Investigations reveal discrepancies in Israel’s Gaza hospital attack claims

a reply to: Lazy88

Simple. True or false. Hamas makes missiles out of about anything they can find? My friends reload for fun, I’m into model rockets/rocketry, Hamas lackeys build rockets as terror weapons.

Would this imply the explosive material doesn't fit the damage we see? In which case we might want to file this under further evidence for IDF propaganda.

My question was simple. Why wasn’t the tops of the cars torn to shreds, holes blown by shrapnel down into the cars.

Why should they? Do you people even read the articles we post?

originally posted by: PepperOnion

Would this imply the explosive material doesn't fit the damage we see? In which case we might want to file this under further evidence for IDF propaganda.

Or you don’t care about the actual evidence, and don’t try to understand it. You just want bias confirmation.

What weapon was used by Israel fired from where. Where Hamas has a long history of their missiles malfunctioning and killing their own people by not making it out of Gaza. Missile attacks aimed at Israel civilians.

originally posted by: PepperOnion

Why should they? Do you people even read the articles we post?

Because these are debate forums where you bring actual facts you provide.

Like an actual picture for example.




Or the simple fact a malfunctioning missile can do loops and corkscrews to the ground. Or boomerang back. Come from any direction.

Russian missile fails and 'boomerangs back at Russian troops'


Funny your source doesn’t mention what might be the most obvious answer. A malfunctioning Hamas missile.

Is it false there is radar data concerning the missile?

Submarine Launched Trident PEM-1 Launch Failure




Other words, the missile loops…

Missiles aren’t bullets. And not understanding their trajectory isn’t straight and a launch can literally go sideways makes for poor investigators.

a reply to: Lazy88

Or you don’t care about the actual evidence, and don’t try to understand it. You just want bias confirmation.

And then you post random youtube-videos, which just happen to confirm your bias by accident, because you are too lazy to actually look at the facts in the OP?

Pretty dope stuff, cannot complain.

originally posted by: PepperOnion
a reply to: Lazy88

Or you don’t care about the actual evidence, and don’t try to understand it. You just want bias confirmation.

And then you post random youtube-videos, which just happen to confirm your bias by accident, because you are too lazy to actually look at the facts in the OP?

Pretty dope stuff, cannot complain.

From you post “and found that the projectile that hit the hospital was fired from the direction of Israel.”

Based on nothing more than marks on the ground?

“patterns of radial fragmentation on the southwest side of the impact crater, as well as a shallow channel leading into the crater from the northeast” indicate the projectile likely came from the northeast ”

Did you answer, it’s it true there is radar data? Does the report address that?

Anyway, if the damage was from a malfunctioning Hamas rocket that went off course, the report is pretty useless. And there are a vast number of Hamas rockets that have gone off course over the years resulting in deaths in Gaza that gets blamed on Israel.


How does the report address a possible malfunctioning Hamas rocket going off course which there is a long history of. Or does it just ignore the history of Hamas missile launches?

a reply to: Lazy88

And there are a vast number of Hamas rockets that have gone off course over the years resulting in deaths in Gaza that gets blamed on Israel.

Can you provide one of those reports?

a reply to: Lazy88

Why wasn’t the tops of the cars torn to shreds, holes blown by shrapnel down into the cars

From the damage done, with this kind of ordnance it is the concussion wave that does the damage and kill people more than the shrapnel. There is some shrapnel due to the nature of the device and marks on the ground, but not enough to send everything to shreds.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

And there are a vast number of Hamas rockets that have gone off course over the years resulting in deaths in Gaza that gets blamed on Israel.

Can you provide one of those reports?

You don’t look up multiply sources for yourself? Cross research things on your own with multiple sources?

True or false? I quoted you, then quoted such a report in this very thread for a post on page 1?

Anyway..

The Hamas armed wing and other Palestinian armed groups launched rockets and fired mortars toward Israeli population centers that resulted in the deaths of 12 civilians in Israel and injuries to dozens of others. Munitions apparently directed toward Israel that misfired and fell short killed and injured an undetermined number of Palestinians in Gaza. Human Rights Watch investigated several of the attacks that killed Israeli citizens, as well as a Palestinian rocket attack that misfired above the city of Jabalya in the Gaza Strip, killing 7 Palestinian civilians and injuring 15.

www.hrw.org...

I’m not saying Israel is a saint. But there is a long history of Hamas missiles malfunctioning and killing civilians in Gaza then Hamas tries to pin it on Israel. That is indisputable fact.

a reply to: PepperOnion

... Markus Schiller, a Germany-based missile expert who has worked on analysis for NATO and the European Union, told CNN that the projectile pictured in the Al Jazeera footage “matched the profile” of a Tamir interceptor missile launched by Israel’s Iron Dome, based on its rapid change in course, followed by the mid-air explosion seconds later.

