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New 'Orwellian' HHS pronoun mandate forces employees to 'deny reality,' violate law

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posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: network dude



I really want to know who is pushing this. It feels very Chinaesque.



Outside influence may be part of it but I think the deep state is quite happy with this too. Just like the 'Rona insanity it serves both as obedience training and to create the potential for a huge backlash that can be triggered and harvested on demand.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 01:26 PM
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Why does everyone have to treat mental illness like it's something normal these days? Transgenderism is a mental illness just like body dysmorphia is a mental illness, if you see yourself as the opposite sex even though your entire anatomy says otherwise then you are suffering some sort of delusion.

This is a bunch of BS. I want to be called a helicopter, can I get my coworker fired because they refuse to call me a helicopter? What kind of ass backwards logic is this?



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
Severino first broke the story on X, formerly Twitter, last week. He wrote that HHS "imposed a transgender pronoun mandate on its employees who will now be forced to deny biological realities with their own words or face firing" and he included a screenshot of an email sent to employees at the department.

I'd like to hear from the vocal transgender community here. Do you feel it's OK to have someone fired for not using the pronouns you wish to be called by?


Man, talk about a tempest in a teacup. Here's the wording of the policy: "All applicants and employees should be addressed by the names and pronouns they use to describe themselves. Using correct names and pronouns helps foster workplaces free of discrimination and harassment."

Let's talk about social situations -- if a Black woman walks into your office (this actually happened to me on Tuesday) and said "My name is LaShaya" do you get offended and have cat-fits and say "Your name is Peekaboo on your first birth certificate and I don't care that you changed it to LaShaya, I'm calling you Peekaboo." or do you say "good afternoon, LaShaya"?

If someone mispronounces your name and you correct them and they keep on calling you by the mispronounced name no matter how many times you correct them -- is that still okay? (I have had this happen to me and I really hate it, by the way.)

Now you, as an Ordinary White Guy, probably don't get this kind of thing happening to you on an everyday basis but there are people who get misgendered (like my friend's mother, who is very tall and husky and has a very deep voice -- and gave birth to four children) and misnamed and it's frankly very stressful. If you're in a government office either asking for assistance or trying to get assistance or trying to solve a problem, it's going to add to your stress if someone keeps calling you the wrong name/wrong gender.

And having a coworker decide something like "I don't think your name is appropriate, I'm going to use another name" is an unpleasant work environment. For the record, yes, this happened to me. I never use my legal name (the name on my drivers' license), I loathe the name it but didn't change my name while my parents were alive. However, on every public record, I sign a different form of my name (example: signing "Pat" instead of "Patricia.") and always introduce myself by my preferred name. On all the medical forms I have them place a note to call me by my preferred name.

...and I STILL have people call me by the name I hate, even after I've corrected them five or six times ("Oh, but it's such a PRETTY name!")

(and y'know, just typing about it kind of raises my blood pressure.)

There's a subtle message, though, and it has to do with social power. My husband goes by his middle name (another version of this same thing) and once he corrects someone they use his preferred name. He doesn't have to struggle with telling someone multiple times to use his preferred name. I do (and when I get annoyed enough I will stare at them and growl "If you can't use my preferred name, then you can call me by my title -- DOCTOR.") And if I don't get that, I do walk out.

It's a lack of respect. In some cases it's just pure meanness.

So... "Qui bono"? Who benefits?

Some non-trans people really ARE gender ambiguous (I've met them) and you really can't tell if they're male or female unless you happen to see them up close and personal and naked. Having a pronoun to refer to makes things a LOT less awkward.

You're asked to call a rather feminine male "he/him" for five minutes. Do you call the cops? Call Fox News and gripe about nasty transgenders? Do you only gripe if male-to-female transgenders insist on preferred pronouns or do you growl about female-to-male as well? What's your measure for determining if they're true transgenders instead of one of those unusual people who are chimeras or perhaps have androgen insensitivity or are just simply on the "gender ambiguous" end of the scale?

I know first hand the benefit of people using my preferred name and preferred pronouns. What's the benefit of calling people by the wrong name or a gender that you assign to them?




