Trump Releases Summary of Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election in the Swing States

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I can see where you are coming from here Man . I do have some things I do not care for about Mr. Trump . but I can Overlook them if I see the Man Truly Cares about Making Our Country Great Again . He is Old and Wealthy Now , why does he Continue to give himself Grief being Involved in the Nasty Business of Politics ? Why does he not just Retired from the Public Limelight and Enjoy his Remaining Years in Comfort ?

Understanding that folks come to different conclusions from their own experiences is just a part of life. Especially when you mix in values.

My point is that I'm ok with people not liking Trump. The bothersome part comes when they back that opinion up with easily debunkable lies and propaganda.

I mean, lying to oneself is a terrible way to live life.

What are your Thoughts on the Reason he is Still Involved in Politics to Begin with ? It cannot just be All Ego . What in your Opinion Motivates him to Continue to Suffer these Slings and Arrows of Political Misfortune ? I Seriously would like to Know .

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

What are your Thoughts on the Reason he is Still Involved in Politics to Begin with ? It cannot just be All Ego . What in your Opinion Motivates him to Continue to Suffer these Slings and Arrows of Political Misfortune ? I Seriously would like to Know .

Because if he backs down now, he tanks everything he's built.

Trump isn't a household name because he's meek and mild. He's taken massive risks in his life to receive the massive rewards. It's his entire lifestyle. With that comes the attitude of fighting till the end.

His one and only chance to walk away was after Jan 20 2021. And even then it would have made him look weak.

a reply to: network dude

He made a lengthy speech that the election was stolen from him, to a crowd of tens of thousands of people, gathered at the capitol, before the election certification.

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Here is a transcript of the speech.

"Stole" is found 3 times:

All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media.

Each and every one of these issues is enough to give us a victory in Georgia, a big beautiful victory. Make no mistake, this election was stolen from you, from me and from the country.

Protest is not found in the document....but this is:

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Degradation33

Your post would seem to imply that there is no teeth behind the trails of evidence.

What state would you like to start with for lawsuits, policy (including changes), etc?

Arizona.

I lived there forever.

Still have an affinity for it. Haven't really paid attention to the fraud stuff too closely though.

I think he's digging for anything that would have happened anyway in the hope it hides his lost votes.

Mail in votes? 22k mail-in vote enough to overturn Arizona?

He's not winning a 22k sample of mail-in votes 16k-6k. Not in Maricopa. The democrats were the ones listening to Fauci and not wanting to be "superspreader", voting by mail instead.

To me, much of its like that. Possible mounds of hidden Trump votes. I think he knows it's not going anywhere, but knows it keeps his support stronger to drag it out and make it seem worse.

To me it's mounds of, "Just enough to keep a case for fraud existing." So he uses it. I will never see his 0-65+ rate with his lawsuits as a vastly corrupt judiciary because several republican judges ruled against him too. Occam's razor with that ruling record. His cases are flimsy.

But it's kept him wanted for 3 years. I hate his shady weasle chauvinist ass, but at this point, why not?

I could never vore for him, but this country has fondness for reboots of reboots so, why not?

And I'm in California. So the rest of the country is irrelevant. My state constitution protects me in this liberal expensive coastal socialist utopia. At least my city got rid of most the homeless and their disgusting street waste.

So everyone believe whatever and do whatever and elect whoever at this point, just don't go to holy war, because it's not that hard to win this one.

a reply to: JinMI

The point is he told the crowd in no uncertain terms he won the election, right before it was to be certified that he lost.

That is rebellion. Why do you think it is not?

a reply to: Degradation33

AZ has been quite covered here actually.

Thread 1

Thread 2

My contention on AZ is the same as the other swing states. Runbeck. A private, unauditable company used by AZ as a third party for their elections.

When you speak of legal filings, outside of AZ, the Texas v Pennsylvania lawsuit that was shot down by SCOTUS would have been the optimal place to lay this all to bed. They let us all down in that respect.

