Leaked: Israeli Plan to Ethnically Cleanse Gaza

a reply to: DBCowboy

Me too.

Knees playing up.

Arthritis, too.

Harrumph.

a reply to: Mawdano

Seems the other way around:

The Hamas Charter -

The original, 1988 version of the charter emphasize four main themes:[18]

Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine is essential;[18]
Unrestrained jihad is necessary to achieve this;[18]
Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable;[18]
Historical anti-semitic tropes that reinforce the goals.[18]
The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children.[18]

The updated 2017 charter appeared to moderate Hamas's position by stating that Hamas is anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of eliminating Israel.[18] Its claim that it is no longer antisemitic has been refuted numerous times due to the actions of Hamas as well as the statments of its leadership including Fathi Hamad who has publicly called for the killing of Jews.[19][20][21][22]

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More:

Another unidentified Hamas Imam outlined the terrorist group’s “doctrine” in fighting against the Jews. He claimed that the organization’s intention was to “totally exterminate” the Jewish people, adding, “We will not leave a single one of you alive.”

Mahmoud Al-Zahar, the co-founder of Hamas, discussed the command found in the Quran to kill the Jews “wherever you may find them.” The Hamas co-founder threatened that the terrorist group would “fight them wherever we can.”

At the conclusion of the video, Deputy Speaker of Hamas Parliament, Ahmad Bahr, can be heard praying, “Oh Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, destroy the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count them one by one. Kill them all without leaving a single one.”
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a reply to: BukkaWukka

Ya we know Hamas is evil, but committing a genocide is worse.

The genocide Israel is committing is helping Hamas in recruiting people that want to take revenge for death of their relatives. That means the current actions taken by Israel is criminal and is supporting Hamas at convincing the public that Israel wants to kill them. The Palestinian people don't believe the Israeli narrative that Hamas is using them as Human Shields because they know that Israel has been using them as shields for very long time. I'll leave few pics for you to check out.

a reply to: Mawdano

You didn't understand my words: Hamas' intent is to wipe out Israel which is genocide. Your thoughts?

a reply to: BukkaWukka

So if Hamas wants genocide, the solution is to kill the innocent kids and bomb 27 ambulances so that the kids die without any chance of getting to hospital?

a reply to: Mawdano

If Hamas doesn't allow the citizens of Gaza to leave and uses them as human shields, and builds their headquarters beneath hospitals and stores bombs, etc in hospitals and schools then what should Israel do?

It is war, not a game of checkers.

a reply to: BukkaWukka

Do you have any evidence that there is a bombs storage in a hospital / school?

I don't believe the human shields allegations without evidence. I've read that Hamas called for international investigation into hospitals. we have evidence that Israel is using people as human shields



The problem of leaving the area:

It's about the fact that Israel has stolen their land before. The Israeli slogan "Land without people, for people without land" is the reason Palestinians are calling for protecting their land from NAKBA 2.0 because Israel cannot be trusted since it has stolen their land before.

In Israel’s call for the evacuation of half of Gaza’s population, many Palestinians fear a repeat of the most traumatic event in their tortured history, their mass exodus from what is now Israel during the 1948 war surrounding its creation.

Palestinians refer to it as the Nakba, or “catastrophe.” An estimated 700,000 Palestinians, a majority of the prewar population, fled or were expelled from what is now Israel in the months before and during the war, in which Jewish fighters fended off an attack by several Arab states.

Israel refused to allow the Palestinians to return, because it would threaten the Jewish majority within the country’s borders. So the refugees and their descendants, who now number nearly 6 million, settled in camps in the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Those camps eventually grew into built-up neighborhoods.
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a reply to: Mawdano

I'll reply tomorrow. Bedtime.


In response to the picture you keep posting of the body on the jeep hood: kids were throwing stones at the Israel jeep. The Israeli's tied him to the top of the jeep and the stone throwing stoped. E
Everyone was fine

a reply to: BukkaWukka

Regarding the picture, I have so many pictures and videos in which Palestinians where used as human shields in combat activities. If you want to open a thread for me to show you the videos, I'm ready. This was just a simple example to convey the point that the IDF is proud to be using kids and subject them to danger against their will as human shields.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: BukkaWukka

Regarding the picture, I have so many pictures and videos in which Palestinians were used as human shields in combat activities. If you want to open a thread for me to show you the videos, I'm ready. This was just a simple example to convey the point that the IDF is proud to be using kids and subject them to dangerous against their will as human shields.

Sounds like a good thread where you can post actual context, facts, and list sources and dates of photos.

The boy on the hood. Link to the actual source of the photo. And the date to provide context.

In the mean time. Somehow a photo like 10 years old justifies Hamas launching Rockets against Israeli civilians in the thousands,Hamas using human shields for their munitions, Hamas telling their citizens to ignore Israeli warnings. Hamas that refuses to evacuate their citizens when warnings are given, does nothing to shelter their citizens. We are talking citizens in mass.

Where Hamas lied about a hospital being taken out by an Israeli air strike. As in the parking lot was hit by a misfired rocket and fuel explosion with no evidence more than 100 killed. With all evidence it was a misfired rocket from Gaza.

