California City the first in the US to condemn Israel accusing it of 'ethnic cleansing'

originally posted by: Another_Nut

They are so much emotionally charged and ate governed by emotions rather than rational thinking.

a reply to: Leviathan4


you have had one post in the last 3 days that wasnt about israel...

of all your posts there are less than 50 that are NOT about israel

who is emotional here? who is pushing an agenda? who seems to repeat the same nonsense over and over again?

…and over and over ad nauseam. Can you please repeat that, I didn’t hear you the first 100 times😂

originally posted by: Another_Nut

They are so much emotionally charged and ate governed by emotions rather than rational thinking.

a reply to: Leviathan4


you have had one post in the last 3 days that wasnt about israel...

of all your posts there are less than 50 that are NOT about israel

who is emotional here? who is pushing an agenda? who seems to repeat the same nonsense over and over again?

What agenda?
The agenda is only in your mind and nowhere else.

So you say we shouldn't criticise Israel and its wrongdoings so to please you and other online randomers? I think you think of very high of yourself.

But anyway I don't see what is wrong with Richmond City Council condemning Israel for the war crimes it has committed.

Any reasonable person will condemn the killings of thousands of innocent civilians especially women and children.

Do you condemn the killings by the way?
Or do you think they're justified?

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: Leviathan4

But no mention of October 7th?

If that happens in the West it would be followed up with some “Shock and Awe”.

Oh ya, it did.

Who? Me?

My position is clear.

War crimes cannot be answered with war crimes.

originally posted by: quintessentone

One night (8-10 hours) of strikes killed 700 Palestinians, so we have a base number. How many strikes have there been thus far? Let's do the math.

You are assuming they do not know where they are. To assume they are randomly blowing crap up hoping they hit something isn't any kind of point and not true. I posted two sets of numbers, one for the duration and it is well under 2 deaths per attack, and the other one in the last 24 hours of 377 attacks that was less than 1 per attack, so you tell me. In that 8 -10 hours was it 700 attacks?

You can't just take raw numbers like 700 without applying them to the number of attacks otherwise it looks like they did one strike and killed 700.

I'm trying to show a little different perspective than just saying 8,000 have been killed so Israel is evil. People are expecting something that even we can't do to limit deaths in a battle in a major city.

Comedy GOLD.

The Israel-Hamas war has come to America.

Black Hebrew Israelites and pro-Hamas Palestinians duked it out in the streets of Chicago this weekend.

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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

One night (8-10 hours) of strikes killed 700 Palestinians, so we have a base number. How many strikes have there been thus far? Let's do the math.

You are assuming they do not know where they are. To assume they are randomly blowing crap up hoping they hit something isn't any kind of point and not true. I posted two sets of numbers, one for the duration and it is well under 2 deaths per attack, and the other one in the last 24 hours of 377 attacks that was less than 1 per attack, so you tell me. In that 8 -10 hours was it 700 attacks?

You can't just take raw numbers like 700 without applying them to the number of attacks otherwise it looks like they did one strike and killed 700.

I'm trying to show a little different perspective than just saying 8,000 have been killed so Israel is evil. People are expecting something that even we can't do to limit deaths in a battle in a major city.

I am only assuming they don't know where Hamas is hold up because some news article titles are using the word 'suspected' when mentioning Israeli strikes - that means Israeli is striking 'suspected' areas where they think Hamas might be hold up. Does that clear it up for you?

Are they blowing up buildings? Are those buildings housing people? Are the bombs they are using specialized to go deep to damage tunnels? What is the radius destruction aboveground?

The people there have no where to go, so the people have to be in those buildings, do they not?

On the news this morning, a son of a woman hostage says Israeli strikes and ground operations is putting his mother in more risk and I agree with him.

a reply to: quintessentone

The people there have no where to go, so the people have to be in those buildings, do they not?

If there was a gas leak in their building do you think then they might find somewhere else to go?

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: quintessentone

The people there have no where to go, so the people have to be in those buildings, do they not?

If there was a gas leak in their building do you think then they might find somewhere else to go?

If there was not a gas leak in their building do you think they may stay there?

Not sure what you are getting at.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: Leviathan4

But no mention of October 7th?

If that happens in the West it would be followed up with some “Shock and Awe”.

Oh ya, it did.

Who? Me?

My position is clear.

War crimes cannot be answered with war crimes.

Well that's good, because it was a peace talk-provoked terrorist attack responded to by a warranted full military engagement. I can repeat it over and over too.

Write a song about it?

I know posting this kinda contradicts previous things said, but I really love this video. Favorite anti-war song for that reason.



Hey, give them real guns and flags of Israel/USA to burn and they're sorta like how Hamas (and 70% of Muslim) children are raised. At least the flag burning part.

Unprovoked attack? Let's unpack it.

What does Hamas want?
Hamas has always espoused violence as a means to liberate occupied Palestinian territories and has called for the annihilation of Israel.

Why now?
In recent years, Israel has made peace deals with Arab countries without having to make concessions in its conflict with the Palestinians. The U.S. has recently been trying to broker a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia, a bitter rival of Hamas' Iranian backers.

Meanwhile, Israel's new far-right government was working to cement Israeli settlements in the West Bank despite Palestinian opposition.

Hamas leaders say an Israeli crackdown on militants in the West Bank, continued construction of settlements — which the international community considers to be illegal — thousands of prisoners in Israeli jails, and its ongoing blockade of Gaza pushed it to attack.

Its leaders say hundreds of its 40,000 fighters took part in the assault. Israel says the group has about 30,000 fighters and an arsenal of rockets, including some with a range of about 250 kilometers (155 miles), and unmanned drones.

www.npr.org...

