How can atheism have morality?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee
Hitler claimed to be Catholic.

He sure didn't follow any of it... lol

Maybe not -- but that's what he claimed.

a reply to: Xtrozero

A lot of religions discourage learning past the likes of primary school Xtrozero.

And would be quite happy for their followers to remain in the proverbial dark, so to speak because they are easier to manipulate that way and control.

Take Jehovah's Witnesses for a start.

As far as im aware Kant emphasised the importance of grounding knowledge in human experience and understanding the limits of reason.

Not read much of the man's work, i have however been known to pick up some of Nietzsche's books(quite hard to get one's head around all the same down to the style of the man's writing).

"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering".

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee
Hitler claimed to be Catholic.

He sure didn't follow any of it... lol

Maybe not -- but that's what he claimed.

You claimed to be Mormon.

Hitler rise in politics was due to the support and organization from the Thule Society which was a branch from Theosophy.
Theosophy is a religion based on elevating science and merging it as theocratic religion.
Have you ever seen anyone elevate science as a religion?
I have witnessed it on this site.
Damn religious nuts!!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Xtrozero

A lot of religions discourage learning past the likes of primary school Xtrozero.

And would be quite happy for their followers to remain in the proverbial dark, so to speak because they are easier to manipulate that way and control.

Take Jehovah's Witnesses for a start.

As far as im aware Kant emphasised the importance of grounding knowledge in human experience and understanding the limits of reason.

Not read much of the man's work, i have however been known to pick up some of Nietzsche's books(quite hard to get one's head around all the same down to the style of the man's writing).

"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering".

JW's promote education ends at primary school?
That is new to me.
Thanks

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Possibly a tad of hyperbole on my part.

But historically, there has been a cautious approach within the Jehovah's Witnesses community regarding higher education.







Let us just say they certainly place limitations and guidelines based on their beliefs where education is concerned.

With strong regard placed on studying their own literature.

Including the Bible, as part of their religious practices as opposed to an actual education of the mainstream tertiary sorts.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee

You are making excuses.

How is that any different than humans manipulating atheism?

As I said, humans are much worse without religion.

I've been both -- and absolutely disagree with this statement.

It's about personal responsibility. As an atheist all responsibility is on yourself.

In religion you live and do to please some imaginary created person that you believe judges you.

I'll stick with personal responsibility every day.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Annee

You are making excuses.

How is that any different than humans manipulating atheism?

As I said, humans are much worse without religion.

I've been both -- and absolutely disagree with this statement.

It's about personal responsibility. As an atheist all responsibility is on yourself.

In religion you live and do to please some imaginary created person that you believe judges you.

I'll stick with personal responsibility every day.

That is crazy.
It is exactly the path Hitler took.
In the end they not only celebrated his birthday as a national holiday.
They celebrated his half birthday as a national holiday.
Hitler became a religion unto himself
He took that personal responsibility every day and any day

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: andy06shake

Which one through?

Because they are not all screaming from the same hymn sheet or anything reminiscent of the sort.

Which means they cannot all be correct.

How many non-religious people here have read Kant even once, . . .

Why do I need to read other people's thoughts and ideas to know right from wrong?

Atheism requires personal responsibility.

I have no need to follow.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

While it is true that Hitler was involved with various political and occult groups in his early years.

Including the German Workers Party which later became the National Socialist German Workers Party.

I don't think there is conclusive evidence to support the idea that the Thule Society played a crucial role in his political rise.

The man was a great orator who told the people what they wanted to hear at the correct moment in time as unfortunate as the case may be.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

The man was a great orator who told the people what they wanted to hear at the correct moment in time as unfortunate as the case may be.

Yes, gullible followers.

I'll stick with personal responsibility and independent thought.

a reply to: Annee

Me to Annee, it's the only way to travel really by my guess.

If you punish a child for being naughty, and reward him for being good, he will do right merely for the sake of the reward; and when he goes out into the world and finds that goodness is not always rewarded, nor wickedness always punished, he will grow into a man who only thinks about how he may get on in the world, and does right or wrong according as he finds advantage to himself. Immanuel Kant

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

While it is true that Hitler was involved with various political and occult groups in his early years.

Including the German Workers Party which later became the National Socialist German Workers Party.

I don't think there is conclusive evidence to support the idea that the Thule Society played a crucial role in his political rise.

The man was a great orator who told the people what they wanted to hear at the correct moment in time as unfortunate as the case may be.

