Israeli Academic argues we could theoretically be just 24 hours away from a nuclear war

a reply to: Leviathan4

You seem to only condemn one side. I wonder why is this??


Hamas leader speaking about October 7 massacre…
“It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders, and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Taher El-Nounou, a Hamas media adviser, told The Times.“

You still want to defend them? Have at it. You’ll get nothing but push back from me.

These are both lame stream media refrences.
Russia and China only benefits from supplying arms grade enriched Uranium to Iran.
Makes those UAV's and training crews to operate them sent from Iran used against Ukraine cheaper if you barter.

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Amid the International Atomic Energy Agency’s disclosure this week that the Islamic Republic of Iran accumulated near weapons-grade enriched uranium for its alleged nuclear weapon program, Fox News Digital has learned that Iran has allegedly secured secret deals with Russia to guarantee deliveries of uranium.

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The waters of the Caspian Sea appear deceptively calm. But this sea route – which provides a direct path between Iran and Russia – is increasingly busy with cargo traffic, including suspected weapons transfers from Tehran to Moscow.

As cooperation between the two countries deepens, the Caspian Sea route is being used to move drones, bullets, and mortar shells that the Russian government has purchased from the Iranian regime to bolster its war effort in Ukraine, according to experts. Tracking data shows that vessels in the region are increasingly going “dark” – suggesting growing intent to obfuscate the movement of goods.

Last year, data from Lloyd’s List Intelligence revealed a September spike in the number of gaps in vessels tracking data in the Caspian. That’s shortly after the United States and Ukrainian governments say Moscow acquired drones from Tehran last summer. Russia’s use of Iranian drones increased in the fall, including against critical energy infrastructure in Ukraine.

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US bombs unlikely to reach underground Iran nuclear site: Report

New Iranian atomic facility near Natanz may be too deep underground to be destroyed by air raids, AP analysis says.

This satellite photo from Planet Labs PBC shows construction on a new underground facility at Iran's Natanz nuclear site near Natanz, Iran on April 14 [Planet Labs PBC via AP]

Published On 22 May 202322 May 2023

Near a peak of the Zagros Mountains in central Iran, workers are building a nuclear facility so deep in the earth that it is likely beyond the range of a last-ditch United States weapon designed to destroy such sites, according to experts and satellite imagery analysed by The Associated Press news agency.

The photos and videos from Planet Labs PBC show Iran has been digging tunnels in the mountain near the Natanz nuclear site, which has come under repeated sabotage attacks amid Tehran’s standoff with the West over its atomic programme.

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4

You seem to only condemn one side. I wonder why is this??


Hamas leader speaking about October 7 massacre…
“It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders, and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Taher El-Nounou, a Hamas media adviser, told The Times.“

You still want to defend them? Have at it. You’ll get nothing but push back from me.

My position is clear on this matter.

War crimes committed by Hamas cannot be answered with war crimes committed by Israel.

So I don't condemn just one side, like you do.

As for the academic, he has a point and he has also criticised Netanyahou and his Government as well as the State of Israel.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: Leviathan4

Nice shift of tactic there.

Israel needs to curl up and surrender to save the rest of the world?


We see you.

Never claimed that!
How did you invent the 'surrender' claim?

I always said that ceasefire is the best solution together with diplomacy just as the State Department Official has said in my other thread and many many others. There can only be a political solution to this problem.

But the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons isn't the worst outcome. Only lunatics can argue in favour of them.

Recent news coverage states Israel may keep boots on the ground, attempt to wipe out Hamas.
Calm their carnage, assit to rebuild and reinstate The Palestinian Authority. Israel suggested they do not want to govern Gaza.

originally posted by: aliensanonymous
Recent news coverage states Israel may keep boots on the ground, attempt to wipe out Hamas.
Calm their carnage, assit to rebuild and reinstate The Palestinian Authority. Israel suggested they do not want to govern Gaza.

Israel said the complete opposite, they will let Palestinians govern themselves but will not have complete sovereignty over what really matters.

a reply to: quintessentone

Thank you for the correction. News channels are sharing such polarising views depending on their, owners, producers or prefered flavour of faith. I heard the above statement on ABC Radio National in Australia.

Recently I finish work and listen to multiple sources to get differing views on the conflict. Took a break from war porn for the night.

Instictuly I feel the results of Israel's historic invasions and annexation of tertories belonging to other tribes and nations. Is a prelude for a repeat after this military incursion leads to prolonged occupation.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: aliensanonymous
Recent news coverage states Israel may keep boots on the ground, attempt to wipe out Hamas.
Calm their carnage, assit to rebuild and reinstate The Palestinian Authority. Israel suggested they do not want to govern Gaza.

Israel said the complete opposite, they will let Palestinians govern themselves but will not have complete sovereignty over what really matters.

