Resist the war machine

I think that whether or not we use the "migrants" for cannon fodder, it's probably a good idea to to give this theory some legs so they think that is what's in store for them in America.

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: TheValeyard

THE EARTH WOULD BE A FAR MORE HUMANE PLACE IF HUMANS DIDN'T EXIST.

THE EARTH WOULD BE A FAR MORE HUMANE PLACE IF HUMANS DIDN'T EXIST.

THE EARTH WOULD BE A FAR MORE HUMANE PLACE IF HUMANS DIDN'T EXIST.

THE EARTH WOULD BE A FAR MORE HUMANE PLACE IF HUMANS DIDN'T EXIST.

THE EARTH WOULD BE A FAR MORE HUMANE PLACE IF HUMANS DIDN'T EXIST.

THE EARTH WOULD BE A FAR MORE HUMANE PLACE IF HUMANS DIDN'T EXIST.

ETC, ETC, ETC!

"The meaning of HUMANE is marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals." - Merriam Webster dictionary. Wishing for all humans to be wiped out when most don't want to be, is by definition, inhumane.
Pick another word and maybe I can agree with you.

And I'm a pragmatic idealist. I simply choose not to encourage violence and make it worse.
If someone calls for violence I'll probably vocally disagree if anyone's gonna hear it.
I also know there will always be conflicts from time to time, and I, as one individual, will be powerless to stop most conflicts.
I just tell people to chill out.
Ever had to break up a fight between friends?
In real life, it usually works IME.


But when you add the religious angle of "my god says I'm special and you aren't and I'm allowed to kill you",
or the angle of "that whole country agrees with me", then suddenly diplomacy no longer works as compromise is impossible.

But ultimately, nothing you or I say about this as individuals is going to affect the outcome at all,
but can incite or discourage peace and harmony between us personally.
We should remember that, because it seems like a lot of people want to take sides.

a reply to: Deetermined

a reply to: Deetermined

"This one is machine and nerve, and has his mind concluded" applies here. World-weary, resigned, does not factor in the unpredictability of history (the human factor, the will is untiring), incapable of seeing the possibility of overcoming a hopeless situation, that hope lies with the people.

a reply to: TheValeyard

Relevant discussion: old.reddit.com...

The "realists" of our time do their best to falsify life. They believe art should reflect reality, art should mix with politics. People consume entertainment to find momentary rest from reality. Then these corrupters pat themselves on the back for making their portrayal as "realistic" as possible, such as in the special episode of Star Wars: Andor or in the behind the scenes interview for American Gods. If they portrayed real people, they would never see the light of day.

www.imdb.com... "I'm so glad I neither had friends like any of these people, and that I never had the misfortune of interacting with anyone who behaved this badly in my youth." (Talk To Me review)

I believe a true realist is one who responds to beauty and is a natural optimist to boot. Check out the composer Alma Deutscher, a child asks why people try to uglify the world.

(Personally, I wouldn't identify as a "pragmatic idealist", that reads like a contradiction.)

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: misskat1

The earth would be a far more humane place if humans didn't exist.


Tell me that isn't true!

The greatest threat to humanity, is humanity.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
And I'm a pragmatic idealist. I simply choose not to encourage violence and make it worse.
If someone calls for violence I'll probably vocally disagree if anyone's gonna hear it.
I also know there will always be conflicts from time to time, and I, as one individual, will be powerless to stop most conflicts.
I just tell people to chill out.
Ever had to break up a fight between friends?
In real life, it usually works IME.


But when you add the religious angle of "my god says I'm special and you aren't and I'm allowed to kill you",
or the angle of "that whole country agrees with me", then suddenly diplomacy no longer works as compromise is impossible.

But ultimately, nothing you or I say about this as individuals is going to affect the outcome at all,
but can incite or discourage peace and harmony between us personally.
We should remember that, because it seems like a lot of people want to take sides.

a reply to: Deetermined

True. This is as a bunch of typed words on the internet that equate to no action or change.

No one wants to discuss this in the MSM, but, this is truly a war of religious idealism.

