Saving our democracy from Trump, by destroying our democracy because of Trump

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JinMI

If I had the time, I'd place each "monkey" underneath every one of her posts.

Yet it's "everyone else" who can't see it..


Whatever "it" is.

a reply to: JinMI

Yet it's "everyone else" who can't see it..

Fans of a thrice-indicted Trump are once again floating violent rhetoric about hanging Mike Pence: 'I want to watch his toes dangle in the breeze'

There's honestly too much, and really, the standard go to reply is that it's all fake news

In all honesty I think it's going to be a very long time before we can all talk about these things together again - that well has been poisoned. Reality is whatever you want it to be now

But let's start very late in the game with the Mike Pence situation. This is not normal or reasonable behavior

How did we get here, and why does everyone seem to accept this as just politics as usual?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

what percentage of Trump supporter are you trying to tar and feather here?

a reply to: Annee

1: Donald trump is not Fred Trump. Also he was everyone best friend up until about 2015 which is long after 1954 so your argument fails to answer the question, since that issue is clearly not the nail in the coffin.

2: His interviews on the Stern show are part of the reason so many people like the guy, he came off as real person not some garbage elitist locked away in some ivory tower to important for the regular folk. Also Howard Stern has done more than any other organization into normalizing gay and trans people. He showed that gay and trans people are good fun loving people just like the ordinary person and okay to hang around during a time the MSM would have believe you die from aids from being in the same room.

3: The art of the deal, is just a book. Also 1987 maybe the height of his acceptance by the left.

4. Mary Trump's book, are you saying this is the reason fake foreign intel was conjured up to interfere with the election? The media pushed lies they new were lies just to damage his reputation and in some cases that fake intel was used in legal proceeding's to obtain false warrants for wire tapping. Also at the same time this one lady, Mary Trump convinced all of the left that this guy was toxic. Is that your entire argument?

originally posted by: Annee
Here's one report: Crime is down, though Fox News viewers might not be aware.

Crime declined in the third quarter of 2023 relative to the same period in 2022, according to data released by the FBI last week. Violent crime was down 8 percent in jurisdictions that reported data — law enforcement agencies covering three-quarters of U.S. residents. Property crime was down 6 percent. Murder was down more than 15 percent.

www.msn.com...

Isn't this a result of the justice system not prosecuting crimes now?

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: some_stupid_name

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Annee

you do understand all the questions Trump is asking the legal folks is BECAUSE everyone is after him to remove him from the process, don't you?

You do know he is in this position because of his own doing, don't you?

Which action or actions specifically lead to bad man orange? Trump used to be the lefts best friend? What event caused that to change?

He ran on the Republican ticket. That's it, no other reason.

yeah, I know the answer. She is as guilty as defamation and wrongful prosecution as the rest of them.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Annee

Biden's EO ended all that on the border.

Biden ignored Trumps plans for Afghanistan and made his own.

When it comes to Biden I will do my own research -- when I feel like it.

I ignore anything regarding Biden on this pro-Trump forum.

I'd break my neck from sliding off the slant.

Wow so you don't care about the actual crimes and their actual characters you just like to see the D next to their names. Whats the end goal here? What is this new world you want to see?

a reply to: network dude
Interesting response 🙂

Not tarring and feathering at all. Wondering

We all are. Why is this acceptable? Why don't Trump supporters speak out against this sort of thing?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Dandandat3
I guess I just don’t understand why so many "anti trump" proponents would spend so much time on a pro-Trump website.

Maybe they are just easily influenced.

I've been here since 2007. There was hardly any political discussion at the time.

I was on MSN Messenger before that. And ICQ before that.

But I like process. I like to see how things work through.

Following the "ins and outs" of this political legal drama is fascinating. I'm not required to like Trump.

No one says you have to like Trump, Being complicit with an illegal method of silencing and stealing a citizens prosperity on false allegations is enough for you to be ashamed about and push back against.

originally posted by: GrandmaX
a reply to: RazorV66

Well at least I answered the challenge of describing how Trump will in fact destroy democracy.

I explained that his actions during his presidency have demonstrated a clear pattern of tyrant behaviors which undermine American democratic values.

Attacks on allies, disregard for intelligence reports, dismissal of the rule of law, manipulation of mainstream media outlets, disgusting personal behavior.

It's all here.

You didn't prove anything.

attack on allies, they aren't good allies if they don't participate.

disregard for intelligence reports, because like the big weapons of mass destruction report these people commonly get things wrong.

dismissal of the rule of law, we'll need to look at each violation to see if there is any wrong doing or if the law itself was wrong, for instance i think we all agree sundown laws are garbage but they are on the books and we do dismiss them as legitimate.

manipulation of mainstream media outlets, your kidding right? That was the dems.

disgusting personal behavior, doesn't break any rules, just looks bad.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: JinMI

Yet it's "everyone else" who can't see it..

