Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims

originally posted by: Insurrectile

Wow! Fascinating to see how convinced you seem to be. And then there is me, always thinking the opposite of what you state might be closer to the truth.
Good teamwork, thanks for the tip?

In that picture that is the size of a Sidewinder missile, and thermobaric bombs are rather big by the nature of their use. They expand over a wide area and then detonate the atomized mixture. It creates a massive implosion destroying everything inside the huge sphere of atomized particles.

Just grabbing anything you can doesn't make it real, and they haven't used any, and whatever hit that parking lot wasn't a missile detonation nor was it a thermobaric bomb that you are pulling that idea out of your butt. lol

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Xtrozero

Wow! Fascinating to see how convinced you seem to be. And then there is me, always thinking the opposite of what you state might be closer to the truth.
Good teamwork, thanks for the tip?

Watan – In a new scandal affirming the commission of war crimes, the Israeli army inadvertently published a photo documenting its use of thermobaric bombs in the war on Gaza.

The Israeli Air Force accidentally posted an image of an Apache helicopter belonging to the army, loaded with these bombs, before later deleting the tweet.

W ar Crimes Exposed: Accidental Photo Leak Reveals Israeli Army’s Use of Banned Thermobaric Bombs in Gaza

So? Where were the bombs used?

Anyway.

From you source?

Israel’s use of white phosphorus has also been confirmed by Human Rights Watch, which reported its use by Israeli forces during the war on Gaza and operations in southern Lebanon.

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As in flares?


I dint think you’re citing very credible or knowledgeable sources.

Other experts argue over whether or not Israel bombed the hospital.

Experts argue that Israel most likely used either a spike missile or an M-84 guided bomb to target the hospital.

Refuting the narrative provided by Israel, journalists, weapons experts and eyewitnesses have held the Israeli military responsible for the strike, which amounts to a war crime according to various international law experts.

As a result, Israeli government officials have fumbled to keep a cohesive narrative across social media.

Small craters are normally the result of mortar strikes, or artillery rounds, not missiles. According to Channel 4 News, a ground-detonating Israeli air strike is therefore unlikely, but it doesn’t rule out an airburst munition, which can have a big impact without producing heavy structural damage.

"Bombs with proximity fuses or proximity sensors may not create craters where they explode," he told Daily Sabah. "The hospital attack in Gaza may have been similar. How high the bomb explodes can be set by the user."

A joint analysis conducted by Forensic Architecture, an independent university-based research agency, and Amnesty International shows the use of MK-84 bombing over Rafah city in Gaza in 2014.

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An interviewer recently posed a logical question to Mousa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of the Hamas politburo: “Since you have built 500 kilometers of tunnels, why haven’t you built bomb shelters where civilians can hide during bombardments?”

Abu Marzouk said the tunnels are “meant to protect us” from Israeli aircraft and facilitate attacks on Israeli targets.

“Us” meaning Hamas. Not civilians.

Hamas chooses not to build bomb shelters in Gaza because that would undercut its ability to use the population as human shields.

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The truth is Hamas does everything it can to protect its own military assets while Hamas the government of Gaza does everything to maximize its civilian casualties.

And it’s backed by radar data that rocket launches from Gaza originate from residential areas and public facilities that are banned by international law from being used for military purposes.

a reply to: quintessentone

Which hospital,

Again. The Al-Ahli Hospital parking lot incident on Oct 17 was not hit by an Israeli air strike. The claim by Hamas the hospital on Oct 17 was hit by an Israeli air strike is a lie. It was a fuel explosion from a Gaza misfired rocket.

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Vs…

Chilling footage shows Hamas operating out of 2 Gaza hospitals, says Israel — as troops prepare to invade area

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“If it weren’t enough that we exposed a tunnel under the hospital, the terrorists also shot at our soldiers from within the hospital,” Hagari said.

a reply to: Lazy88

It's amazing how when independent investigative sources, other than what Israel or the U.S. media puts out, that we get another perspective to what Hamas leaders are really saying and what they really want. However, the way they went about it I wholly condemn but I guess this is an example of desperate times call for desperate measures and the same applies to Israel's punishing response which did nothing to reach the Hams militia.

‘The root of the problem is the occupation’: Moussa Abu Marzouk
In an exclusive interview with Frontline, the head of Hamas’ international relations office says they do not accept to live under occupation.

