California City the first in the US to condemn Israel accusing it of 'ethnic cleansing'

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

What are the Israeli's striking there in Gaza? Buildings? Where are the Palestinian people hold up?

It still doesn't discount that the death numbers are extremely low compared to the massive level of attacks. Now if you want to say Israel doesn't need to do so many, neither of us is in the command post or the intel room to say otherwise.

We saw what death tolls look like when an arrant missile hits the parking area of a hospital and the missile didn't even blow up other than the fuel cell. What did they say 100s dead... If even 10 died per attack from Israel then we would be talking 50,000 dead so far, 100 would be 500k dead.

I read an article which I posted somewhere here that one targeted strike with a specialized rocket to penetrate further into the tunnels but less so in the aboveground let's call it circle of destruction would still kill 1,400 people within the radius if people were hunkered down near the strike.

a reply to: quintessentone

You know that is a big propaganda agenda by hamas, they want their wounded terrorist to be healed, fed and taken care off by the idiots supporting palestine.

None of that aid is going to help any darn civilian.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: quintessentone

You know that is a big propaganda agenda by hamas, they want their wounded terrorist to be healed, fed and taken care off by the idiots supporting palestine.

None of that aid is going to help any darn civilian.

Well it's helping those thousands of ordinary people that just broke into the warehouses containing said aid.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, I believe is another coined phrase.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NorthOS

Nobody would support Hamas or Islamic Jihad's atrocities except other terrorists, the protests are for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. Simple, nothing hard to understand about it.

Did we send humanitarian aid to the enemy, while at war in

WW1?
WW2?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Anywhere?

The Palestinians and their supporters were jubilant and celebrating what happened.

There are consequences.

originally posted by: quintessentone

I read an article which I posted somewhere here that one targeted strike with a specialized rocket to penetrate further into the tunnels but less so in the aboveground let's call it circle of destruction would still kill 1,400 people within the radius if people were hunkered down near the strike.

Very true, I have said these are not small bombs, so why are there not 100,000s dead so far? Maybe Israel is being as careful as it can not to cause collateral deaths. I wouldn't be pushing these points if so many didn't push the "Israel is mass murdering civilians," started genocide, trying to do the Nazi Final Solution, Israel is committing war crimes etc. etc.

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NorthOS

Nobody would support Hamas or Islamic Jihad's atrocities except other terrorists, the protests are for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. Simple, nothing hard to understand about it.

Did we send humanitarian aid to the enemy, while at war in

WW1?
WW2?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Anywhere?

The Palestinians and their supporters were jubilant and celebrating what happened.

There are consequences.

Who is we? The USA? No aid was sent by the USA was it because there was no speaker in the house to okay said aid? Correct?

Who can identify a Palestinian from an Islamic Jihad from a Hamas supporter there?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

I read an article which I posted somewhere here that one targeted strike with a specialized rocket to penetrate further into the tunnels but less so in the aboveground let's call it circle of destruction would still kill 1,400 people within the radius if people were hunkered down near the strike.

Very true, I have said these are not small bombs, so why are there not 100,000s dead so far? Maybe Israel is being as careful as it can not to cause collateral deaths. I wouldn't be pushing these points if so many didn't push the "Israel is mass murdering civilians," started genocide, trying to do the Nazi Final Solution, Israel is committing war crimes etc. etc.

I also just read that Israel is targeting 'suspected' Hamas operation locations; they are guessing where Hamas is, they absolutely don't know where they are.

One night (8-10 hours) of strikes killed 700 Palestinians, so we have a base number. How many strikes have there been thus far? Let's do the math.

a reply to: quintessentone

If the innocents outnumber Hamas and their supporters by the numbers suggested then they need to put things right.

Hamas and their supporters disgust me.

How many have denounced what happened?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NorthOS

Nobody would support Hamas or Islamic Jihad's atrocities except other terrorists, the protests are for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. Simple, nothing hard to understand about it.

Did we send humanitarian aid to the enemy, while at war in

WW1?
WW2?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Anywhere?

The Palestinians and their supporters were jubilant and celebrating what happened.

There are consequences.

Who is we? The USA? No aid was sent by the USA was it because there was no speaker in the house to okay said aid? Correct?

Ok, anybody in any war.

Humanitarian aid to the enemy, really?

Name a time.

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: quintessentone

If the innocents outnumber Hamas and their supporters by the numbers suggested then they need to put things right.

Hamas and their supporters disgust me.

How many have denounced what happened?

Everyone here has denounced what happened and most of the world does too.

Demanding a ceasefire to let humanitarian aid does not support Hamas.

Israel is doing the exact same strategy as it always does and it will effect no change by doing the same thing over and over.

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NorthOS

Nobody would support Hamas or Islamic Jihad's atrocities except other terrorists, the protests are for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. Simple, nothing hard to understand about it.

Did we send humanitarian aid to the enemy, while at war in

WW1?
WW2?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Anywhere?

The Palestinians and their supporters were jubilant and celebrating what happened.

There are consequences.

