Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK

Actually sipping a cup of tea in Britanistan right now reading this lol
Totally agree, it matters # all what Brit's think about world events really, we're a tiny nation with a tiny military now.
If it weren't for nuclear weapons, and our usefulness of making dirty cash clean for oligarchs, we'd be as irrelevant as the Isle's of Scilly!

The Brits can be almost insufferable at times but don't sell yourselves short. Brits are some of the strongest, hard-ass fighters in the world. We would joke that the ISAF patch (International Security Assistance Force) actually stood for I Saw Americans Fighting. Many countries involved kind of played war, but not the Brits. They were always side by side with us, 100% dependable in everything. There are big reasons America and England are close in many ways that people just do not know, I hope it never goes away.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Did you conveniently 'forget' and you pushed the debunked argument that protestors are Hamas supporters....

Unlike you I neither conveniently forget or ignore anything.
There was a large section of those protesting who not only supported a ceasefire - who with? - but also showed support for Hamas and its terrorist activities.

It hasn't been 'debunked' at all, except obviously in your own imagination.

You seem to be all over the place with your arguments.

How so?

Your next left wing Government is in trouble long before they are voted in power.

Possibly.
Bear in mind they are a shower of #e.
Just like The Conservative Party.

If you want to claim that all MPs who voted for ceasefire are Muslims then you can show it. Are they

Not all, but a lot.....and that includes the councillors who have resigned.

Cllr Anwar was joined by Ishtiaq Mohammed, Shah Hussain, Asif Raja, Sehrish Lone, Syeda Kazmi, Arif Khan, Lubna Khan, Saeed Chaudhary and Nussrat Kazmi. The resignation statement, was also been shared on behalf of community activists Zahid Khan and Aurangzaib Ali and County Councillor Usman Arif.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...

And don't forget the self-righteous, middle-class trustafarian, SJW, 'tofu eating wokerati'.

I forgot to ask you whether you're in support of ceasefire....

Unequivocally; NO.

a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK

Totally agree, it matters # all what Brit's think about world events really, we're a tiny nation with a tiny military now.
If it weren't for nuclear weapons, and our usefulness of making dirty cash clean for oligarchs, we'd be as irrelevant as the Isle's of Scilly!

Yet still so many people are obsessed with what we say, do and think.

And with the exception of the US we are the first country everyone comes to when they want and/or need support.

You under-estimate us.

Shame.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Leviathan4

Did you conveniently 'forget' and you pushed the debunked argument that protestors are Hamas supporters....

Unlike you I neither conveniently forget or ignore anything.
There was a large section of those protesting who not only supported a ceasefire - who with? - but also showed support for Hamas and its terrorist activities.

It hasn't been 'debunked' at all, except obviously in your own imagination.

You seem to be all over the place with your arguments.

How so?

Your next left wing Government is in trouble long before they are voted in power.

Possibly.
Bear in mind they are a shower of #e.
Just like The Conservative Party.

If you want to claim that all MPs who voted for ceasefire are Muslims then you can show it. Are they

Not all, but a lot.....and that includes the councillors who have resigned.

Cllr Anwar was joined by Ishtiaq Mohammed, Shah Hussain, Asif Raja, Sehrish Lone, Syeda Kazmi, Arif Khan, Lubna Khan, Saeed Chaudhary and Nussrat Kazmi. The resignation statement, was also been shared on behalf of community activists Zahid Khan and Aurangzaib Ali and County Councillor Usman Arif.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...

And don't forget the self-righteous, middle-class trustafarian, SJW, 'tofu eating wokerati'.

I forgot to ask you whether you're in support of ceasefire....

Unequivocally; NO.

Let's see this again as you have not answered but tried to go around as usual.

They have been trying to censor and silence people but they haven't succeeded so far. It's pointless you try to write whole essays to convince the audience. You can't do it when you don't have any valid arguments and when you unequivocally support Israel.

You asked what comment I am referring to
Here it is, unless you don't remember what you're writing down or conveniently 'forget'. Let's see this again:

300,000 people were allowed, and protected, to march through London on Remembrance weekend of all weekends expressing their support for Hamas terrorists and in opposition to government and the opposition party's stance?

Did you conveniently 'forget' and you pushed the debunked argument that protestors are Hamas supporters.... You seem to be doing so in a number of threads.

You said that those people are Hamas supporters. Well ..prove it. It has been debunked again and again but if you insist then it's all yours.

You seem to be all over the place with your arguments.

Your next left wing Government is in trouble long before they are voted in power.

