Trump fraud case just fell apart

As a former South FLorida Realtor just 1 hour from Mara Logo the Judges assumption that it was worth $18 Million (tax assesed) is laughable. Just go to zillow and there is .50 acres land for sale for $21 Million and ML is 17 acres and has improved property (dwelling) worth several million more. The swamp is pulling all the stops to abuse their power to demonize a man who isn't on their program and can't be controlled! a reply to: network dude

You sir have no idea how lending works! As a former lender and active Florida Realtor I do! You don't like Trump and want to believe the swamps BS that's fine but perhaps you need to get clue perhaps you "need to spend minutes" to get one! I'm more then happy to EDUCATE you about both! a reply to: Duggz

a reply to: Biginpc

As you correctly infer, this isn't about a "crime". Civil court is about punitive action; this is about "punishment".

And...this is a fatal flaw in our legal system right now. Punishment should never be allowed without first a crime having been committed.

a reply to: network dude
Gotta give it to the business insider, the excerpts you provided in your OP were cut and dry and very easy for those not privy to the financial lexicon that can often be confusing and ambiguous. That is a great OP and a great contribution, slam dunk for Trump.

a reply to: sirlancelot

This one fact is so outrageously laughable it should stand on its own with sufficient merit to get the entire matter tossed out of any legal proceeding on planet Earth!

And I don't even particularly like Trump!

It doesn't really matter if Trump is guilty or exonerated-all people will remember is the charges against him and the 'We got him now!' reporting on MSM.

If you try and tell them none of the charges were proven true they think Trump's lawyers must have found a magic loophole to make everything go away.

The slander via MSM propaganda is all the left is going for-because the majority of citizens are either too lazy to do their own investigation or to insecure to have their close-minded, biased comfort zone challenged.

In a conversation with my eldest two years ago she was trying to figure out why it seemed like everything happening had some kind of unknown planned. I pointed out the path to a OWO, to which she started screeching
"I'm so sick of hearing that OWO bullsnipI It's just a bunch of crazy, stupid conspiracy theorists there's no such thing!"

When I pointed out many presidents have actually spoken about a one world government she didn't believe me. Obviously, such topics are too far out of her comfort zone to even educate herself before deciding there's zero truth to them. For people like her, the world is in this mess because the media says it's all Trump's fault for his policies that will take a decade or two to reverse.

She's built such a beautiful world in her mind where everything will work out alright as long as we never, ever elect another non-career politician again. It's a world where I can no longer visit, though. Once you know, you know.

a reply to: Duggz

Really. I go to a car dealer and buy a car for $40,000. As soon as I drive it away the value drops to $30,000. I want the Dealership charged with Fraud, for over valuing the car.

It's the same damn thing.

a reply to: nugget1

It's interesting; I think there is a demographic component to what you suggest also, because this same theme can go the other way too.

Take Bill Clinton for example; he banged an intern in the oval office for cripes sakes (probably more than once), and was legally impeached, but in the eyes of the same public who demonize Trump, Clinton never did a thing wrong.

And, the difference, as you correctly point out, is the way the mainstream media spun it.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: Duggz

Really. I go to a car dealer and buy a car for $40,000. As soon as I drive it away the value drops to $30,000. I want the Dealership charged with Fraud, for over valuing the car.

It's the same damn thing.

And if you have a trade-in car, the dealership inspects it and will give only what they think worth regardless of what you think it's worth.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: nugget1

It's interesting; I think there is a demographic component to what you suggest also, because this same theme can go the other way too.

Take Bill Clinton for example; he banged an intern in the oval office for cripes sakes (probably more than once), and was legally impeached, but in the eyes of the same public who demonize Treump, Clinton never did a thing wrong.

And, the difference, as you correctly point out, is the way the mainstream media spun it.

They can't be shamed or embarrassed because they have no morals

originally posted by: Biginpc

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: Duggz

Really. I go to a car dealer and buy a car for $40,000. As soon as I drive it away the value drops to $30,000. I want the Dealership charged with Fraud, for over valuing the car.

It's the same damn thing.

And if you have a trade-in car, the dealership inspects it and will give only what they think worth regardless of what you think it's worth.

that's the TLDR version. And it would be hard to prove fraud if you told the dealership it was worth 90k. They would smile and still offer you the 30k it's worth, just like Trump's properties.

a reply to: nugget1

What's kind of comical is that Trump's first win was facilitated by the MSM who couldn't get enough of "stupid Trump, look what he said this time", which gave him hours and hours of free screen time, well above any other candidate. All Trump had to do is say outlandish things, and they would cover it. And their viewers ate it up. Had they ignored him, I bet he wouldn't have gotten half the votes he did.

And they are doing much the same thing with the witch hunts. They can't help but cover it, and talk about it, when his supporters only become more galvanized with every charge. He might be elected president with a guilty verdict in one of his cases. And all because they couldn't just put a better choice out there. LOL!