“Tamir interceptors are only launched if the fully automated integrated air and missile defense system calculates a direct threat to certain areas, as to avoid intercepting missiles that hit fields, or sparsely inhabited areas,” said Schiller. “It is well possible that only a single interceptor was launched to intercept one of the missiles that went off course.”

The IDF did not respond to CNN’s request for comment about whether the Iron Dome was used to intercept a rocket fired from Gaza on the evening of October 17. Jonathan Conricus, an IDF spokesman, told The Washington Post that Israel did not make any interceptions around that time.

Revisiting a key video used to assess the Gaza hospital blast

Another IDF lie refuted by solid video analysis, unless Hamas intercepted their own missiles with Tamir interceptors. Case closed, don't call me again!

a reply to: PepperOnion

SOURCE - Al Jazeera. Owned and operated state controlled out of Qatar. Qatar, which has condemned Israel and said that the October 7th terrorist attack was Israel's fault. So ... not buying the source.

ALSO - New York Post

Qatar is also home to the Al Jazeera news channel, which the report alleges, “spreads antisemitism, anti-Americanism and incitement to violence throughout the Arab world.”

“Qatar is Hamas and Hamas is Qatar,” said Yigal Carmon, president of the Washington DC-based Middle East Media Research Institute in an interview with The Post in Israel.

The evidence is clear - the hospital wasn't bombed. It is up and running just fine. No flattened building and no crater. The parking lot is burned out because a terrorist rocket failed and fell into it. There is film footage from a News LIVECAM showing the barrage and the one rocket failing and falling, hitting near the hospital.

Anyone pushing that Israel bombed a hospital is just being willfully ignorant.

doh !!!

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: FlyersFan

This is a German analyst CNN put on the case with loads of additional video material. You silly bots should start to actually read the articles, and get your pants pulled up all the way to those exposed necks.

a reply to: PepperOnion

Forensic Architecture appears to be highly capable of finding out the truth.

It is impressive what this agency has forensically uncovered to the historical goings on in Palestine over time.

forensic-architecture.org...

originally posted by: Insurrectile

Another IDF lie refuted by solid video analysis, unless Hamas intercepted their own missiles with Tamir interceptors. Case closed, don't call me again!

The deal is that it really doesn't matter where the missile came from. What we see is that a missile of some kind malfunctioned and hit the parking lot. What you see is not an explosion, so that wasn't an attack on that area. What hit and exploded was the fuel part of the missile and that is why there was a burnedout area with no actual explosion.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Except that we have footage with quite the explosion, how do you know it was fuel and not a thermobaric weapon? I'm asking a rhetorical question, because you don't. Unless you've dropped it. Did you?

originally posted by: Insurrectile

Except that we have footage with quite the explosion, how do you know it was fuel and not a thermobaric weapon? I'm asking a rhetorical question, because you don't. Unless you've dropped it. Did you?

Well being in the military 28 years and then as a contractor for 15 more here is why.

1. They would have about a 3-foot accuracy and it missed if the target was the hospital
2. It wasn't that big of an explosion though it was a fireball, thermobaric is not only a rather big bomb, but it's got a punch that would flatten all the buildings around it.
3. Israel has yet to use one, so what mysterious bomb was it?
4. There was only a small dent in the assault as far as impact.
5. Burned-out cars with basically zero damage to any building around it.

The fact that you really want it to be Israel dropping bombs on hospitals shows us what you really think.

originally posted by: quintessentone2
Canada still has to chime in when they finish their investigation.

Canada says it is confident Israel not behind deadly blast at Gaza hospital

The Canadian Forces Intelligence Command determined that the blast was more likely caused by an errant rocket fired from Gaza

www.aljazeera.com...

Case closed?

a reply to: VermiIion

I have yet to see convincing evidence, all we get is missionary positioned opinions with loads of spin.

Those slow acorns might want to look at the new material, but feel free to lap up the official narrative. We have to bomb kids in order to fight Hamas as well, right?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: VermiIion

I have yet to see convincing evidence, all we get is missionary positioned opinions with loads of spin.

Those slow acorns might want to look at the new material, but feel free to lap up the official narrative. We have to bomb kids in order to fight Hamas as well, right?

Then list the evidence it’s the lie it was an Israeli air strike as claimed by Hamas.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Wow! Fascinating to see how convinced you seem to be. And then there is me, always thinking the opposite of what you state might be closer to the truth.
Good teamwork, thanks for the tip?

Watan – In a new scandal affirming the commission of war crimes, the Israeli army inadvertently published a photo documenting its use of thermobaric bombs in the war on Gaza.

The Israeli Air Force accidentally posted an image of an Apache helicopter belonging to the army, loaded with these bombs, before later deleting the tweet.

W ar Crimes Exposed: Accidental Photo Leak Reveals Israeli Army’s Use of Banned Thermobaric Bombs in Gaza