If you want to claim that all MPs who voted for ceasefire are Muslims then you can show it. Are they? Show the list of the MPs and see how many are Muslims

Most of the world is in support of ceasefire. Only the hard line supporters of Israel, ultra right wing fascistoids and Evangelical Christians are against. And the insane of course.

Start by proving the debunked argument that all those protesters are Hamas supporters and then show that all those MPs are Muslims. You make like very difficult for yourself.

Of course you are in support of the continuation of the war together with the groups described above like ultra right wing fascistoids, warmongers, some Evangelical Christians and a few others.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"Most of the world is in support of ceasefire. Only the hard line supporters of Israel, ultra right wing fascistoids and Evangelical Christians are against. And the insane of course."

"Only"?

Way to label and insult folk that have different views to yours.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

"Oh wheeee! The evil humanists called us names for supporting a genocidal campaign blindly."

Poor folks with their differing views on the same basic human rights they claim for themselves. We pity them for their inconsistencies already!

a reply to: Insurrectile

"We"?

Ahem. Hamas have genocide in their Charter. Bong!?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

We, as in the "Royal We". I also identify as your majesty, if that is closer to home.

Hamas have genocide in their Charter.

So does this unity gubbermint, and we shant gloss over the murders happening in the West Bank.

a reply to: Insurrectile

I see. Put the Bong down.....

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Okay, Boomer.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

"Most of the world is in support of ceasefire. Only the hard line supporters of Israel, ultra right wing fascistoids and Evangelical Christians are against. And the insane of course."

"Only"?

Way to label and insult folk that have different views to yours.

Did any group get omitted from the list?

Help us out with that list, please.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Yes.lots of normal Jewish folk, lots of Brits, the majority of our MPs? And so on

a reply to: Leviathan4

You are so tedious.

It's pointless you try to write whole essays to convince the audience.

Unfortunately I have to try and break it down in as simple and easy to understand a way for you to even begin to understand....but still you blatantly refuse to acknowledge an explanation despite it being given to you time and time again.

Woeful comprehension skills or wilful ignorance....or both?

So I'll try again, for the umpteenth time; many, not all, but many of the protesters were vocally and physically expressing support for HAMAS.

No-one has debunked that FACT at all, except in your imagination.

You seem to be all over the place with your arguments.

I've asked you time and time again to actually explain this but all you do is constantly repeat the statement and believe in you own imagination again that you've 'debunked' or proven something.

So again; explain this with actual examples.

Your next left wing Government is in trouble long before they are voted in power.

Quite possibly.
Who's disputing this?
Just shows how incompetent The Tories are at present.
What point are you making?

If you want to claim that all MPs who voted for ceasefire are Muslims then you can show it. Are they? Show the list of the MPs and see how many are Muslims

Never said ALL of them are.
Repeatedly stated that LOTS of them are.
You do know the difference between LOTS and ALL don't you?

I also said that lots of Councillors etc who have resigned are Muslims.
Care to dispute that?

And lots of progressive, self-indulging, self-hating, do-gooding, SJW, 'tofu eating wokerati'.
No comment on that?

Most of the world is in support of ceasefire.

Possibly.
That seems to be the narrative MSM are trying to project.
But I'm expressing my own personal opinion and not 'the world's'.

You do understand that, don't you?

Only the hard line supporters of Israel, ultra right wing fascistoids and Evangelical Christians are against. And the insane of course.

Well I'm none of them - possibly insane - and neither are the vast majority of people I know most of whom have similar opinions to me.

Of course you are in support of the continuation of the war.....

A subtlety I'm certain you're incapable of grasping but I don't necessarily support the continuation of the war, I just fail to see how else Israel could have reacted to the Hamas terrorist attacks and no-one else has ever offered up a viable alternative option.

Please tell me exactly how Israel should have reacted?
What would you have done or advocated were you an Israeli?
How would you ensure the safety and well being of your fellow countryfolk against the constant, never-ending threat of more Hamas attacks like October 7th?

The only bonus about replying to you is not having to actually watch much of England's pitiful performance tonight.

a reply to: Freeborn

Please tell me exactly how Israel should have reacted?

The bourgeoisie sitting on it's hands and we can solve their mess in chat boards again? How about no? Off to the next defeat you go, one might even say it's well deserved.

a reply to: Insurrectile

What defeat are you talking about?

This isn't a challenge or a competition.
Its a debate, a discussion and/or an exchange of opinions.

But yet again, quick to criticise yet slow with a solution.
No viable alternative to give at all - so predictable.

a reply to: Freeborn

Well. You'll need it spoon fed for you convenience since we didn't see you around while it was being discussed? Predictable, I guess that's your other Keir Starmer moment then?