I do not think you understand the global power behind the theosophists.
Hitler was to be maitreya initially.
Or a prelude to him as was attempted from the world War.
The war made them much more strong and powerful.
Mentioning share int. is the only subject I have raised on this site that actually scare people and nobody that knows about them will talk about them.
They are hand in glove associated with the U.N. and organize the World Council of Churches

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I do not think you understand the global power behind the theosophists.
Hitler was to be maitreya initially.

So explain it to me if you think i fail to comprehend and prove your claims with factual evidence and links, please?

If it's a "World Teacher" you're after FarmerSimulation, just like the theosophists, your already on the wrong path.

Or a prelude to him as was attempted from the world War.
The war made them much more strong and powerful.

Who is "them" and again evidence please?

Mentioning share int. is the only subject I have raised on this site that actually scare people and nobody that knows about them will talk about them.

What's "Mentioning share int"?

So scare us please, i look forward to that.

They are hand in glove associated with the U.N. and organize the World Council of Churches

Of course, "they" do.

And is it not "claw" in glove? LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I do not think you understand the global power behind the theosophists.
Hitler was to be maitreya initially.

So explain it to me if you think i fail to comprehend and prove your claims with factual evidence and links, please?

Or a prelude to him as was attempted from the world War.
The war made them much more strong and powerful.

Who is "them" and again evidence please?

Mentioning share int. is the only subject I have raised on this site that actually scare people and nobody that knows about them will talk about them.

What's "Mentioning share int"?

So scare us please, i look forward to that.

They are hand in glove associated with the U.N. and organize the World Council of Churches

Of course, "they" do.

And is it not "claw" in glove? LoL

When you disect a post down into sentences as you like to do.
How do you interprete it so poorly in doing it?
It is weird and tiresome to have to try and explain what you misinterpreted and out of context for what is said.

Sentences are used to explain words used.
Paragraphs are used to bring sentences into ellipsis for deeper meaning and explanation.
But you want definitions of words to fit the context you desire.....only.
I explained the feedback from posters on this site over the years do not want any involvement of even discussing this Uber powerful group.
Feel free.
Share int.
Lord maitreya.
W.C.C.
As for Hitler being their boy.
Thule Geselshaft.
Knock yourself out.
Educate yourself like this thread implies

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

So no proof whatsoever, imagine that.

Just daft claims and anecdotes, not even a link to some esoteric new age bullcr@p website to support your guff?

Just mad sad personal attacks as usual.

Because you refuse to lace your own boots and seemingly cannot even be bothered to justify the nonsense you come away with.

How very predictable if nothing else.

Prove your claim that the "Thule" Society played a crucial role in Hitler's rise to power?

Who is this ""Uber powerful group"" to which you refer, name them, please?

Is it the "Ahnenerbe" or "Lord Voldemort"?

a reply to: Xtrozero

As I said, humans are much worse without religion.

Have you met many humans that lack religion? There are some, it is true, but they are very few in number. One in a hundred thousand, perhaps. Maybe one in a million.

Most people are believers. Optimists. Pessimists. American dreamers. Hippies. Practitioners of Santeria. Gamblers who believe in luck. Constitutionalists. Dupes of the 'truth' that all 'men' (lol) are equal. UFO abductees. Goths. Believers in astrology. Gun perverts. Vegans. All conspiracy theorists, obviously; their conspiracy theory is their religion. Communists, Fascists, capitalists, existentialists -- also obviously. And more, and more... The line (you're standing in it) stretches all the way to the crack of doom. Faith has infinite permutations; no need to ask what's your poison. It's all the same: Jonestown flavoured Kool-Aid.

But yes, there are a few without religion. Very, very, very few. They are better than you, not worse -- they are the only fully realised humans. But -- and you may take comfort from this -- they just as doomed, and as damned, as you are. The difference is, they accept it.

originally posted by: Annee

In religion you live and do to please some imaginary created person that you believe judges you.

I'll stick with personal responsibility every day.

I guess we don’t need laws since everyone is so good with personal responsibility.😂

Faith is a strong force though.

originally posted by: Annee

Atheism requires personal responsibility.

I have no need to follow.

This isn’t about you or what you like or dislike. It’s about what has more effect on people to maintain a level of morality. Faith is very strong in doing that.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
That is funny...

Why, seems to me a lot of religious people do the same to avoid legal problems while still sinning.

Are 1.2 billion doing it? Do we see 100 million dead? As I said many times, humans in general are rather wicked animals by our underlying nature.

Don't shift the goalpost. You said, "It isn't a want to kill others, it is nothing preventing from killing others..." those were 2 examples of you being wrong.