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posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

Nice speech Byrd. As a manager, I've given similar speeches to employees several times over many years. It's called common courtesy and mutual respect.

But I think you know full well what we're addressing here is not courtesy or respect, but an agenda being forced on the public. Feed my delusion or I will punish you for it.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

It's lip service.

Try this experiment out. . . .

Anyone for it should be FOR calling me Sir DB from now on.

If not?

Then they are hypocrites.




posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Klassified

It's lip service.

Try this experiment out. . . .

Anyone for it should be FOR calling me Sir DB from now on.

If not?

Then they are hypocrites.



What's the problem there? People get called by titles all the time. I get called Dr. (Byrd).
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posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Klassified

It's lip service.

Try this experiment out. . . .

Anyone for it should be FOR calling me Sir DB from now on.

If not?

Then they are hypocrites.



What's the problem there? People get called by titles all the time. I get called Dr. (Byrd).


Ahem. . .

It's "Sir DB" please.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Byrd

Nice speech Byrd. As a manager, I've given similar speeches to employees several times over many years. It's called common courtesy and mutual respect.

But I think you know full well what we're addressing here is not courtesy or respect, but an agenda being forced on the public. Feed my delusion or I will punish you for it.


I'd like to point out that people have been feeding YOUR delusion that there are only two sexes (heck, even Judaism, the founding belief system from which Christianity sprang) recognized six sexes (source: www.nytimes.com... - also Lavee, Moshe. "Either Jews or Gentiles, Men or Women: The Talmudic Move from Legal to Essentialist Polarization of Identities." Jewish Studies Quarterly 25.4 (2018): 345-367., Lavee, Moshe, and Tali Artman Partock. "Four Sexes, Two Genders: The Rabbinic Move From Legal To Essentialist Polarisation of Identities." Jewish Studies 43 (2018): 49-87. etcetera) .

Ancient Egyptians recognized more than two genders. So did many other ancient cultures (see en.wikipedia.org...) and anyone even remotely familiar with Native Americans has come across the terms for transgenders.

So there's a history across the world of people accepting transgenders and even calling these people by their preferred pronouns.

The notion that there are only two genders is one forced upon the world in fairly recent times (past thousand years or so.) Transgender people would like a return to the old ways of (as you put it) "common courtesy and mutual respect."

You *might* encounter a transgender person two or three times in your lifetime (and in most cases wouldn't know it.)

How much harm will it cause you to call a transgender man "sir" and refer to him as "him"?

No, don't blather on about transgender women. It goes both ways. If you aren't going on a screed about transgender males while railing on about transgender women, the problem isn't transgenderism. It's sexism.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

Ahem. . .

It's "Sir DB" please.


I have no problem calling you "Sir DB" and would do so even if we met in person if you asked me to use the title and your name.

Seriously.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:09 PM
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I refuse profusely to entertain and participate in someone’s delusion.


edit on 9-11-2023 by NeonKnights because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: network dude
Nobody sees or even considers that it exists, the motionless UFO sitting on the kitchen table. 'Sorry to distort and tear asunder an old chestnut, but the mutilation was required to edge into the proper view on our very real reality in these days of fantastic alterations in our everyday world.

Suppose if I were to say, "I believe that I'm part alien, due to a couple of unusual factors and I want to be known as "Cosmo." And not only that, I would want special considerations for that claim socially, culturally, and governmentwise with hard laws, rules, regulations and all sorts of windfalls from government tailored to my claimed position?

That my friends, is exactly what is at play (which will be greatly helped by the eventual augmenting of talents of anybody that afford Musk's coming device or any one of the crop of others that will appear).

So not only kiss goodby to hard and fast terms like "Male" and "Female," but even any term of "alien," etc., because that term will probably be banned eventually as well as the "catch-and-release" abduction (and worse) interactions that they've had with us. You will obey and forget what you once knew.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Ahem. . .

It's "Sir DB" please.


I have no problem calling you "Sir DB" and would do so even if we met in person if you asked me to use the title and your name.

Seriously.


Thank you, ma'am.

