Pope Francis Says Marxism, Christianity Have a Common Mission

This pope just keeps piling it on ... Now he's proposing a "new narrative for a Europe in search of its identity". And this 'new narrative' is a cross between Christian and Communist because they have a common mission, according to him. He wants a 'fraternal future' between the Communists and Christians. His speech to the Communists visiting included his usual criticism of the free-market system and finance mechanisms, which I'm sure the Communists just loved. In the past "Pope Francis" has said - “If I see the Gospel in a sociological way only, yes, I am a communist, and so too is Jesus.” He also threw shade on so called 'nationalism'. He hates people being proud of the country they are from. He is a no-borders New World Order guy.

His statements about what Communists and Christians should come together on, is completely devoid of worship of God and acknowledgement of God as THE authority in the world. As head of the Catholic Church, THAT is what he is supposed to be promoting and teaching people. But he took God out of it except to say that God would be happy with helping the poor and that is what the Communists and Christians have to do together.

Guess he never took a real history class about what Communism does to religion .. or what it does to the economy. He says pretty things that make sense at a surface level, until you look deeper.

Vatican News

People who are poor, unemployed, homeless, immigrants, or exploited, as well as all those killed by past dictatorships and turned into rubbish by the "throwaway culture" of the present: the level of a society's civilisation is measured by the way they are treated, the Pope said.

Pope Francis reiterated the centrality of the vulnerable as well as the urgency of countering the triple "scourge" of corruption, abuse of power, and lawlessness—both in politics and in society—in his address on Wednesday with representatives of the DIALOP transversal dialogue project.

This is a dialogue project between socialists/Marxists, communists, and Christians aimed at formulating a common social ethic that can be proposed as a new narrative for a Europe in search of its identity, with an integral ecology between the Social Doctrine of the Church and Marxist social critique at its core.

English/Katholisch - Pope Marxists and Christians Have a Common Mission

VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis wants "the courage to step outside the box" and an opening in dialogue for "new paths". Christians as well as socialists, Marxists and communists have a common mission, said the Pontiff, citing practical examples.

Pope Francis encouraged the Marxist-Christian dialogue group Dialop to work together for the disadvantaged and against corruption and abuse of power. Christians as well as socialists, Marxists and communists should build a "better, fraternal future" for a world divided by wars and polarisation, said Francis at a reception in the Vatican on Wednesday. He said it was important to overcome rigid, divisive approaches, conduct disputes with an open heart and listen to one another without excluding anyone on political, social or religious grounds.

"Do not allow finance and the market to dictate the law," the Pope urged his guests. They should "not stop dreaming of a better world", in which ideals such as freedom, equality, dignity and fraternity are upheld; these ideals are a "mirror of God's dream" for humanity.
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More of his speech is available at the link and there are many other links if you google 'Pope Francis says Christians and Communists have a common mission'.

A little on the history of Communism that Pope Francis is forgetting -

Marx called religion the 'opium of the masses', and a tool of their oppression. The history of Marxism is rooted in opposing, uprooting, and removing religion from the culture. How can Christianity have a common mission with that?

100 Years of Communism and 100 Million Dead - Bolshevik plague that began in Russia

Some 32-45 million Christians were killed in various communist uprisings in that same time period.

How Socialism Discourages Work and Creates Poverty

a reply to: FlyersFan

Someone should take him to tour Pitesti Prison.

originally posted by: watchitburn
Someone should take him to tour Pitesti Prison.

Yeah. And he should read what Saint Pope John Paul II had to say about Communism and why he fought so hard against it.
What Four Previous Popes Had to say About Socialism

Wowwwww...

Have you seen the video of him bowing and kissing the hands of some of the most wealthy and powerful individuals on earth, THEN the regular folks come to take his hand and he quickly snatched it away!

No offense to Christianity or more pointedly, Catholicism, but your "ultimate conduit between God and man" is an absolute blasphemous, sacrilegious POS. I truly mean no offense, I'm simply making an observation that Christianity is PURPOSELY being distorted and compromised much like everything else.

I know Christians and Catholics see what this very "different" pope is doing; twisting scripture to fit the earthly narratives, letting homosexuality have its place and tolerance, and now aligning with oppressive forms of governance. Is too much to ask to stay neutral and do your fkn job and represent God and God's word???

Don't let man shake your faith, only let God if that's what God wants to do. These false prophets would be popping up more frequently towards the "big switch" as most familiar with scripture can attest to, so this isn't surprising.

Does this bother any devoted Catholic practitioners on here? What does this mean for some of you?

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole
Does this bother any devoted Catholic practitioners on here?

Yeah .... It does. My family and every Catholic I know doesn't like him. His anti-American comments in particular irk us. He says he is 'honored when Americans say they don't like him'.

What does this mean for some of you?