Blinken said something very different today and expects after the end of the war Gaza to be returned to the Palestinians...whatever this means..

Good he didn't mention anything about nuclear weapons.

We've been a bear away from nuclear annihilation.

www.military.com...

90 seconds to midnight as of now.
The furthest we've ever been is 17 minutes.

Hell, for all we know at any second, space could expand to the point that the fabric of reality rips and erases us all instantly.

In other news, I picked up roller skating today.

Will most likely be here in 24 hours to practice and get better at it.

Keep living life without fear.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: Leviathan4

I always said that ceasefire is the best solution together with diplomacy just as the State Department Official has said in my other thread and many many others. There can only be a political solution to this problem.

“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders, and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Taher El-Nounou, a Hamas media adviser, told The Times.
“This battle was not because we wanted fuel or laborers,” he added. “It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.”
www.breitbart.com...

Read that however many times it takes until you understand that there’s no negotiating with terrorists.
They are telling the world what their plans are and acting upon those plans.
The only way out of this is the complete destruction of those terrorists.
Until then, all the death and destruction lies solely at the feet of hamas and their supporters.

a reply to: VermiIion

Exactly. You can't negotiate with that sort of terrorists.

They have no interest in peace, just the exact opposite.

originally posted by: TinfoilTophat
We've been a bear away from nuclear annihilation.

www.military.com...

90 seconds to midnight as of now.
The furthest we've ever been is 17 minutes.

Hell, for all we know at any second, space could expand to the point that the fabric of reality rips and erases us all instantly.

In other news, I picked up roller skating today.

Will most likely be here in 24 hours to practice and get better at it.

Keep living life without fear.

I don’t know about that. But a gamma ray burst from a distant star could have already been making its way to earth for years now.

a reply to: Lazy88

You really know how to cheer us up?

The light at the end of the tunnel, is an oncoming train.

Etc.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Ceasefire for Israel means surrender this battle and prepare for the next. History shows us that.

Please describe to me what you think is a long term solution that multiple US POTUS and many many diplomats in the UN and all the world hasn't been able to find.

What do you think would end this 'conflict' once and for all?

Why can't you tell us your own ideas instead of parrot infinately the same non-workable 'ceasefire' solution.

The last ceasefire ended Oct. 7.

SO what is the best long term solution?

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels

Exactly. Hamas have stated their intentions to continue their terrorist attacks. Humanitarian pause? Yes please. Permanent ceasefire, with Hamas stating their clear intent to continue their murderous attacks?

No point.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: TheValeyard

WW3 doesn't HAVE to be nuclear.

But it likely will.

If Muslim world, China and Russia take on the West, it is the apoppyclipse.

Im so very afraid for my grandsons. Ive never been this afraid.

Oh, I agree.
I think once US gets boots on the ground, the fight will drift into Iran, and Russia and China will take action.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Hamas held up the last ceasefire, Israel broke it. Do you need a link to fresh up your knowledge of history? Just ask!

Theoretically, space aliens could swoop down and render all nukes deadline.

Don’t believe the hype. This is the MIC needing to get out before the global economy takes a duece. As in make money while you can.

originally posted by: VermiIion

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: Leviathan4

I always said that ceasefire is the best solution together with diplomacy just as the State Department Official has said in my other thread and many many others. There can only be a political solution to this problem.

“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders, and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Taher El-Nounou, a Hamas media adviser, told The Times.
“This battle was not because we wanted fuel or laborers,” he added. “It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.”
www.breitbart.com...

Read that however many times it takes until you understand that there’s no negotiating with terrorists.
They are telling the world what their plans are and acting upon those plans.
The only way out of this is the complete destruction of those terrorists.
Until then, all the death and destruction lies solely at the feet of hamas and their supporters.

You can't just destroy Hamas by destroying the population too. The idea there would be a military solution to this problem is flawed. There is only a political solution through negotiations for a two state solution with or without Hamas. Even Biden made it clear that the US Policy favours a two state solution and not a WW3

The rest of your post is just the usual warmongering rhetoric that has no value in conversations.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: Leviathan4

Ceasefire for Israel means surrender this battle and prepare for the next. History shows us that.

Please describe to me what you think is a long term solution that multiple US POTUS and many many diplomats in the UN and all the world hasn't been able to find.

What do you think would end this 'conflict' once and for all?

Why can't you tell us your own ideas instead of parrot infinately the same non-workable 'ceasefire' solution.

The last ceasefire ended Oct. 7.

SO what is the best long term solution?

Actually the US Policy on this matter is a two state solution. Recently expressed by Biden himself in the middle of this conflict. Those who think there is a military solution to this problem are some ultra right wing warmongers and some members here on ATS. Other than that there is only a political solution just like lit good Senior State Department Official said in my other thread.