Censoring and Silencing University Staff and Students who criticise the State of Israel

originally posted by: AlongCameaSpider

originally posted by: Leviathan4
nypost.com...

More than 100 Harvard professors slam university president for bowing to donor ‘pressure’ and condemning antisemitism

More than 100 Harvard professors have sent a letter to university president Claudine Gay, condemning her for issuing a statement opposing antisemitism on campus — claiming she was bowing to the interests of wealthy donors and alumni, and was infringing on the free speech of students.

Part of the letter

As Harvard faculty, we have been astonished by the pressure from donors, alumni, and even some on this campus to silence faculty, students, and staff critical of the actions of the State of Israel. It is important to acknowledge the patronizing tone and format of much of the criticism you have received as well as the outright racism contained in some of it.

We were nevertheless profoundly dismayed by your November 9 message entitled “Combating Antisemitism.” The University's commitment to intellectual freedom and open dialogue seems to be giving way to something else entirely: a model of education in which the meaning of terms once eligible for interpretation is prescribed from above by a committee whose work was, on Tuesday, described to the faculty as only beginning


There must, however, be room on a university campus for debate about the actions of states, including of the State of Israel. It cannot be ruled as ipso facto antisemitic to question the actions of this particular ethno-nationalist government any more than it would be ipso facto racist to question the actions of Robert Mugabe's ethno-nationalist government in Zimbabwe. Nor can arguments that characterize Israel as an “apartheid" state or its recent actions as “ethnic cleansing” or even “genocide” be considered automatically antisemitic, regardless of whether one concurs with such arguments. The University’s recently-announced “Discrimination and Bullying Policies and Procedures,” it is useful to remember, includes “political belief” (and thus presumably its expression) as a protected category.

Who would have thought it that the President of Harvard University would succumb to pressures to choose a particular side on this conflict and brand criticisms against the Israeli Government and State as antisemitism. But that's nothing new, Freedom of Speech is fine unless there are criticisms against the ultra right wing fascistoids of the Israeli Government and Armed Forces who have slaughtered over 10,000 civilians in the name of self defense.

The antisemitic card has failed long time ago and it only exposes the position of those who unequivocally support Israel and its actions. Even in the various threads on this site we have seen similar debunked arguments where legitimate criticisms against the mass killings of thousands of innocent civilians have been branded as antisemitism, Hamas and terrorism support, and Nazi sympathy. They have been debunked again and again but nevertheless it's funny when you see them around.

The reasonable course of action is for the President of Harvard to resign and to realise the gaffe she made succumbing to pressures by external wealthy donors(!) and lobby groups or individuals, who want to censor or even silence the criticisms against the Israeli State. But it's too late for this by now as the entire world has witnessed the massacre of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, many of whom were children and women.

No one cares about Harvard professors and their antisemitism masked as a problem of censorship.

You parrot the same rhetoric. You support Hamas under a false agenda of caring about Palestinians.

Wrap your package of dog crap however you want, most of us see it for what it is. A bag of crap.

Yes, we should only care about random online posters.

Who cares about Harvard Professors in our days...

Support for ceasefire isn't support for Hamas. This is a debunked argument you keep pushing and is getting debunked again and again.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Leviathan4

So being anti-Semitic is good now?

Gross.

You meant 'antisemitic'

Correct someone else.

You think hating Jews is good.

That is not good in my opinion.

No it's corrected you because you were wrong.
Making the same deliberate mistake as everyone else who doesn't have a valid argument and plays the anti-semitic card.

So you are FOR hating Jews, but don't think it's anti-Semitic?

It is not free speech.

There is no clause that allows anyone to infringe upon the rights of others.

And if you're calling for the death of Jews, then that is an infringement of rights.

And is illegal.

.

False equivalency for once more and strawman argument.

Criticism of Israel isn't antisemitism or hate of Jews. That's a debunked argument that you keep circulating.

If that was true then it will also make all those Jews who criticise Israel Jew Haters and anti-semitic like Mrs Weiss who is a holocaust survivor

www.greenleft.org.au...

Holocaust survivor: Israel is turning Gaza into a 'death camp'

Suzanne Weiss, a Jewish Holocaust survivor, socialist activist and author of Holocaust to Resistance, gave this speech at a 25,000-strong November 4 Palestine solidarity rally in Toronto, Canada, where she called for an immediate ceasefire and for an end to the genocide in Gaza.

“Gas chambers and the hundreds of concentration camps which starved, tortured, and eliminated Jews by disease, is repeated today in the Gaza concentration camp — the largest concentration camp in the world!