All we want is freedom because we do not accept to live under occupation. Just as the Indian people rejected the British occupation and expelled it in the end.”

The easiest option may be to abandon resistance and accept Israel, but we see the truth in Mahatma Gandhi’s saying, “The right path is always the most difficult.””

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originally posted by: quintessentone
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Took a look at the home page of this 'source'. Wow. Talk about one sided agenda! Pffft.

Hang it up. The hospital wasn't bombed.
It's up and running just fine.
The parking lot is burned out.
The news livecam footage shows the barrage and the rocket failing and falling.
If Isreal wanted to bomb a hospital, it would be bombed flattened and cratered.
Obviously .. it's not.
And to try to claim it used some kind of airburst munition that won't produce heavy structural damage .. so why bother using it then? Makes no sense and is reeeeeaaaaaally stretching it.

This is just sad.

a reply to: quintessentone

Propaganda. They want more than an end to occupation (and Gaza wasn't occupied!). "From the river to the sea" means the destruction of Israel and the death of Jews. THIS is their battle cry. Not 'end the occupation'.

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You can use as much propaganda as you want. But a quick shifting through the facts reveals that Hamas takes action to maximize their civilian casualties. Just the point there are no shelters for civilians points this out while Hamas hides in their tunnels.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
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Took a look at the home page of this 'source'. Wow. Talk about one sided agenda! Pffft.

Hang it up. The hospital wasn't bombed.
It's up and running just fine.
The parking lot is burned out.
The news livecam footage shows the barrage and the rocket failing and falling.
If Isreal wanted to bomb a hospital, it would be bombed flattened and cratered.
Obviously .. it's not.
And to try to claim it used some kind of airburst munition that won't produce heavy structural damage .. so why bother using it then? Makes no sense and is reeeeeaaaaaally stretching it.

This is just sad.

Forensic evidence shows the truth.

a reply to: quintessentone

Asked you a question. What Hospital are you referring to?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
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Took a look at the home page of this 'source'. Wow. Talk about one sided agenda! Pffft.

Hang it up. The hospital wasn't bombed.
It's up and running just fine.
The parking lot is burned out.
The news livecam footage shows the barrage and the rocket failing and falling.
If Isreal wanted to bomb a hospital, it would be bombed flattened and cratered.
Obviously .. it's not.
And to try to claim it used some kind of airburst munition that won't produce heavy structural damage .. so why bother using it then? Makes no sense and is reeeeeaaaaaally stretching it.

This is just sad.

Forensic evidence shows the truth.

Then list the evidence.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: quintessentone

You can use as much propaganda as you want. But a quick shifting through the facts reveals that Hamas takes action to maximize their civilian casualties. Just the point there are no shelters for civilians points this out while Hamas hides in their tunnels.

Did Israel know Hamas were in tunnels? Yes? Then why bomb aboveground?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: quintessentone

You can use as much propaganda as you want. But a quick shifting through the facts reveals that Hamas takes action to maximize their civilian casualties. Just the point there are no shelters for civilians points this out while Hamas hides in their tunnels.

Did Israel know Hamas were in tunnels? Yes? Then why bomb aboveground?

What hospital are referring to, and what type of munitions were used?

Did you skip over?

Chilling footage shows Hamas operating out of 2 Gaza hospitals, says Israel — as troops prepare to invade area

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“If it weren’t enough that we exposed a tunnel under the hospital, the terrorists also shot at our soldiers from within the hospital,” Hagari said.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Forensic evidence shows the truth.

yeah ... no crater and no flat building ... means it wasn't bombed by Israel.
burned out parking lot means a failed terrorist rocket crashed into the parking lot.
Actual tv news livecam showing the rocket failing and falling.
YEP .. forensic evidence. There it is.

a reply to: Lazy88

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I posted this in a previous post, not sure why all the glossing over.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Lazy88

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I posted this in a previous post, not sure why all the glossing over.

What hospital are you talking about?

Can you answer a simple question.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Lazy88

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I posted this in a previous post, not sure why all the glossing over.

What hospital are you talking about?

Can you answer a simple question.

Read my link all the information is there.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Lazy88

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I posted this in a previous post, not sure why all the glossing over.

What hospital are you talking about?

Can you answer a simple question.

Read my link all the information is there.

Not up to me to do your job.

What hospital are you referring to. Or you just clueless?