Tens of Thousands Attend pro-Palestinian Rally in Washington DC

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Taking civilian hostages is a war crime.

Got that?

They both committed war crimes against each other.

Got that?

originally posted by: quintessentone
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter...see how that works?

October 7th wasn't 'freedom fighting'.
Nothing about it was 'freedom fighting'.
It was pure evil and it was terrorism.
Nothing else.

a reply to: quintessentone

How do you negotiate the release of hostages by making concessions to terrorists who openly state their intention to do it all over again, and again?

Will only lead to more attacks, more hostages.

Not good.

originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: WingDingLuey


While you're cheering on anti-Semitism, this isn't it.

People protesting for equal human rights isn't picking sides. It's for preservation of life on both sides. They're protesting bombardment of refugee camps and killing of civilians. Nobody wants the same to be done to the other side.

SMH

Nice try dumbo, I'm not cheering anti-Semitism at all LOL LOL LOL

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a reply to: quintessentone

Not going to engage with someone who calls these animal Jihadis "freedom fighters".

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Ground penetrating technology would show them layouts,

It's a paved over massive city. You want Israel to walk in with ground radar equipment and do a survey? really? Getting shot and and ambushed the whole time. Yeah .... That's unrealistic.

Satellite ground penetrating radar?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter...see how that works?

October 7th wasn't 'freedom fighting'.
Nothing about it was 'freedom fighting'.
It was pure evil and it was terrorism.
Nothing else.

Again, read the bloody history of these two factions and try to see if from both sides.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

How easy is this, Israeli soldiers even have the map given to them.

but do have a map of where every entrance/ exit could be and are.
just like vietnam the terrorist could pop up anywhere in the 300 miles of tunnels known to exist.
they could have dug new entrance / exit shafts at anytime and probably have since july. that's part of the problem, the tunnels could be ever changing when hamas knows something has been detected.

So they don't have ground penetrating technology?

Does that even work under buildings and obstacles ?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

How do you negotiate the release of hostages by making concessions to terrorists who openly state their intention to do it all over again, and again?

Will only lead to more attacks, more hostages.

Not good.

It's called compromise, which Israel refused to do.

a reply to: quintessentone

They are not freedom fighters, under the US terrorist groups most wanted all the jihadist are terrorist groups, the UN terrorist sponsored countries decided to use the name freedom fighters, how convenient, because they are funding hamas and all the middle eastern terrorist groups jihad against Israel and now the US as per Iran own accord.

en.wikipedia.org...

The last time I check they were still terrorist

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Taking civilian hostages is a war crime.

Got that?

But kidnapping Palestinian children is acceptable , not charged with anything just held on "security” grounds.
Source , The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

At the end of June 2023, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 147 Palestinian minors in detention or in prison on what it defined “security” grounds. At that time, the IPS was also holding 26 Palestinian minors for being in Israel illegally.

At the end of 2020, the IPS adopted a new policy and stopped providing B'Tselem with the requested figures. Instead, it has since published some data on the IPS website every three months. The first year this occurred (July 2020 through September 2021), the figures published were partial and therefore are not included here.

In addition, at times, some Palestinians are briefly held in military facilities. The figures from the military are received with a significant time delay and provide no details regarding inmates’ legal standing.

The following figures were provided or published by the military and the IPS, so responsibility for their accuracy lies with them.
www.btselem.org...

I guess there's a difference between official kidnapping and unofficial Kidnapping.

Israel’s regime of apartheid and occupation is inextricably bound up in human rights violations. B’Tselem strives to end this regime, as that is the only way forward to a future in which human rights, democracy, liberty and equality are ensured to all people, both Palestinian and Israeli, living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

How easy is this, Israeli soldiers even have the map given to them.

but do have a map of where every entrance/ exit could be and are.
just like vietnam the terrorist could pop up anywhere in the 300 miles of tunnels known to exist.
they could have dug new entrance / exit shafts at anytime and probably have since july. that's part of the problem, the tunnels could be ever changing when hamas knows something has been detected.

So they don't have ground penetrating technology?

Does that even work under buildings and obstacles ?

It appears it does.

airandspace.si.edu...

Here I found the article, it seems Turkey wants a piece of Israel also along with all the piece of crap nations that are sponsoring jihad agains Israel

NATO ally praises Hamas as 'freedom fighters,' condemns Israel as a 'war criminal'

news.yahoo.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

For the very last time, that is just not true.

Release the hostages, then open to a humanitarian pause.

Is what he actually said.

No refusal. At all.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: quintessentone

They are not freedom fighters, under the US terrorist groups most wanted all the jihadist are terrorist groups, the UN terrorist sponsored countries decided to use the name freedom fighters, how convenient, because they are funding hamas and all the middle eastern terrorist groups jihad against Israel and now the US as per Iran own accord.

en.wikipedia.org...

The last time I check they were still terrorist

I agree they are terrorists that Israel created, their Frankenstein, and now both sides are doing the never-ending war games. Past Israeli massacres on Palestinians can also be viewed as terrorist acts. Both sides are culpable.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Taking civilian hostages is a war crime.

Got that?

But kidnapping Palestinian children is acceptable , not charged with anything just held on "security” grounds.
Source , The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

At the end of June 2023, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 147 Palestinian minors in detention or in prison on what it defined “security” grounds. At that time, the IPS was also holding 26 Palestinian minors for being in Israel illegally.

At the end of 2020, the IPS adopted a new policy and stopped providing B'Tselem with the requested figures. Instead, it has since published some data on the IPS website every three months. The first year this occurred (July 2020 through September 2021), the figures published were partial and therefore are not included here.

In addition, at times, some Palestinians are briefly held in military facilities. The figures from the military are received with a significant time delay and provide no details regarding inmates’ legal standing.

The following figures were provided or published by the military and the IPS, so responsibility for their accuracy lies with them.
www.btselem.org...

I guess there's a difference between official kidnapping and unofficial Kidnapping.

Israel’s regime of apartheid and occupation is inextricably bound up in human rights violations. B’Tselem strives to end this regime, as that is the only way forward to a future in which human rights, democracy, liberty and equality are ensured to all people, both Palestinian and Israeli, living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

I also read where one Israeli solider broke the neck of a Palestinian woman being held in their 'prison city'. But let's all look the other way.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

For the very last time, that is just not true.

Release the hostages, then open to a humanitarian pause.

Is what he actually said.

No refusal. At all.

Israel can't be trusted after they did not honor the agreements/accord from the past.

a reply to: gortex

Illegal immigrants being detained?

How shocking.

Doesn't happen anywhere else in the World?

Yes, it does.

They aren't held as hostages.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: gortex

Illegal immigrants being detained?

How shocking.

Doesn't happen anywhere else in the World?

Yes, it does.

They aren't held as hostages.

www.nrc.no...

Gaza is described by many Palestinians and humanitarian actors as the world’s largest open-air prison. 1.94 million Palestinians live behind a blockade and are refused access to the other occupied Palestinian areas and the rest of the world.

7 out of 10 Palestinians in Gaza are registered as refugees, and many of these come from families who were forced to leave their villages in 1948. Many have also been forced to leave their homes due to war and violence.

Four years after the Israeli attack on Gaza in 2014, 23,500 Palestinians in Gaza are still unable to return to their homes.

www.nrc.no...