“Death chambers and ovens have been replaced in Gaza with tons of bombs that destroys all in their path. Gaza has become a death camp,” Weiss said, condemning Zionism as racist colonialism.

“Conflating Zionism and Judaism is an unforgiveable crime to the Jewish people, to the Palestinians and to humanity,” Weiss added

You guys have lost the information war. The more you post the worse it becomes as you have zero arguments to support your position.

Mrs Weiss refutes all the strawman arguments and the false equivalencies you made.

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Leviathan4

So being anti-Semitic is good now?

Gross.

You meant 'antisemitic'

Correct someone else.

You think hating Jews is good.

That is not good in my opinion.

pointing out wrongdoings with ample evidence is not hate..much like how you have been corrected....does not mean we hate.......u

They're just making false equivalencies and strawman arguments in the absence of any valid arguments.

It's precisely the topic of this thread but they still choose to push a range of debunked arguments.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Leviathan4

I think every single college student who engages in a protest should immediately be expelled for inciting violence, no matter their preferred cause.

Moorpark professor arrested in death of Jewish protester Paul Kessler in Thousand Oaks

[www.latimes.com...]

It's a sad day when professors turn into murderers over differing opinions.

None of these has happened or will happen as there is no hate speech in this case. Funny that you mentioned it...

originally posted by: Jhayesdvm
a reply to: Leviathan4

The same people who continue to cry about right wing extremists are literally defending hate speech. They also don't seem to mind when Biden censors and infringes on constitutional rights. But, no, hate speech is not protected. 100 staff too? Lol. Your outliers are worthless. Not only are they vastly outnumbered, but the university risks losi g dinations and getting sued out of existence. Additionally, they've already censored conservative speakers at their university. We're they upset about that? Of course not. Nevermind that NOT stopping it or condemning it, according to left logic, is tantamount to sponsoring it. Now you have a university sponsoring hate speech that targets individuals both based on race and religion. Ever heard of civil rights? Of course you haven't. You clearly dont respect them at least. Regardless, they're there for everyone, not just your deplorable friends.

Censoring and silencing individuals is just terrible whether it comes from the left or the right part of the ideological spectrum. If now the right wants to censor people in Universities just as the left does on many occasions then we need to call them out for what they do.

Hate speech? Nah. That's a false equivalency argument for once more. This is a debunked argument that you guys keep pushing.

originally posted by: Variable2027again
a reply to: Leviathan4

Bruh, seriously? From your post (and this is a bad thing for you?)

“More than 100 Harvard professors have sent a letter to university president Claudine Gay, condemning her for issuing a statement opposing antisemitism on campus”

So you advocate antisemitism?

The post meant 'antisemitism' i.e every criticism against Israel has been branded as such.

You shouldn't take things out of context and you should read the rest of the story...

From the OP

There must, however, be room on a university campus for debate about the actions of states, including of the State of Israel. It cannot be ruled as ipso facto antisemitic to question the actions of this particular ethno-nationalist government any more than it would be ipso facto racist to question the actions of Robert Mugabe's ethno-nationalist government in Zimbabwe. Nor can arguments that characterize Israel as an “apartheid" state or its recent actions as “ethnic cleansing” or even “genocide” be considered automatically antisemitic, regardless of whether one concurs with such arguments. The University’s recently-announced “Discrimination and Bullying Policies and Procedures,” it is useful to remember, includes “political belief” (and thus presumably its expression) as a protected category.

Clearly the President has succumbed to pressures by donors and sponsors and lobby groups to call every criticism of Israel anti-semitism. That merits a resignation by the President of Harvard.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Leviathan4

They aren't censoring. They are fact-checking. It works both ways...

When you call criticisms of Israel as anti-semitism and depart from its correct definition means you are trying to censor and silence students and staff.

It's the old debunked argument that criticisms of the State of Israel is anti-semitism. People who have no valid arguments and don't have a leg to stand on in these conversations make these desperate attempts

So how did censorship of covid go? Now we have censorship on the rise in all cause mortality.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There is no clause that allows anyone to infringe upon the rights of others.

Agree.

a reply to: nugget1

I think every single college student who engages in a protest should immediately be expelled for inciting violence, no matter their preferred cause.

So calling for a ceasefire is inciting violence, lol. Sounds like you have a promising career at the Ministry of Truth with that kind of group think happening.

Are you getting worried of this thing getting out of hand with the approach Israel is taking, lot of people are. This ain't over yet.

originally posted by: Mawdano

Jews support anti-Zionism against the atrocities committed by Israel.

They will be called (and they have been called) anti-semitices and self hating Jews.