"And he suffered another major defeat, painting his demise."

a reply to: Insurrectile

So, no solution then?

And nothing of merit, at all?

Not around?
When?

Please explain and/or elaborate.

a reply to: Insurrectile

So, no solution then?

And nothing of merit, at all?

Not around?
When?

Please explain and/or elaborate.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Leviathan4

You are so tedious.

It's pointless you try to write whole essays to convince the audience.

Unfortunately I have to try and break it down in as simple and easy to understand a way for you to even begin to understand....but still you blatantly refuse to acknowledge an explanation despite it being given to you time and time again.

Woeful comprehension skills or wilful ignorance....or both?

So I'll try again, for the umpteenth time; many, not all, but many of the protesters were vocally and physically expressing support for HAMAS.

No-one has debunked that FACT at all, except in your imagination.

You seem to be all over the place with your arguments.

I've asked you time and time again to actually explain this but all you do is constantly repeat the statement and believe in you own imagination again that you've 'debunked' or proven something.

So again; explain this with actual examples.

Your next left wing Government is in trouble long before they are voted in power.

Quite possibly.
Who's disputing this?
Just shows how incompetent The Tories are at present.
What point are you making?

If you want to claim that all MPs who voted for ceasefire are Muslims then you can show it. Are they? Show the list of the MPs and see how many are Muslims

Never said ALL of them are.
Repeatedly stated that LOTS of them are.
You do know the difference between LOTS and ALL don't you?

I also said that lots of Councillors etc who have resigned are Muslims.
Care to dispute that?

And lots of progressive, self-indulging, self-hating, do-gooding, SJW, 'tofu eating wokerati'.
No comment on that?

Most of the world is in support of ceasefire.

Possibly.
That seems to be the narrative MSM are trying to project.
But I'm expressing my own personal opinion and not 'the world's'.

You do understand that, don't you?

Only the hard line supporters of Israel, ultra right wing fascistoids and Evangelical Christians are against. And the insane of course.

Well I'm none of them - possibly insane - and neither are the vast majority of people I know most of whom have similar opinions to me.

Of course you are in support of the continuation of the war.....

A subtlety I'm certain you're incapable of grasping but I don't necessarily support the continuation of the war, I just fail to see how else Israel could have reacted to the Hamas terrorist attacks and no-one else has ever offered up a viable alternative option.

Please tell me exactly how Israel should have reacted?
What would you have done or advocated were you an Israeli?
How would you ensure the safety and well being of your fellow countryfolk against the constant, never-ending threat of more Hamas attacks like October 7th?

The only bonus about replying to you is not having to actually watch much of England's pitiful performance tonight.

You Re making the false equivalency arguments that support for ceasefire is support for Hamas. That's a debunked argument that you are still keep pushing again and again and it has no merits and no evidence to support it. It had been debunked.

You seem not to have realised that a large number of not only Brits but ordinary citizens around the world are against the war and want this unpleasant situation to finish asap. Most of them are not Muslims. You have been making the clad that it's mostly Muslims bit that's not correct.

Those who want ceasefire and peace are not Hamas or terror supporters or Nazi sympathisers. The same thing was expressed by the Holocaust survivor Mrs Suzanne Weiss (and many other Jews) who want peace and prosperity and accuse not only Hamas but the State of Israel for committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Really damning for the propaganda that Israel is trying to push.

You also forgot that ceasefire was voted with overwhelming majority in the UN. Around 120 votes in favour a few abstained and a few voted against ceasefire. Your argument that people or countries want the war to continue had no basis.

The last part of your reply is the usual pseudo-dilema put in a number of threads. How else Israel can deal with the situation. Let's say by realising that killing thousands of innocent civilians will lead nowhere and that's a disastrous policy for the safety and security of the entire region.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Please tell me exactly how Israel should have reacted?
What would you have done or advocated were you an Israeli?
How would you ensure the safety and well being of your fellow countryfolk against the constant, never-ending threat of more Hamas attacks like October 7th?

We must try harder to realize the moral superiority of a position, that conveniently asks for a solution to the problems their own way of life and thought led to.

Good thing the ignorant proliferation of myths doesn't really afford our input! Those repetitive parts with the self-righteous denial always seem to find their way into the world without any help whatsoever. Who knew they could ignore the uptick of settler violence in the West Bank, in favor of the fellow countryfolk displacing entire villages and murdering over 100 Palestinians this year alone, all by their own?