A holy war.

You’re not going to negotiate your way to peace in this situation. The other side doesn’t want it - Iran doesn’t want it, Hamas doesn’t want it, etc.

So, the unfortunate reality is a lot of people will die. Those are needless deaths because those two religions can and should coexist - but, one side says they can’t. So they won’t.

Much like most all previous religious wars, someone has to “win” in the near term to bring people to the table for peace. Extremists are the first problem, and the barrier to peace.

All of that said, why haven’t say 200 Palestinian’s who want peace/desire to remove Hamas extremism taken up arms and killed/detailed the hostage takers and run Hamas out of town?

Could it be because those Palestinians are deeply sympathetic to, and ideologically aligned with Hamas?

Could be.

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
Extremists are the first problem, and the barrier to peace.

What's your definition for extremists?

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
All of that said, why haven’t say 200 Palestinian’s who want peace/desire to remove Hamas extremism taken up arms and killed/detailed the hostage takers and run Hamas out of town? Could it be because those Palestinians are deeply sympathetic to, and ideologically aligned with Hamas?

So you approve of Herzog's collective guilt branding?

www.jordannews.jo...

I found this to be a very unrealistic demand for him to issue (similarly, Israel's deadline for evacuation, which reminded me of Jeremiah Valeska's demand in the Gotham tv series). The fact is, Israel effectively sidelined organic Palestinian resistance and deprived them of national leaders by almost exclusively giving Hamas media coverage and public recognition.

Also, it's obvious to me who is the real aggressor here: Israel. Only aggressors regard neutrality as justification for "wiping out" the enemy, they're emboldened by their non-resistance. It'd have been more prudent if Herzog had applied his criticism for non-terrorist Palestinian leaders.

It's unrealistic to expect the people to come out on their own, they normally need leaders to rally them to a cause. Two historical anecdotes:

If De Gaulle, as an Army general, "had thrown himself wholeheartedly into the fight against the Axis in a military sense, if he had actually led French troops against the enemy wherever possible instead of spending most of his time in London, he could have rallied far more support to himself among the French and among the United Nations." (Cordell Hull)

"In February 1948, Beneš still commanded enormous respect and authority", and if he had used his moral prestige, he could have rallied public opinion against the Communists. (historian Richard J. Crampton)

According to Lenin, neither the Portuguese nor Turkish revolutions in the 20th century were "people's" revolution since the majority did not initially come out on their own initiative. Wiki: "a military coup by left-leaning military officers", "the conflict was between the Turkish Nationalists against Allied and separatist forces..." Similarly, Hamas is not representative of the Palestinian people.

Instead, he cites the Russian revolution of 1905-07 as an example of a people's revolution. Russian artists (i.e. Mussorgsky, Tolstoy, Gogol) were instrumental in giving rise to the affections which moved people to action.

a reply to: Deetermined

My deal is with God. Not some human with an agenda. That includes you

a reply to: misskat1

Thats fair

a reply to: tenbears

government would use these poor downtrodden souls as cannon fodder to justify the MIC spending do Ya?

Yes I do. The march on China and 100,000's killed which solves the illegal problem. Look at how the USA treats its own troops.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Deetermined

My deal is with God. Not some human with an agenda. That includes you

Then maybe you should try harder to get to know what God said.

a reply to: hjesterium

Hamas is an Islamic extremist group that could not care less about what anyone else thinks but themselves and other extremists like them. They do not deal in rationalizations, negotiations, compromise, or peace based on their interpretation of their religion. Yet they will use lies to try and gain sympathy from outsiders, as that's part of what their religion teaches too. They believe in death to ALL non-muslims, even the non-religious Arabs.

originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Deetermined

My deal is with God. Not some human with an agenda. That includes you

Then maybe you should try harder to get to know what God said.

Actually, what man said and 600 years later wrote down so another man could decide what was 'inspired' and give everyone only what he allowed as 'beliefs'.

Then more men came along and added their own touch of what 'God' said to them, morphing into new religions.