Fans of a thrice-indicted Trump are once again floating violent rhetoric about hanging Mike Pence: 'I want to watch his toes dangle in the breeze'

There's honestly too much, and really, the standard go to reply is that it's all fake news

In all honesty I think it's going to be a very long time before we can all talk about these things together again - that well has been poisoned. Reality is whatever you want it to be now

But let's start very late in the game with the Mike Pence situation. This is not normal or reasonable behavior

How did we get here, and why does everyone seem to accept this as just politics as usual?

Im sure some unbalanced person or persons feel this way about Pence but that's not the average attitude. I suspect you know that but what to stir into the pot anyway.

a reply to: some_stupid_name

If you were interested in having an honest conversation, you would have given me a real reply to my question

It's you that's stirring the pot

Obviously, it's an unbalanced view of the world. Yes

Why go after me instead of explaining why nobody in Trump's camp speaks out against this sort of thing?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: network dude
Interesting response 🙂

Not tarring and feathering at all. Wondering

We all are. Why is this acceptable? Why don't Trump supporters speak out against this sort of thing?

I personally have never heard another human speak those words, if I did I would call them out. I condemn anyone who seeks violence against pence for doing his job as expected. Now that it's been condemned do you feel you can put your concern at a lower state?

a reply to: some_stupid_name

Now that it's been condemned do you feel you can put your concern at a lower state?

You haven't answered the question except to kind of make fun of it

I'm talking about your party. It seems that anything goes. Nobody will speak out agains even the most awful stuff

Things have changed. Attitudes. What people are willing to accept or tolerate

The few conservatives that do speak out against any of it are cancelled, or have their lives threatened

How did we get here?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: some_stupid_name

“How did we here?”

By assuming Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon were looking out for you.

edit on 22-12-2023 by Myhandle because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: some_stupid_name

Now that it's been condemned do you feel you can put your concern at a lower state?

You haven't answered the question except to kind of make fun of it

I'm talking about your party. It seems that anything goes. Nobody will speak out agains even the most awful stuff

Things have changed. Attitudes. What people are willing to accept or tolerate

The few conservatives that do speak out against any of it are cancelled, or have their lives threatened

How did we get here?

I did answer the question you just want to hear politicians say the words. I'll look but I doubt anyone who has, made any news headlines.

Things have changed the question is weather or not these changes bring us closer together as one nation or drive us further apart. You can't force some changes they have to happen organically and I know that takes longer but in the long run your society will benefit from it, tolerance is the civilized response. I don't think you are prepared to push for an absolute change to what you are "willing to accept or tolerate" but if that is the road you wish to choose that's on you. I blame people who fail at tolerance as the ones making those horrible threats against certain individuals and luckily for both of us those threats are illegal and can be prosecuted.

You asked how we got here, I think it's part of someones bigger plan but I have nothing at this time I can point you to as a smoking gun for that it's just a feeling.

a reply to: some_stupid_name

I did answer the question you just want to hear politicians say the words. I'll look but I doubt anyone who has, made any news headlines

This is it exactly. Exactly! I know many conservative individuals who will be as objective as hell in private. Seldom in public, and it's never ever coming from the establishment

You asked how we got here, I think it's part of someones bigger plan but I have nothing at this time I can point you to as a smoking gun for that it's just a feeling.

I don't have an answer either. Or, all my little theories are too fragmented and convoluted to add up to anything useful

You think Trump is the guy to put this country on the right track again? You can guess how I feel, but I'm not looking to pick a fight. I'm honestly trying to understand this

The whole post was good, but pulled these two quotes for a reason

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: some_stupid_name

Now that it's been condemned do you feel you can put your concern at a lower state?

You haven't answered the question except to kind of make fun of it

I'm talking about your party. It seems that anything goes. Nobody will speak out agains even the most awful stuff

Things have changed. Attitudes. What people are willing to accept or tolerate

The few conservatives that do speak out against any of it are cancelled, or have their lives threatened

How did we get here?

I never ever here any of the dems speak out against Biden for what was said about him in his daughter's diary in having inappropriate showers and coming into her room and getting in bed with her.
I never ever heard any of the left speak out against child trafficking.
I never ever heard the left speak out against Biden sniffing and fondling children.
I never ever heard the left speak out against grooming children.
How do you not speak out and just accept all this?
How did we get here? I have an answer.
The easiest way to allow evil to prosper, is for good men to say and do nothing

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Trolls gonna troll I guess

Hello Simulated Farmer 🙂

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Trolls gonna troll I guess

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