Resist the war machine

a reply to: Deetermined

I spoke to our Pastor as I was praying to Saint Michael weekly and things were not improving. I then went to Father Dennis and he said that Mary is extremely powerful so I bagan praying the rosary which is 53 Hail Mary prayers and 6 Our fathers and several other prayers.

I continue to do both. Much improvement but much more needed.

Thank You

a reply to: Deetermined

I'll pray for you since your rosary prayer to Mary, calling her "Holy Mother, Queen of Heaven, and Life" goes against everything Jesus taught.

Well then I didnt write that script. I was told to pray to the rosary and to Saint Michael and to others. That was by Father Robert Morey. Look him up. I follow what he told me.

You know how prayer works, including praying for your enemies? It was explained to me by Father Dennis in 2021.

a reply to: FlyersFan

The dead did nothing of their own accord. God does all of the work. It was ONLY through the power of God that the disciples or anyone else performed miracles. At least they gave credit where credit was due instead of to the bones of a dead human body.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Deetermined

I spoke to our Pastor as I was praying to Saint Michael weekly and things were not improving. I then went to Father Dennis and he said that Mary is extremely powerful so I bagan praying the rosary which is 53 Hail Mary prayers and 6 Our fathers and several other prayers.

I continue to do both. Much improvement but much more needed.

Thank You

If you pray to God/Jesus only, I'm sure you'll reach that level of improvement you are looking for.

originally posted by: Deetermined
The dead did nothing of their own accord. God does all of the work. It was ONLY through the power of God that the disciples or anyone else performed miracles. At least they gave credit where credit was due instead of to the bones of a dead human body.

Sure ... God did the work ... sometimes through the intercession of those who we ask to pray for us.

originally posted by: Waterglass
. I was told to pray to the rosary and to Saint Michael and to others..

GOOD! The rosary is a powerful tool and Saint Michael is a powerful intercessor against evil.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: FlyersFan

No amount of excuses is going to make it biblical.

I didn't 'make excuses'. I stated facts. And I showed in the Old Testament how the prophet did 'marvelous deeds' after death. So yes, it is indeed scriptural for the dead to do marvelous deeds by asking Gods intercession for us when we ask.

Pope John Paul III actually credited Mary for saving his life after he was shot.

Yep. He says he believes she interceded before Jesus her son for his life.

Did Jesus ever instruct anyone to pray to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob? The answer is no. Did any of the disciples pray to the early fathers? No.

We are instructed to pray for each other and to ask each other to pray for us. That's exactly what is done when people call on Mary or other saints in Heaven to pray for us. It's perfectly scriptural. Protestants are strangely blind to that fact.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Deetermined
The dead did nothing of their own accord. God does all of the work. It was ONLY through the power of God that the disciples or anyone else performed miracles. At least they gave credit where credit was due instead of to the bones of a dead human body.

Sure ... God did the work ... sometimes through the intercession of those who we ask to pray for us.

Those dead people don't receive prayer and they've never had or will have the authority to do so. Your prayers to a wall would be just as effective. Pray to God/Jesus. He doesn't need an intercessor to hear your prayers.

a reply to: FlyersFan

By the way, it's the same reason we were instructed not to pray to angels. Don't pray to dead people unless you're trying to give them credit that they don't deserve. It is an an act of worship whether you admit that to yourself or not.

We can pray to God for other people, but we can't pray to other people for people.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Thanks

a reply to: Deetermined

If you pray to God/Jesus only, I'm sure you'll reach that level of improvement you are looking for.

I agree with you as I began back in Christmas week of 2018. All is documented on a Thread by SLED735 in Paranormal as back then I didnt realize what I was dealing with so I prayed to two uncles, father in law, God and Jesus. I have Sleep Paralysis.

The prayer worked! SP stopped. Other than you know who how can I explain that.

originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Deetermined
The dead did nothing of their own accord. God does all of the work. It was ONLY through the power of God that the disciples or anyone else performed miracles. At least they gave credit where credit was due instead of to the bones of a dead human body.

Sure ... God did the work ... sometimes through the intercession of those who we ask to pray for us.

Those dead people don't receive prayer and they've never had or will have the authority to do so. Your prayers to a wall would be just as effective. Pray to God/Jesus. He doesn't need an intercessor to hear your prayers.

