Why did the universe start…

a reply to: SchrodingersRat

Thank you for sharing. It's rather something interesting to try and comprehend.

a reply to: JJproductions

What your post is saying is every day of our lives the universe started especially for every day to exist, even for the days we aren't alive.

There is no start it's beyond our understanding as simple as the chicken and the egg riddle .

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Hence all the chickens and eggs every day.

a reply to: Unharmed

Turtles! All the way down!

I'm sure someone mentioned that...

On a bad day I claim it's SSDD. Same # different day.

Seems to ring true that it's all the same, especially if reality is infinite. I'm hopeful that a scenario like that being reality doesn't negate free will and the possibility of difference since there's got to be a reason everything is on repeat... right?

a reply to: JJproductions

Does there need to be a reason for everything? Humans always demand reason as we live much of our time in an abstract world where reason can be real, or fantasy based.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
There is no start it's beyond our understanding as simple as the chicken and the egg riddle .

What we know as existence has space, time, limits, and is finite, so it is impossible to think about a place with no time, no limits, is infinite...

To keep our heads from exploding we just call it God to keep it simple and explain away the unexplainable.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well yes, there is nothing but reason because without it we simply wouldn't exist.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Animals aren't cursed with thought until we force it upon them.

Eh?

You say animals don't commit suicide? They often don't bother with the thoughts man does either but if push comes to shove a bear will charge at a wall knowing full well it's neck will snap and that's coming from a species that will normally eat it's own or happily destroy the youth of others.

We're not all that different deep down ya know. Reason? Tis but an excuse.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: JJproductions

Does there need to be a reason for everything? Humans always demand reason as we live much of our time in an abstract world where reason can be real, or fantasy based.

Cause and effect

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
There is no start it's beyond our understanding as simple as the chicken and the egg riddle .

Have you ever considered the case where the cause can be simultaneously the effect without trying to bring God into the conversation.

a reply to: Hankervild

That's well spoken sir or madam.

Welcome to ATS btw

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Hankervild

That's well spoken sir or madam.

Welcome to ATS btw

Thank you Sir!

originally posted by: Unharmed

Well yes, there is nothing but reason because without it we simply wouldn't exist.

With life, there are reasons because of how life evolves with action/reaction, cause/effect, but there doesn't need to be a reason for our sun to form, the earth to form, and the universe to form. There also doesn't need to be a reason why humans are here. Run the earth again 1 billion years ago and life would still be here, but different than it is today with humans not here.

originally posted by: RAY1990

Animals aren't cursed with thought until we force it upon them.

Eh?

You say animals don't commit suicide? They often don't bother with the thoughts man does either but if push comes to shove a bear will charge at a wall knowing full well it's neck will snap and that's coming from a species that will normally eat it's own or happily destroy the youth of others.

We're not all that different deep down ya know. Reason? Tis but an excuse.

I'm saying there doesn't need to be a reason for why things happen as they do. We look for reason just like we look in the clouds and see a bunny. As I said in my other post if we reran Earth starting 1 billion years ago humans would not be here, and other life would be different too.

originally posted by: Hankervild

Cause and effect

I agree, but that isn't some form of reason.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Cause and effect?

We make reasons because we think.

Give us a cage and an issue and we'll think. Some might call it domestication. I'm not that clever to work it out tbh but I have seen animals kill themselves whilst trying to understand.

Usually they were captured or forced to think.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Hankervild

Cause and effect

I agree, but that isn't some form of reason.

It's a physical observation and you can reason based on this axiom.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm saying there doesn't need to be a reason for why things happen as they do. We look for reason just like we look in the clouds and see a bunny. As I said in my other post if we reran Earth starting 1 billion years ago humans would not be here, and other life would be different too.

We're good at patterns. The reasoning may be wrong but the interconnectedness might not be.

Everything we know is based on patterns, it's written in DNA.

Hence why I struggle to grow Basil outside of it's normal growing season. Sure I can trick it but as soon as it suffers a certain temperature or lighting it'll resort back to it's "I'm gonna die waaa!" Attitude.

Physics cannot be changed... the sun must be including the stars and the rest of it too. Just might not be our Sun as you say. There'll always be a Sol though, to say otherwise would be literally unimaginable

a reply to: Xtrozero

What I see is you're saying you want everything and everybody dead.