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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
originally posted by: Euronymous2625
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
If you took the Vax you are Now a Member of the Living Dead . You got 5 Years Left MAX...........
Lol. Sure. It's been almost 3 years since my first shot, and I have zero health problems. Is 5 years the new goal post? It was 3 months, then 6 months, then a year, then 18 months, 2 years... yet we keep on living.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain. Doesn't matter what is
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
Yes. That is correct.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.
Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
Yes. That is correct.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.
Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.
This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
Yes. That is correct.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.
Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.
This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.
This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.
Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora
Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.
As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).
Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.
There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.
Science already has access to the data.
originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut
So you are saying because of a data breach a red flag involving a public health emergency can never be made available to the public. That is like saying nazi extermination camps are a matter of national security, so any discussion of them is forbidden. I think we are at a philosophical impasse.
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
Yes. That is correct.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.
Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.
This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.
This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.
Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora
Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.
As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).
Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.
There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.
Science already has access to the data.
If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.
The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.
originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain. Doesn't matter what is
No. He tried going through proper channels first with a Prime Minister that got elected on a mandate of having an investigation into the death jabs.
After his leadership and executive team just stuck their head in the sand like you, going public is how it works. A lot of care went into protecting the individual privacy first, as for the results of this data, it speaks for itself, paid for by public funds.
If you are are work and see people dying, do you say something or shut up because it is not in your economic or political interest?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain. Doesn't matter what is
No. He tried going through proper channels first with a Prime Minister that got elected on a mandate of having an investigation into the death jabs.
He claims that, but he really first took the data to Liz Gunn, an anti-vaxxer and anti-government conspiracist. He had been collaborating with Liz Gun since prior to the election, and doing so, months before he sent the e-mails to ministers. He may also have posted the data to the overseas site months before it was discovered, but I have no information on that.
He also wrote an e-mail to the Deputy PM, not the PM. He wrote another e-mail to a group of many members of Parliament and they, in turn, contacted the health ministry, Te Whatu Ora, who contacted the police about the data breach when they were aware it had happened.
After his leadership and executive team just stuck their head in the sand like you, going public is how it works. A lot of care went into protecting the individual privacy first, as for the results of this data, it speaks for itself, paid for by public funds.
If you are are work and see people dying, do you say something or shut up because it is not in your economic or political interest?
I am not seeing any appreciable numbers of people dying of the vaccine. Not personally, nor in the statistics.
There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn
There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.
Science already has access to the data.
There have been a total of 7,231 deaths, from any cause, in New Zealand in 2023.
In 2022, there were 7,182 - a difference of 49 deaths between years.
In 2021, there were 7,132 a difference of 50 deaths between years.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
Yes. That is correct.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.
Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.
This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.
This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.
Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora
Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.
As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).
Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.
There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.
Science already has access to the data.
If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.
The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.
In New Zealand, they have not covered up data regarding deaths caused by the vaccine. There have been four deaths due to the vaccine and vaccine safety is closely monitored.
Overview of Vaccine Reports
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rosby123
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques
If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.
Yes. That is correct.
But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.
Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.
This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.
This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.
Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora
Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.
As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).
Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.
There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.
Science already has access to the data.
If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.
The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.
In New Zealand, they have not covered up data regarding deaths caused by the vaccine. There have been four deaths due to the vaccine and vaccine safety is closely monitored.
Overview of Vaccine Reports
We don't know this and we can't trust government sources for a failed campaign.