It's sad and dangerous that the pope is anti-American, anti-free-market, anti-catholic, anti-borders, pro-communist, New World Order. But the church has had bad popes before and it doesn't change the basic teachings of the church. It's just something that has to be put up with and fought - both through prayer and with making voices heard.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Makes sense. Offer waverers from the dying religion of Marxism the alternative of a much more reliable faith, two thousand years old and still going strong while Marxism hasn't even made it to two hundred yet. In rural parts of Italy and southern Europe generally, in Africa, in India, in Cuba and Latin America, the message resonates.

a reply to: FlyersFan

All institutionalized religions have a goal to become global, borderless entities. It's written in the Christian dogma that the meek shall inherit the earth, Marxist, communism has the same sentiments, the working clas overcoming the material conditions thatcthe elites built for themselves and rebuilding the world to fit them. There's even arguments Karl Marx himself based his ideas off Christian teachings for a lot of his critique on political economy.

a reply to: strongfp

There's even arguments Karl Marx himself based his ideas off Christian teachings for a lot of his critique on political economy.

That's ridiculous. Marxism is explicitly atheist. Furthermore, the whole notion that Marx was an advocate of the working class was disproven long ago. Granted, Marx was highly intelligent, but he was also a lazy pos that envied the wealthy, and thought it unfair that they have more than the "proletariat". His solution? Confiscate their money, land, possessions and "redistribute" it. Oh yea...then kill them. What a great plan.

a reply to: ColeYounger2

That doesn't mean anything. The works under his name are there for you and everyone else to read.

He may have been atheist, but he grew up in the ruins of the first Reich, and his father was very religious. He was also a student of theology and philosophy, he most definitely was exposed to Christiendom.
He may have been a journalist bum, but he most definitely wrote about the working class. Unless you have some other sources that say otherwise?

a reply to: strongfp

I'm not arguing his background, and I've acknowledged he was very smart. I've studied those philosophies. I am saying that Marxism\communism is the mother lode of bad ideas. Marx's 'solutions' were always to take a difficult situation and make it worse. Marx behaved exactly like the modern leftists do. He presumed to have the moral authority to tell us all how society should be run. He was exactly like our modern-day "Utopia-builders".

a reply to: FlyersFan

Pope Francis may be the best argument yet for the existence of a flesh and blood "anti-Christ".

a reply to: ColeYounger2

Yes, his earlier works he came across quite arrogant. There's that poem of him depicting himself rising from the ashes or something along those lines.

But, to argue back, and to go off my initial post, the catholic church too always came across as the moral authority, grossly taking the Bible out of context to maintain power. Or in this case pope Francis going off the deep end away from the Bible.

At the end of the day, marxism and Christian dogma call for the lower clases of people to come out on top. Coincidence?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Pope Francis wants "the courage to step outside the box" and an opening in dialogue for "new paths"

I agree this new path is needed but not sure why he thinks combining or mixing in any of the old ways will work when they haven't in the past.

I do agree something needs to be done - a paradigm change perhaps - but nobody knows how to go about it, or we are just being human and stick with what works or doesn't work.

a reply to: FlyersFan

"Pope" Francis is a disgrace. His agenda is obvious.
His supporters are recruiting cheerleaders for him. In this video, a young priest tries to sway the doubters and admonish the critics of Francis. I was thinking he'd make a decent argument on the pope's behalf, but it's a very weak argument. He emphasizes three topics. All his arguments are easily refuted, and then he really flubs it at the end.

1. He claims that if you criticize the pope, then you don't know your Catechesis. You're ignorant! This is really funny, since some of the pope's harshest critics are priests and bishops, with decades of experience. I think it's safe to say they don't suffer from "poor Catechesis".

2. Francis is great. He just has a "different style". That's too lame to even justify a reply.

3. Morality is "ambiguous". It's not black and white. B.S. There may be some grey areas concerning ethics and morality, but you can't allow immorality under the guise of "being tolerant".

He ends his argument by saying that if he hasn't convinced you, then you're a crazy conspiracy theorist. You can't make this stuff up!


Pope Francis cheerleading:

a reply to: strongfp

I think that modern Christianity and Marxism have at least one very big thing in common. Both were philosophies that sought to uplift the poor but then were taken over and corrupted by self serving elitists. Oh, they have at least one other thing in common. Both have adherents that blindly follow the path handed down to them by those same self serving elitists.

He wants to be the lord of this world.

Plenty of room in the cage 👍



a reply to: FlyersFan

You can't make this stuff up!

A grand exhortation by one who believes in stuff that was made up.

Strange Pope they’ve been saddled with.

This is especially odd since one of Marxism’s goals (even going back to the bearded man himself) was the total destruction of Pope Francis’ Church. He even mentions it by name. Several times in fact.

originally posted by: strongfp
At the end of the day, marxism and Christian dogma call for the lower clases of people to come out on top.

In the case of Marxism, it kills anyone who disagrees with it. In the case of Christianity, it evolved and now just tries to convert those who disagree with it into believing in God and worshipping Him in like manner. So I'm not seeing that Marxism and Christianity have the 'same mission'.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yea the catholic church just had to crack a few more eggs to get to the omelet that's all.

The bigger message is that the Cadre or bureaucracy always end up becoming filled with self serving elites. Socialist dictatorships, using dogmatised Maexism is the issue, just as how many popes used the Bible to enrich their buddies and start conflicts, and what not