After reading the history between Israel and Palestine and Hamas (first with Turkey & Qatar, now with Iran and Lebanon Hezbollah backers) and the issues with Iran's bitter enemy Saudi Arabia and the potential peace deal with Israel and other countries in that region, not including Palestine in those dealings.

Very complex stuff here folks and it appears Hamas' gripe is and always has been Israeli occupation, building Israeli settlements where they should not and blockades. But Hamas has been deemed a terrorist group, so the need to control that region so Hamas can't rise, but they have risen with the help of other countries, so here we are always ending up at the same starting point now with Lebanon Hezbollah and maybe Islamic Jihad joining Hamas.

Hamas supposedly embraces anti-zionism and is antisemetism (contemporary meaning).

Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism.[a] Although anti-Zionism is a heterogeneous phenomenon, all its proponents agree that the creation of the modern State of Israel, and the movement to create a sovereign Jewish state in the region of Palestine – the biblical Land of Israel – was flawed or unjust in some way

In the contemporary era, a manifestation known as "new antisemitism" was identified. This concept addresses the exploitation of the Arab–Israeli conflict by a large number of concealed antisemites, who may attempt to gain traction or legitimacy for their antisemitic hoaxes by portraying themselves as criticizing the Israeli government's actions;[16] this is distinct from people who view Israeli government policies negatively, which is not inherently antisemitic. Likewise, as the State of Israel has a Jewish-majority population, it is common for antisemitic rhetoric to be manifested in expressions of anti-Israeli sentiment, though this is not always the case and such expressions may sometimes be part of wider anti–Middle Eastern sentiment without an exclusively antisemitic motive.

Breaking News: Israel and Lebanon Hezbollah conflict.

www.cnn.com...




Again, Iran backs both Hamas and Hezbollah so we need to look there.

originally posted by: quintessentone

I am only assuming they don't know where Hamas is hold up because some news article titles are using the word 'suspected' when mentioning Israeli strikes - that means Israeli is striking 'suspected' areas where they think Hamas might be hold up. Does that clear it up for you?

The news will say that... Doesn't mean anything since they are not in on the intell, just flapping their lips to be relevant.

Are they blowing up buildings? Are those buildings housing people? Are the bombs they are using specialized to go deep to damage tunnels? What is the radius destruction aboveground?

The people there have no where to go, so the people have to be in those buildings, do they not?

On the news this morning, a son of a woman hostage says Israeli strikes and ground operations is putting his mother in more risk and I agree with him.

Are people in the buildings? With your assumptions, there should be 100s of thousands of dead, but with a massive number of airstrikes, very few are dying, so maybe Israel is doing all they can to not kill civilians. Look what Russia has been doing in Ukraine. If Israel did the same with this war there would be 100s of thousands dead.

War is hell, no one told you that. War is also not nice ever...

originally posted by: quintessentone
Unprovoked attack? Let's unpack it.

What does Hamas want?
Hamas has always espoused violence as a means to liberate occupied Palestinian territories and has called for the annihilation of Israel.

Why now?
In recent years, Israel has made peace deals with Arab countries without having to make concessions in its conflict with the Palestinians. The U.S. has recently been trying to broker a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia, a bitter rival of Hamas' Iranian backers.

Meanwhile, Israel's new far-right government was working to cement Israeli settlements in the West Bank despite Palestinian opposition.

Hamas leaders say an Israeli crackdown on militants in the West Bank, continued construction of settlements — which the international community considers to be illegal — thousands of prisoners in Israeli jails, and its ongoing blockade of Gaza pushed it to attack.

Its leaders say hundreds of its 40,000 fighters took part in the assault. Israel says the group has about 30,000 fighters and an arsenal of rockets, including some with a range of about 250 kilometers (155 miles), and unmanned drones.

www.npr.org...

After reading the history between Israel and Palestine and Hamas (first with Turkey & Qatar, now with Iran and Lebanon Hezbollah backers) and the issues with Iran's bitter enemy Saudi Arabia and the potential peace deal with Israel and other countries in that region, not including Palestine in those dealings.

Very complex stuff here folks and it appears Hamas' gripe is and always has been Israeli occupation, building Israeli settlements where they should not and blockades. But Hamas has been deemed a terrorist group, so the need to control that region so Hamas can't rise, but they have risen with the help of other countries, so here we are always ending up at the same starting point now with Lebanon Hezbollah and maybe Islamic Jihad joining Hamas.

Hamas supposedly embraces anti-zionism and is antisemetism (contemporary meaning).

Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism.[a] Although anti-Zionism is a heterogeneous phenomenon, all its proponents agree that the creation of the modern State of Israel, and the movement to create a sovereign Jewish state in the region of Palestine – the biblical Land of Israel – was flawed or unjust in some way

In the contemporary era, a manifestation known as "new antisemitism" was identified. This concept addresses the exploitation of the Arab–Israeli conflict by a large number of concealed antisemites, who may attempt to gain traction or legitimacy for their antisemitic hoaxes by portraying themselves as criticizing the Israeli government's actions;[16] this is distinct from people who view Israeli government policies negatively, which is not inherently antisemitic. Likewise, as the State of Israel has a Jewish-majority population, it is common for antisemitic rhetoric to be manifested in expressions of anti-Israeli sentiment, though this is not always the case and such expressions may sometimes be part of wider anti–Middle Eastern sentiment without an exclusively antisemitic motive.

Breaking News: Israel and Lebanon Hezbollah conflict.

www.cnn.com...



Again, Iran backs both Hamas and Hezbollah so we need to look there.

The way it goes it will turn into a wider conflict in the area. It's expectable to be honest.