And the now ignored lie that an Israeli air strike hit a convey leaving Gaza. As in there is no evidence other than Hamas booby traps took out the convey killing 70.

So in the fact you can’t provide actual context of your photos, links to their source and who took the photos when, Hamas lies about how many of their militants are killed, lies about how many civilian deaths, lies about when Hamas misfired rockets kill their own citizens and try to pin it on Israel, and you ignore Hamas is set on jihad with no political solution. Your pictures don’t mean squat.

a reply to: Lazy88

In the mean time. Somehow a photo like 10 years old justifies Hamas launching Rockets against Israeli civilians in the thousands,Hamas using human shields for their munitions

Hamas actions cannot be justified.

Hamas using human shields for their munitions

That was before the IDF start claiming that Hamas is using Palestinians as Human Shield. The IDF is widely know to embrace the practice of routinely using children as Shields. Similar to USS Liberty when IDF killed American army soldiers deliberately to blame it on Egypt. When USS Liberty survived the attack, they claimed it was a mistake. Is there any evidence that Hamas hide weapons in schools and hospitals or is it just another 40 beheaded babies mistake?

www.reuters.com...

Hamas telling their citizens to ignore Israeli warnings. Hamas that refuses to evacuate their citizens when warnings are given

It's about the fact that Israel has stolen their land before. The Israeli slogan "Land without people, for people without land" is the reason Palestinians are calling for protecting their land from NAKBA 2.0 because Israel cannot be trusted since it has stolen their land before.

In Israel’s call for the evacuation of half of Gaza’s population, many Palestinians fear a repeat of the most traumatic event in their tortured history, their mass exodus from what is now Israel during the 1948 war surrounding its creation.

Palestinians refer to it as the Nakba, or “catastrophe.” An estimated 700,000 Palestinians, a majority of the prewar population, fled or were expelled from what is now Israel in the months before and during the war, in which Jewish fighters fended off an attack by several Arab states.

Israel refused to allow the Palestinians to return, because it would threaten the Jewish majority within the country’s borders. So the refugees and their descendants, who now number nearly 6 million, settled in camps in the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Those camps eventually grew into built-up neighborhoods.
apnews.com...

does nothing to shelter their citizens. We are talking citizens in mass.

They have called the United Nations for helping the citizen. They didn't receive yet any money from USA to aid in building the shelters for civilian. Housing 2 million people in bunkers need billions of dollars.

Where Hamas lied about a hospital being taken out by an Israeli air strike. As in the parking lot was hit by a misfired rocket and fuel explosion with no evidence more than 100 killed. With all evidence it was a misfired rocket from Gaza.

I have seen many news reports and each one has different results of whom did it. Do you have decisive evidence?

So in the fact you can’t provide actual context of your photos, links to their source and who took the photos when

Information about pictures you have requested. United Nations is aware of Israel IDF practice of using kids as human shields.
www.reuters.com...

Hamas lies about how many of their militants are killed, lies about how many civilian deaths, lies about when Hamas misfired rockets kill their own citizens and try to pin it on Israel, and.

I like to see evidence about everything before having an opinion. These are serious allegations but I don't like allegations without evidence.

you ignore Hamas is set on jihad with no political solution

Maybe they are not enjoying the open air prison.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88




It's about the fact that Israel has stolen their land before.

Again. Either provide actual context, date, and source of the photos taken by who.

You know. Cite sources properly than using innuendo.

As far as current situation. Jewish human shields are meaningless in a Hamas jihad where they primarily target is civilians.

Vs Hamas taking steps to maximize their civilians casualties.

a reply to: Lazy88

IDF is using Palestinian kids as human shields.

Vs Hamas taking steps to maximize their civilians casualties.

Do you have any evidence beyond the people that won't leave because they don't want Israel to steal their homes?

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88



Maybe they are not enjoying the open air prison.

Glad you recognize the hardships under Hamas where they force support for their jihad, force civilians to be human shields, where Hamas misfired rockets often kill their own civilians, and where honor killings are still a thing.

What is dating like for a twenty year old woman in Gaza. What is a normal date night under Hamas?

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88

IDF is using Palestinian kids as human shields.

Vs Hamas taking steps to maximize their civilians casualties.

Do you have any evidence beyond the people that won't leave because they don't want Israel to steal their homes?

What evidence do you have that land for peace worked?

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88

IDF is using Palestinian kids as human shields.

Then you can cite a source with actual context and who took the picture within the last 5 years?

a reply to: Lazy88

It won't work of course as long as Hamas is present. That's why I don't like Hamas.

a reply to: Lazy88

I'll consult the citations expert in the copyright office.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88

I'll consult the citations expert in the copyright office.

So? You just post pictures older than five years with no understanding of context, who took the pictures, you don’t credit the source of your photos, and you don’t understand how old they are?

a reply to: Lazy88

Does it matter if it is one week or one year old? I'm not claiming that the practice of using Palestinian people as human shields is being used today. I mean historically, it is known that human shields is an IDF common practice.

Similar to USS Liberty, doing something and lie about it, claiming it was mistake while all the American sailors claimed, it was deliberate attack against USA.