruit and produces, this one 100 times more, that one 60, the other 30.”

24 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26 When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27 So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”

originally posted by: Maybenexttime
You will have to Google it as I'm on a phone.

Everyone is on a phone 🤣👎

...

What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire?

In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.

But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.

I forgot to mention the source before: Hell (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

The part I quoted is all the way at the bottem. When discussing the origin of a teaching that isn't in the Bible, there isn't much quoting from the Bible required. Especially once all the Bible texts that have been twisted* to give people the impression that they support this teaching, have already been addressed.

*: For example, this one (concerning Luke 16:13-31):

originally posted by: namehere
maybe instead of worrying about immigration you Republicans(so do democrats) need to do something about the declining births of White people, we had a long time we couldve done something about it but have done nothing, now its dipping into negatives and it wont be long until our population starts shrinking. i get the frustration seeing your own people becoming a minority but blaming immigrants and demonizing them wont fix the problem and neither would sealing the border, harsh immigration policies wont save us.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Save us from what?

Perhaps he's been watching a bit too much South Park.

At least that's the scene I immediately was reminded of when I read his comment. On a related note concerning the topic of this thread:

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AS MEANS of communicating have expanded—from printing to the telephone, radio, television, and the Internet—the flow of persuasive messages has dramatically accelerated. This communications revolution has led to information overload, as people are inundated by countless messages from every quarter. Many respond to this pressure by absorbing messages more quickly and accepting them without questioning or analyzing them.

The cunning propagandist loves such shortcuts—especially those that short-circuit rational thought. Propaganda encourages this by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending rules of logic. As history bears out, such tactics can prove all too effective.

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Playing on the Emotions

Even though feelings might be irrelevant when it comes to factual claims or the logic of an argument, they play a crucial role in persuasion. Emotional appeals are fabricated by practiced publicists, who play on feelings as skillfully as a virtuoso plays the piano.

For example, fear is an emotion that can becloud judgment. And, as in the case of envy, fear can be played upon. ...

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Hatred is a strong emotion exploited by propagandists. Loaded language is particularly effective in triggering it. There seems to be a nearly endless supply of nasty words that promote and exploit hatred toward particular racial, ethnic, or religious groups.

Some propagandists play on pride. Often we can spot appeals to pride by looking for such key phrases as: “Any intelligent person knows that . . .” or, “A person with your education can’t help but see that . . .” A reverse appeal to pride plays on our fear of seeming stupid. Professionals in persuasion are well aware of that.

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Source: The Manipulation of Information (Awake!—2000)

Cartman is a real victim of that trick as well, playing on his insecurity while pushing the buttons of fear, hatred and pride, in that order of importance (I wish they had beeped out the swearing):

Why do people who voted for Donald Trump allow themselves to be played (scammed) like that?

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“And stop being molded by this system of things,* [ Or “this age.”] but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2)