Bottom line, transparency. It should be an easy feat to prove that Trump is talking out of his ass. Like it should have been easy for R's to do in 2016 in regards to the voting machine issues.

originally posted by: IgorMartinez
a reply to: JinMI

The point is he told the crowd in no uncertain terms he won the election, right before it was to be certified that he lost.

That is rebellion. Why do you think it is not?

I am here and now proclaiming also that I believe Trump won the election.

Am I now an insurrectionist? Am I now rebelling against the US?

See how idiotic this argument is yet?

Like I said earlier, your belief that no fraud exists because there is no court cases (although there certainly is to this day) in comparison to Trump being an insurrectionist, but without any charge of such is so completely laughable that you really should re-evaluate this line of logic you hold.

a reply to: IgorMartinez

It is called Freedom of Speech. Again, how can you rebel against yourself? He was still in office. If he had done this on 2/6, and led a group to the White House I could see where people could connect the dots.

Do you NOT remember DC in the days after the inauguration? It made 1/6 look like a Amish Race Car....non-existent.

a reply to: JinMI

You are posting here anonymously.

You may be banned from holding public office, in the USA, per the 14th Amendment, if your identity becomes known, as an election denier.

originally posted by: IgorMartinez
a reply to: JinMI

You are posting here anonymously.

You may be banned from holding public office, in the USA, per the 14th Amendment, if your identity becomes known, as an election denier.

No free speech?
No due process?

You went from simply hating Trump to a proponent of the CCP in no time.....

a reply to: JinMI

That’s what the 14th Amendment says.

You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater, especially if there’s no fire.

There are no criminal charges, for pushing your propaganda, just banned from holding public office.

Furthermore, I grow skeptical of your evidence, because your claims haven’t been audited, and no one will swear by them under oath. That must be why no court will take up these election fraud cases. And all the lawyers trying to bring forward these election fraud cases are being disgraced.

a reply to: IgorMartinez

It says what exactly, this?

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

It also says:

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Do you understand what due process is?

It also says:

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Which...they have:

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

18 USC 2383


Let me know if this is confusing for you.....

a reply to: JinMI

Did the claims of election fraud not pass through the due process?

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Which claim specifically?


There are quite a few to choose from.

Are you educated now on the 14th now?

a reply to: JinMI

Never mind. You’re obviously extremely partisan.

After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost 62 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in 9 states (including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) and the District of Columbia.

Promoting propaganda that Trump won clearly appears to be rebellion.

Honestly I’m only interested in this topic because the decision facing the Supreme Court is a Catch 22.

Trump wins, democracy loses. Trump loses, half the voters get triggered.

It’s a win win the way I look at it

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Never mind. You’re obviously extremely partisan.

Yea? That's cute, but it's a deflection.

After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost 62 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in 9 states (including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) and the District of Columbia.

More deflection? I see you forgot a source.

Honestly I’m only interested in this topic because the decision facing the Supreme Court is a Catch 22.

Trump wins, democracy loses. Trump loses, half the voters get triggered.

It’s a win win the way I look at it

And yet you have the gall to call me a partisan?

It's all about Trump for you. Not laws nor the Constitution.

I think the problem is presenting itself.......

originally posted by: IgorMartinez
a reply to: JinMI

The point is he told the crowd in no uncertain terms he won the election, right before it was to be certified that he lost.

That is rebellion. Why do you think it is not?

I believe 100% Trump won AZ, GA, and WI. 100%. I have zero doubt. In fact, I am so certain that I'd actually bet my life on it.

I have ZERO doubt.

Should I be arrested? Go to jail? Perhaps I should be put into a re-education camp?

I will put my life on it. That is how certain I am that Trump won those 3 states.

Want me dead, yet?

a reply to: IgorMartinez


Hillary Clinton is an "election denier", do you believe she should NOT have been allowed on any tickets? Or any future tickets?