Conservative and Labour MPs sacked and suspended over ceasefire and peace comments

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Absurd?

Yes, that's you thinking a party can 'sack" an MP.

They are still an MP.

Sorry, but you do need at least a modicum of knowledge about our politics before you weigh in about it.

Deny Ignorance.

Yes it's really absurd to sack or suspend elected politicians who are not unequivocally support Israel or who ask for ceasefire and peace. Israel should be called out for their wrongdoings and this is what this labour MP did.

a reply to: Leviathan4

A ceasefire and "peace" with these people?

www.dailymail.co.uk... srael-beatable-changing-Middle-East.html

a reply to: Leviathan4

Not true.

But maybe, you might call out Hamas, who, as has been posted above, have no interest in peace?

Your comments on that?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Not true.

But maybe, you might call out Hamas, who, as has been posted above, have no interest in peace?

Your comments on that?

have all politicians condemned Hamas in your country?
I don't think there could be more to it

But this has to go both ways.

Israel does enjoy some degree of unaccountability as far as I know. But they're also subject to International Laws.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

A ceasefire and "peace" with these people?

www.dailymail.co.uk... srael-beatable-changing-Middle-East.html

Same can be argued about the State of Israel given that many of its officials have made incitements to genocide and they are responsible at this point.

The International Community must intervene just as it intervenes in other conflicts and hold those responsible accountable for all their atrocities.

The idea that Israel is unaccountable and not subject to international law is a fantasy.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Maybe, you might want to address what Hamas just said?

I asked you how the US etc might "intervene".

Your suggestion.

So, how?

Your suggestion, so, your answer?

Your plan?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Maybe, you might want to address what Hamas just said?

I asked you how the US etc might "intervene".

Your suggestion.

So, how?

Your suggestion, so, your answer?

Your plan?

Israel can easily secure its border. It was because of the Incompetence of the Israeli Government that Hamas found a way to penetrate their defences.

The US can stop the large scale hostilities by arguing and pushing Israel not to make what they have in mind.

Problem solved. Hamas will be unable to exit again if the 'border' is secured.

Biden said he believes in a two state solution just a few days ago. It means it's already in the heads of the administration that the only solution is peace and two states.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Nearly everyone wants a two state solution. It's not exactly a new one.

a reply to: Leviathan4

So now October 7th was Israel's fault?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Complains that Gaza is one large concentration camp and then blames Israel for not maintaining the fence that confines Palestinians?
None of this is the Hamas terrorists fault, all Israel's fault.

Bizarre.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

So now October 7th was Israel's fault?

Who said that?
Another deflection?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Complains that Gaza is one large concentration camp and then blames Israel for not maintaining the fence that confines Palestinians?
None of this is the Hamas terrorists fault, all Israel's fault.

Bizarre.

Disingenuous argument that I have already explained but you still going about it.

No it's not contradictory (as I said in another thread) to say they need to secure the fence given that the fence exists. That doesn't imply Gaza isn't a concentration camp. As it is and everyone knows it. The fence wasn't created because of Hamas. At no stage I have advocated for a fence or for Gaza to be a concentration camp. But for the time being all they needed to do is to secure their fence. That was all.

a reply to: Leviathan4

You did. See above.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"Disingenuous argument that I have already explained but you still going about it."

I could say the same to your good self?

a reply to: Freeborn

its spamming propaganda. its not intelligent discussion

its gone on for weeks and has gotten nowhere but providing a platform. im not going to be drawn in anymore

propagandists can talk to themsleves

Its not discussion

im done

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

You did. See above.

I see above and there is nothing there.
Just claims...

What I said

Israel can easily secure its border. It was because of the incompetence of the Israeli Government that Hamas found a way to penetrate their defences.

Very different to what you have claimed.

a reply to: Leviathan4

No. Loud and clear.

At least the Irish have the guts to stand up against the slaughter in Gaza and the complicity of the EU to it.

Irish MEP Clare Daly condemned the phrase "Europe stands with Israel" which was said by the president of the EU commission, Ursula von der Leyen, in a speech on Monday, saying: “we stand for justice for the people of Palestine and for the upholding of international law.”

There will be no hiding behind "we did not know," when the time comes for European and American leaders to answer for their active role in the atrocities Israel is carrying out.

They know. It is a choice, not a blunder. The whole world can see. We will not forget.
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originally posted by: gortex
At least the Irish have the guts to stand up against the slaughter in Gaza and the complicity of the EU to it.

Irish MEP Clare Daly condemned the phrase "Europe stands with Israel" which was said by the president of the EU commission, Ursula von der Leyen, in a speech on Monday, saying: “we stand for justice for the people of Palestine and for the upholding of international law.”

There will be no hiding behind "we did not know," when the time comes for European and American leaders to answer for their active role in the atrocities Israel is carrying out.

They know. It is a choice, not a blunder. The whole world can see. We will not forget.
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That's great!

Likewise another Irish MEP Mick Wallace said the following (from one of my threads)

He said, Israel's list of war crimes grow by the minute

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

Any MP now in Britain who argues in favour of ceasefire and peace risks getting suspended or even sacked. The same is true if they adopt any of points above or speak the truth.