It would be like going to the bank and asking the janitor for a loan, they will never see the light. I feel bad for them but what can ya do?

God's angels have power given to them by God the creator, but we do not pray to them. Mary the mother of Jesus was mortal she has no power. Full Stop

a reply to: Deetermined

And you have shown an unwillingness to examine your own Bible (John 5:40). Did not Jesus condemn believers who placed their faith in a paper pope? (John 5:39)

Also, "you don't know what you're talking about" is an appeal to some sort of logical fallacy which I can't be bothered to pinpoint.

I'll have you know that I was once training to be a theologian.

a reply to: FlyersFan

(John 1:1) That is a matter of translation. In this case, Luther's mistake of translating logos into an absurd abstraction (which elicits no wondrous feeling). As a poet first and foremost, Goethe was not satisfied with Luther's phrase, it was impossible for him to rate the word so highly. In Faust, he proposed "the Mind", then "the Power", and finally settled on "the Act". In German: Im Anfang war die Kraft! ... Im Anfang war die Tat!

Apparently, Goethe proceeded from his interpretation of Genesis 1:2, perhaps he intended to bring John's passage into harmony with it. The two verses start from similar premises ("in the beginning"), but go their separate ways: Genesis 1 in its entirety is a creation narrative, John 1:1-5 is really about the underlying fabric of our reality.

Previously, after glorifying the New Testament as the best source of inspiration for heavenly revelation, Goethe indicates his burning wish to purify Christianity by returning to its roots and translating/transforming the original text into his beloved German, considering the fact that it was originally addressed to Jews. He believed it had to be adapted for his people, and not a cheap adaption either.

In short, he was following in Luther's footsteps. For you see, Luther never envisioned establishing a dogma for all time, he expected his movement to be continually renewed. None of the revolutions which made their mark on this world have ceased in their effects, we are still living under the Copernican & French revolutions.

originally posted by: tenbears
Mary the mother of Jesus was mortal she has no power.

She has no power on her own. She's not God. I never said she was. None of us who pray for others has any power on our own. What I said is that people are called to pray for each other and to ask those in Heaven to pray for you is just fine. They already see God face to face and they can intercede with Jesus for us. There are thousands of verified miracles proving that the saints in Heaven do indeed hear us and intercede for us with Jesus when we ask them to.

And as far as scripture goes .... it shows the dead doing 'marvelous deeds' after death. If scripture is true, then they do indeed intercede before God to get things done on earth. The holy dead don't work miracles on their own ... they intercede with God to get the miracles done.

“Then Elisha, filled with the two-fold portion of his (Elijah’s) spirit, wrought many marvels by his mere word. During his lifetime he feared no one, nor was any man able to intimidate his will. Nothing was beyond his power; beneath him flesh was brought back into life. In life he performed wonders, and after death marvelous deeds.” Sirach 48:12-14

“Elisha died and they buried him. Now the bands of Moabites would invade the land in the spring of that year. As they were burying a man, behold, they saw a marauding band; and they cast him into the grave of Elisha. And when the man touched the bones of Elisha he revived and stood up on his feet.” Kings 13:20-21

originally posted by: hjesterium
(John 1:1) That is a matter of translation.

I don't know about that. Seems pretty clear. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". Every bible I've seen, no matter who publishes and who prints, no matter the time period of publication, has those words. The Jehovahs Witness cult has changed them around in their bible, but I don't buy anything they are selling so I'll stick with the tried and true translation from the original Greek.

a reply to: hjesterium

Your statement that Jesus was just a prophet tells me that you haven't read the scriptures, much less studied them. This is why I say you don't understand scripture or Christianity as a whole.

a reply to: hjesterium

If you don't understand John 1:1-5, then skip to
1 John 5:7.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yeah, I was going to point out that nearly all translations use the same one "Word", which is curious. Was it always like that in Catholic bibles? Was there no shortage of Catholic priests in Luther's day who were familiar with the Latin language?

Also, I must point out instances where most translators have dishonestly translated difficult passages: ronconte.com... Only DRA and YLT remain true to its original meaning, the others interpret it as Saul's reigning for one year or clarify that he was age 30.

a reply to: Deetermined

Again, a matter of translation, the passage about the Father, the Word, the Spirit is a late century interpolation.

a reply to: hjesterium

Yeah, that's what everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about says.