Who is we? The USA? No aid was sent by the USA was it because there was no speaker in the house to okay said aid? Correct?

Ok, anybody in any war.

Humanitarian aid to the enemy, really?

Name a time.

Are the Palestinian people the enemy?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
their strategy of ethnic cleansing or to rid the Earth of all Hamas .

Killing terrorists isn't 'ethnic cleansing'.

Are they ALL terrorists then, those being killed? Is levelling northern Gaza killing terrorists? It would be nice to see people stop trying to justify the utterly unjustifiable. Atrocities on any side are wrong. This is all wrong and will lead to serious problems very soon. A life is a life, all are precious.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NorthOS

Nobody would support Hamas or Islamic Jihad's atrocities except other terrorists, the protests are for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. Simple, nothing hard to understand about it.

Did we send humanitarian aid to the enemy, while at war in

WW1?
WW2?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Anywhere?

The Palestinians and their supporters were jubilant and celebrating what happened.

There are consequences.

Who is we? The USA? No aid was sent by the USA was it because there was no speaker in the house to okay said aid? Correct?

Ok, anybody in any war.

Humanitarian aid to the enemy, really?

Name a time.

Are the Palestinian people the enemy?

t.me...

t.me...

originally posted by: ARM19688

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
their strategy of ethnic cleansing or to rid the Earth of all Hamas .

Killing terrorists isn't 'ethnic cleansing'.

Are they ALL terrorists then, those being killed? Is levelling northern Gaza killing terrorists? It would be nice to see people stop trying to justify the utterly unjustifiable. Atrocities on any side are wrong. This is all wrong and will lead to serious problems very soon. A life is a life, all are precious.

The same member claimed that support for ceasefire and support for peace is the same as support for Hamas and terrorism.

Clearly not the best debating tactics but some of them do believe it. They are so much emotionally charged and are governed by emotions rather than rational thinking.

If that was true then half million people who demonstrated in London yesterday against the war are by definition Hamas and terror supporters..someone else suggested the phrase Nazi sympathisers...

Glad that this argument is won by those who are on the right side of history.

maktoobmedia.com...

I very much agree with what you said in your post.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl
So are you suggesting XX number of under 2 were not killed, or a few people maybe, or what?

-sigh-

I'm not suggesting anything. I am flat out stating as unequivocal fact that anyone who believes anything out of the mouiths of any of these entities - ANY OF THEM - is a moron.

Is that clear enough? Good god, how many times do I have to say it? It's like if Israel is involved, people lose the capacity for rational thought.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Leviathan4

The accusations against Israel are not coming from just one person but from various organisations, other countries, the UN, Amnesty International, Human Rights Lawyers and experts.

They do that every time Israel farts wrong while really horrendous events going on in other places and if you suggest they call them out too, then who cares what they say if that is all there is to it in just pointing fingers and saying oh you did a bad thing.

Israel hasn't farted wrong.
It has committed war crimes. I am impressed you're trying to downplay or even dismiss their atrocities.


reliefweb.int...

Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes.

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Israel-Hamas war: UN raises concerns over war crimes committed on both sides

The United Nations on Friday raised concerns over the war crimes committed on both sides in the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict. The UN Human Rights Office cited forcible transfer, collective punishment and the taking of hostages as the war continued into its 21st day.

"We are concerned that war crimes are being committed. We are concerned about the collective punishment of Gazans in response to the atrocious attacks by Hamas, which also amounted to war crimes," spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani told a press conference in Geneva.

They are so much emotionally charged and ate governed by emotions rather than rational thinking.

a reply to: Leviathan4


you have had one post in the last 3 days that wasnt about israel...

of all your posts there are less than 50 that are NOT about israel

who is emotional here? who is pushing an agenda? who seems to repeat the same nonsense over and over again?

a reply to: Leviathan4

But no mention of October 7th?

If that happens in the West it would be followed up with some “Shock and Awe”.

Oh ya, it did.

originally posted by: quintessentone


I also just read that Israel is targeting 'suspected' Hamas operation locations; they are guessing where Hamas is, they absolutely don't know where they are.

One night (8-10 hours) of strikes killed 700 Palestinians, so we have a base number. How many strikes have there been thus far? Let's do the math.

Well maybe hamas plays nice for the first time in their miserable life and allow the "palestinian victims" to pain red bull eyes on hamas target so Israel do not have to be accused of killing the "innocent".

Yep that is what the "real innocent palestinians" should do.

Is not such thing as the innocent in a hamas infected area

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: quintessentone

If the innocents outnumber Hamas and their supporters by the numbers suggested then they need to put things right.

Hamas and their supporters disgust me.

How many have denounced what happened?

Everyone here has denounced what happened and most of the world does too.

Demanding a ceasefire to let humanitarian aid does not support Hamas.

Israel is doing the exact same strategy as it always does and it will effect no change by doing the same thing over and over.

Good gawd Hamas has been stealing Palestinian aid for years and years. You think this is going to be any different??? You have to be awfully dense to think they’re not, it’s what they do and have for years.