Can you imagine the meetings? "Yes sir, we are aware Mr, Biden is an idiot and has no chance of winning, but perhaps if we invent just one more charge against Trump, all his supporters will change their vote."

originally posted by: sirlancelot
As a former South FLorida Realtor just 1 hour from Mara Logo the Judges assumption that it was worth $18 Million (tax assesed) is laughable. Just go to zillow and there is .50 acres land for sale for $21 Million and ML is 17 acres and has improved property (dwelling) worth several million more. The swamp is pulling all the stops to abuse their power to demonize a man who isn't on their program and can't be controlled! a reply to: network dude

Assuming the judge undervalued Mar-a-lago by using the tax assessment, and let's say it's worth 100% more than assessed, so not $18 to 37 million, but let's say $60 million. Actually how about a $100 million? Actually let's do $150 million.

Is lying about it and overvaluing it by 1000% instead of 2300% still fraud?

a reply to: Mahogany

what did he get from it? Did he borrow against it, and the bank accepted his valuation?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Mahogany

what did he get from it? Did he borrow against it, and the bank accepted his valuation?

Where did he get what from? The loans?

He cheated the banks into giving him loans he wasn't qualified for. And that is fraudulent. Whether the bank fell for it or not makes no difference. Fraud is fraud, whether the victim was naive or not.

Let's use an analogy that is more at our level, not the oligarch level:

You have a business and you give me the keys to your business because you want me to be there first in the morning and open and get everything ready. Only I don't open up, I have trucks waiting outside and I take everything from your business. You call the police and report theft and I get arrested.

My defense is -- well, he shouldn't have given me the keys because he knew I was a bad guy. Do you think the police would drop charges at that point? Are you no longer a victim because you should have known better?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Take Bill Clinton for example; he banged an intern in the oval office for cripes sakes (probably more than once), and was legally impeached, but in the eyes of the same public who demonize Trump, Clinton never did a thing wrong.

"Bill was under heavy job pressure at the time. most likely going through a midlife crisis and some 23 year old floozie who probably tripped every guy she ever saw and beat him to the floor repeatedly through herself at him. It was wrong, but one tiny moment of weakness in no way makes him a bad president." (My MIL.)



Indulgent politics are every bit as bad as indulgent parenting, where the guilty aren't held accountable for their bad behavior. We reap what we sow....

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Mahogany

what did he get from it? Did he borrow against it, and the bank accepted his valuation?

Where did he get what from? The loans?

He cheated the banks into giving him loans he wasn't qualified for. And that is fraudulent. Whether the bank fell for it or not makes no difference. Fraud is fraud, whether the victim was aware of it or not.

Let's use an analogy that is more at our level, not the oligarch level:

You have a business and you give me the keys to your business because you want me to be there first in the morning and open and get everything ready. Only I don't open up, I have trucks waiting outside and I take everything from your business. You call the police and report theft and I get arrested.

My defense is -- well, he shouldn't have given me the keys because he knew I was a bad guy. Do you think the police would drop charges at that point? Are you no longer a victim because you should have known better?

Dumb analogy.

A F’ing billionaire that wasn’t qualified for any loans?
You guys are just ridiculous with this constant BS.

a reply to: RazorV66

I would just love it if they would show shame, at least once in their lives!

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Mahogany

what did he get from it? Did he borrow against it, and the bank accepted his valuation?

Where did he get what from? The loans?

He cheated the banks into giving him loans he wasn't qualified for. And that is fraudulent. Whether the bank fell for it or not makes no difference. Fraud is fraud, whether the victim was aware of it or not.

Let's use an analogy that is more at our level, not the oligarch level:

You have a business and you give me the keys to your business because you want me to be there first in the morning and open and get everything ready. Only I don't open up, I have trucks waiting outside and I take everything from your business. You call the police and report theft and I get arrested.

My defense is -- well, he shouldn't have given me the keys because he knew I was a bad guy. Do you think the police would drop charges at that point? Are you no longer a victim because you should have known better?

Dumb analogy.

A F’ing billionaire that wasn’t qualified for any loans?
You guys are just ridiculous with this constant BS.

I'm just trying to explain to you how the law works.

Have a nice day, man.

a reply to: Mahogany

He paid the loans back with the required interest stipulated by the "contract" agreement.

Simple question...where is the fraud?

Besides that, any sort of loans Trump could have ever even imagined were eclipsed 10,000 fold by loans secured in the sub-prime markets leading up to the 2008 financial crisis. Talk about borrowers and banks misleading loan underwriters, that's the biggest understatement in the history of 'banking' since the Stone Age!!!

It's incomprehensible to think you can possibly make a case that a borrower, who paid back any loans with the required interest, somehow committed "fraud"! Well, other than in order to find a "witch" where one doesn't exist, and then burn that witch at the stake!

You know, I am beginning to honestly feel sorry for people who are so blind to common sense and reality that they will willingly walk off of a cliff if their ideological propaganda tells them to. Why? Because unlike some, I don't wish ill on humanity, and this type of behavior does not bode well for the continued survival of modern society. And, I am not talking about financial failure here either...no, I'm talking about actual continued pulse and breathing type 'survival'!