Now everybody picks one and believes they have all the right answers while everybody else is wrong.

It reminds me of politics, D v R. lol

a reply to: nugget1

Believe what you want, but people proclaiming to be Christians should use the Bible as their source for understanding. If they don't, they should call themselves something else.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: nugget1

Believe what you want, but people proclaiming to be Christians should use the Bible as their source for understanding. If they don't, they should call themselves something else.

True that, and most do. It's been my experience after many decades here that 'hypocrite' is a better moniker for most who claim the title of 'Christian'. ....and, yes- I've heard all of the excuses. Jesus loves you.

When it comes down to brass tacks, there's going to be no priest, pastor, evangelical, etc. standing between man and the Creator and each of us are going to answer for all with no middleman telling us what doctrine says we need to believe.

a reply to: Deetermined

You've described the attributes of extremists, but still neglected to provide a definition for "extremism".

Not to defend Hamas but...

could not care less about what anyone else thinks but themselves and other extremists like them.

So you're saying Hamas is capable of showing respect to worthy rivals and enemies.

They do not deal in rationalizations, negotiations, compromise, or peace based on their interpretation of their religion.

So they're not "liberal", just decisive, tenacious, consistent! They have a plan, they have goals.

Yet they will use lies to try and gain sympathy from outsiders, as that's part of what their religion teaches too.

Without Christianity, there'd have been no need for Islam!

The Jesuit lies on principle, their creed is "the end justifies the means" and their striving is for absolute power; the Christian anti-Semite lies on principle, their trick was to "attack the opponent on pseudo-moral grounds." (Nietzsche)

"There are things they’ll say to everyone, and then there’s what they say among themselves." (Lion Feuchtwanger)

The Catholic Church lies on principle: "That it will be necessary sometimes to use falsehood as a remedy for the benefit of those who require such a mode of treatment." (Eusebios)

'Falsehood' is often substituted by Christian apologists for the euphemism 'fiction', which is another way of saying literary myth-making. But isn't the myth more than often the enemy of truth than the lie?

"You assert, Celsus, do you not, that it is sometimes allowable to employ deceit and falsehood by way, as it were, of medicine? Where, then, is the absurdity, if such a saving result were to be accomplished, that some such events should have taken place?" (Origen)

"Does the motive matter? ... Who would not prefer a mask of good manners to the most genuinely disgruntled of faces?" (Hanna Reitsch, Nazi Catholic) i.imgur.com...

What religion do they all base their methods on?! Not the religion of Jesus, but the religion of Eusebios.

The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely... But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. (Philippians 1:17-19)

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie... And not rather (as we are slandered, and as some affirm that we say) let us do evil, that there may come good?" (Romans 3:7-8 DRA, YLT)

"For according to circumstances he [Paul] keeps changing his views about God, as the polypus changes its colours to match the rocks..." (Julian)
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Originally, fascism was not based in Christianity, but on the state. It was only by the fact that it was so popular among Christians that it gradually acquired a Christian character.

Alan Watts: "It is from, principally, white racist Christians that we have the threat of Fascism in this country. Because you see, they have a religion which is militant... onward Christian soldiers marching as to war. Utterly exclusive. Convinced, in advance of examining the doctrines of any other religion that it is the top religion."
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a reply to: Deetermined

The Ten Commandments

a reply to: nugget1

I'm finding here on ATS that some people have defined Jesus as someone other than what the Bible tells us. They mix Christianity with mysticism and still want to call it Christianity, when it contradicts everything Jesus taught.

a reply to: hjesterium

In the end, the Bible warned us that there would be many Anti-Christs. Satan wants to make sure that every religion that survives eliminates Jesus Christ as God and Savior from the final equation. So will it be during the end times, to all of our detriment.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Deetermined

The Ten Commandments

The first commandment says to love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and mind. Shouldn't that make you interested in EVERYTHING that He has to say and not just the commandments? Jesus quoted scripture continually to get people to understand its meaning. When the next Anti-Christ comes, we don't want to be deceived because we didn't heed the rest of His warnings.