We'll see if others are as altruistic as yourself.




posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: network dude

If you would insist on the correct spelling and people purposely misspelled it, they should absolutely get fired.

It's a form of bullying and has no place in a work environment.



We're talking about biological reality here, not mental illness eg. gender dysphoria or feewings. People mispronounce my name all the time, no biggy, sh!t happens, nothing to get fired over. Now, if somebody, like a CEO, called me a white kafir multiple times and I told him to stop, but he didn't, while I had a dozen military bases/keypoints, two borders and a weapon platform deployment under my purview, there's going to be an issue. Bad sh!t gonna happen, but hey, it's just business.

If somebody uses some offensive label repeatedly, that might be at least grounds for some kind of sanction, but firing for not supporting someone's mental illness, heeelllooooo, they can get a clue, rent one if they have to. Maybe these sissies should just get over themselves, get a thicker skin and stop sweating the small stuff.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Ahem. . .

It's "Sir DB" please.


I have no problem calling you "Sir DB" and would do so even if we met in person if you asked me to use the title and your name.

Seriously.


Thank you, ma'am.

We'll see if others are as altruistic as yourself.



Are you a Lord, as in own property in Scotland or wherever they apply the Sir title? If so, then you are Sir DBCowboy, potentially Knight of the ATS Tetrahedron Table. But then, I have an honorary PhD from Wits for my work on DEWs and rail guns to knock Russian Migs in Angola out of the sky and make it look like pilot error ;-) So I guess I become Dr. Bobs_Uruncle.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Ahem. . .

It's "Sir DB" please.


I have no problem calling you "Sir DB" and would do so even if we met in person if you asked me to use the title and your name.

Seriously.


Thank you, ma'am.

We'll see if others are as altruistic as yourself.



Are you a Lord, as in own property in Scotland or wherever they apply the Sir title? If so, then you are Sir DBCowboy, potentially Knight of the ATS Tetrahedron Table. But then, I have an honorary PhD from Wits for my work on DEWs and rail guns to knock Russian Migs in Angola out of the sky and make it look like pilot error ;-) So I guess I become Dr. Bobs_Uruncle.

Cheers - Dave


My wife and I bought some titles.




posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Ahem. . .

It's "Sir DB" please.


I have no problem calling you "Sir DB" and would do so even if we met in person if you asked me to use the title and your name.

Seriously.


Thank you, ma'am.

We'll see if others are as altruistic as yourself.



Are you a Lord, as in own property in Scotland or wherever they apply the Sir title? If so, then you are Sir DBCowboy, potentially Knight of the ATS Tetrahedron Table. But then, I have an honorary PhD from Wits for my work on DEWs and rail guns to knock Russian Migs in Angola out of the sky and make it look like pilot error ;-) So I guess I become Dr. Bobs_Uruncle.

Cheers - Dave


My wife and I bought some titles.



Lifestyles of the poor and obscure🤣



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 04:54 PM
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Many of the ancients also thought slavery, animal and human sacrifice, selling off their children, forcing people to murder one another in the arena, and a host of other activities were wholesome too, so it's no surprise some of them were also fine with LGBTQ...xyz and likely even encouraged it. The old ways aren't necessarily the right way.

This has been asked before, but if genitals don't determine gender, then why does removing them determine gender?

On a personal note: I was raised in the city. I wasn't always a country boy. I have known bi's, gays, TV's and even a few trans in my lifetime. I personally don't care what you do in your own life. You respect me, I will respect you as long as you don't force your views on me or my family.

Unfortunately, they couldn't do that. They want to force it on everyone. Drag queen story hour, transitioning and mutilating kids, and more. I've even heard "I'm here, I'm queer, and I'm coming for your kids." That's the kind of society you folks want?
No thanks.




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posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 05:58 PM
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They sure seem to easily get under the skin of those that tout their thick skin.
Must be something about that mental illness they both showcase...



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

an epitome of micromanaging turned around ass backwards.



posted on Nov, 9 2023 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

They sure seem to easily get under the skin of those that tout their thick skin.
Must be something about that mental illness they both showcase...
Please elaborate and explain. Need to know the difference.



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