Anyone can see the range of desperate arguments made when there is nothing else there.

From my other thread

www.greenleft.org.au...

Holocaust survivor Suzanne Weiss

“Death chambers and ovens have been replaced in Gaza with tons of bombs that destroys all in their path. Gaza has become a death camp,” Weiss said, condemning Zionism as racist colonialism.

“Conflating Zionism and Judaism is an unforgiveable crime to the Jewish people, to the Palestinians and to humanity

originally posted by: DBCowboy
So you are FOR hating Jews, but don't think it's anti-Semitic?

It is not free speech.

There is no clause that allows anyone to infringe upon the rights of others.

And if you're calling for the death of Jews, then that is an infringement of rights.

And is illegal.

Opposition to the state of Israel's action is not antisemitism. It's not hatred even. Hatred for sure exists at the extreme ends of both perspectives where they feel it has to be either HAMAS or Israel. That everyone must take a side. You are a reflection of just one end of that, but I know that it exists at the other end too even if it is not as well expressed here.

In between are just a load of regular folks who are caught in the cross-fire, who have no role in any of the decision making, just dragged along for the ride. Being concerned for them, both Israeli and Palestinian, and requesting that diplomatic efforts be put before more violent ones, is not about hating anyone, just that thing called war and a recognition of it's futility.

You may need to see the world in black and white, but it is not, you, and they, are wrong.

a reply to: Leviathan4

They will be called (and they have been called) anti-semitices and self hating Jews.

I call it antizionist. Zionism is about plans for an European(and others) invasion of the Middle East. If we are to invade this place in a way that is sustainable with all the cultural shock going on, then move their, live with the locals, get to know their ideas and they will want to know yours.

To replay WW2 with some upgraded tech has trouble all over it.

a reply to: Terpene

My sentiments exactly, you've expressed.

I wonder why anyone would think Israel's feelz are more important that the feelz of thousands of innocent noncombatant civilians.

a reply to: Leviathan4

None of these has happened or will happen as there is no hate speech in this case. Funny that you mentioned it...

Uh....it did happen and has even been reported on the MS evening news. Do you not keep up with current events or is there some other disconnect that keeps you in denial of current events and facts?

originally posted by: Variable2027again
a reply to: Leviathan4

Bruh, seriously? From your post (and this is a bad thing for you?)

“More than 100 Harvard professors have sent a letter to university president Claudine Gay, condemning her for issuing a statement opposing antisemitism on campus”

So you advocate antisemitism?

Have you only just noticed?

originally posted by: nugget1

It's a sad day when professors turn into murderers over differing opinions.

This is a perfect example of how dangerous it
is to give a "Professor" power to teach lies.

When confronted in real life with the truth,
the weak minded teacher lost it and showed
his true murderous self.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

Censoring and silencing individuals is just terrible whether it comes from the left or the right part of the ideological spectrum. If now the right wants to censor people in Universities just as the left does on many occasions then we need to call them out for what they do.

Do you have a job? Can you say anything you want without repercussions?

Why are you suggesting this is a Right or Left event? Speaking of silencing, what has these universities been doing for like decades with silencing anyone on the Right.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: nugget1

It's a sad day when professors turn into murderers over differing opinions.

This is a perfect example of how dangerous it
to give a "Professor" power to teach lies.

When confronted in real life with the truth,
the weak minded teacher lost it and showed
his true murderous self.

Is this a prime example of the brave non-violent professors to which this topic pertains?

Or are you agreeing that if you can find one example of a teacher anywhere inflicting violence on a the Jewish people, then the predisposition to violence against Jewish people is shared among all teachers who speak out against violations of free-speech and disinformation as it pertains to Israel.

I hope not on both accounts, because that would be following some irreparably broken logic into the pit of hell.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Leviathan4

Censoring and silencing individuals is just terrible whether it comes from the left or the right part of the ideological spectrum. If now the right wants to censor people in Universities just as the left does on many occasions then we need to call them out for what they do.

Do you have a job? Can you say anything you want without repercussions?

Why are you suggesting this is a Right or Left event? Speaking of silencing, what has these universities been doing for like decades with silencing anyone on the Right.

Can you begin posting in a thread without resorting to ad hominem attacks?

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Leviathan4

None of these has happened or will happen as there is no hate speech in this case. Funny that you mentioned it...

Uh....it did happen and has even been reported on the MS evening news. Do you not keep up with current events or is there some other disconnect that keeps you in denial of current events and facts?

Would you please show us all your card and direct us to the incident of antisemitism that made the president of Harvard issue a statement that only addresses the prejudice against one specific group of people?