The CIA Likely Has Evidence if God Exists or Not

originally posted by: wiredcerebellum
Think about it. The question of the Creator to our universe is the greatest question that ever existed. Everyone at their core would likely choose this if a genie came to them with one wish and told them they (genie) would answer any question the person wanted.

So do you believe intelligence agencies like the CIA already have evidence that a God exists or not? If I was the head of an intelligence agency and I had unlimited resources coupled with the most advanced technology known to man, I would surely devote a lot of resources into finding out how humans were truly created. So why don’t people talk about this? Why is nobody asking the CIA if they have delved into the nature of our creation? Why is nobody asking the CIA if they have information on God? They likely have some answers to our creation story, don’t you think?

The CIA are not a cartoon. They do not have limitless resources. They do not have Mission Impossible or Jason Bourne agents. And they are as incompetent as any government run agency.

Here is another question that simulates how you come across:

Why doesn't the CIA use their unlimited resources to bring peace and serenity to every person on the planet?
Why doesn't the CIA use their unlimited resources to change the sky from blue to a rainbow of colors?
Why doesn't the CIA summon demons and angels to fight our wars?

Cartoon questions.

a reply to: Anadandan
OK, but just think of how many souls your sacrifice would save.

You'd outscore that Jesus guy.

a reply to: noonebutme

Alright, I must admit I find your reply far more personable than your
initial comment. Some respectable answers so, let's see where we go
from here without anymore wisecracks on my part.

That was my point. Evolution isn't clever, it isn't intelligent. It's about what survives due to advantageous changes.

Would you say that evolution causes these advantages changes?
And can you tell me anything about what type of environment
would be essential for anything resembling life to first come into
being? Also how does one convince themselves that evolution is
responsble for all the precise complexities needed for life first
to even be possible? And second the complexities of life in and of
itself?

Further more what you've given is no scientific analysis about design.
It's only your very critical and for whatever reason very prejudiced
and seemingly hateful opinion. Albeit you obviously carry with those
negatives a great deal of scientific knowledge. I would simply remind
you that science never proceeds in a closed mind.

I'm also reasonably sure you wouldn't try to explain excistence with
evolution. Surely you realize that existence is the result of for thought
despite your own rigid out look on certain possibilities? And further
more concerning the possibility of a Creator/Designer also comes reason
for existence.

Don't tell me you've never pondered the differences between your
favored possibility and the one for which you show so much disdain.
For instance you wouldn't go to see a magic show and not expect
to see a magician. And I'd doubt very much your opinion would have
the slightest effect on the show when you know nothing about magic.

So frankly your critique is largely crap according to your knowledge
of how life is predetermined and then initiated. The arrogance it
would take to criticize existence (which is surely what you've done)
with your scronny tid bit of knowledge is truly something to behold.

What the hell good as an education that closes your mind to a single
possibility? I wonder what you might find criticizing that? Or maybe
you think you're the perfect result. Oh but that wouldn't work either
because you already said the design is flawed. So that's weird that
a flawed design can point out all it's own flaws because evolution is
all about advantages changes.

You don't see how this started off from stupid, went no where and
ended u[p right back at stupid? You think magic shows just happen?

I'm just trying my hardest to make you understand how what you're
saying just looks ridiculous to me. You suggest a Designer is so absurd
and claim an even greater absurdity in it's stead. I mean what the hell
life just popped into existence at any unlikely point you choose? In a
hostile environment when I don't see that happening anywhere now at
all ever. And how many times did this misguided miracle of evolution
happen?

The dinos were all wiped out millions of years before us so
that's gotta be one time right? Then by chance it's another unintiated
miracle of evolution all with some common ancester POS. Common
man are loking? You buy this convoluted mess? As if it doesn't make
more sense for life to perpetuate from CREATION as both male and
female.

I'm sorry but you're absolutely correct! Evolution isn't that intelligent
to even believe. So don't come off with something stupid to replace
what you only think is stupid. Doesn't work that way for me. The
worst part of an education is when knowledge reeplaces thinking.
The knowledge could be flawed but the thinking is all on you.

So that's me anyway.
.

originally posted by: Saloon
Would you say that evolution causes these advantages changes?

I would say, 'yes', in the sense that it's an indirect result of a mutation to an organism which benefits it. As far as I'm concerned, evolution isn't sentient and the organism isn't saying, "Hey, if I 'mutate' my DNA to give me webbed feet, I'll swim better".

And can you tell me anything about what type of environment
would be essential for anything resembling life to first come into
being?

Well, that's one of the big questions, right? I don't know. I have read lots about the theories on the environment of earth, the primordial base elements needed and so on. I know there's people who say the odds are trillions to 1 that 2 base ingredients combined to form an initial amino acid, which then moved on and on. But, if you look at the periodic table and look at carbon, which is what our base is, it's hugely abundant in the universe and it's highly reactive and also highly stable.

And again, i dont think we can fathom what 'billions' of years actually feels like.

Also how does one convince themselves that evolution is
responsble for all the precise complexities needed for life first
to even be possible? And second the complexities of life in and of
itself?

I would say people shouldn't 'convince' themselves of anything. Read, reasearch, learn about biology, chemistry, physics and then things start to fall into place, because the analysis, discoveries and data isn't made up - it's observable. And that's one of the key things, I believe, for anyone to change their opinions: what's observable? At least for me it is. Hence why, I'm not the religious type. I don't do well on 'faith'.

Further more what you've given is no scientific analysis about design.
It's only your very critical and for whatever reason very prejudiced
and seemingly hateful opinion

Hateful? Not really. Just dismissive and mocking of religious belief, which i think is laughable in the 21st century. And if people are offended that I think their religious beliefs are a pile of sh*t, well... too bad. I don't care if people are offended.

I would simply remind you that science never proceeds in a closed mind.

Oh, you mean like how religions are open minded to change and new information? That type of open mindedness?

And further more concerning the possibility of a Creator/Designer also comes reason
for existence.

.
Only if we're talking about say, some intelligent race of beings who diddled with out ancient DNA which eventually led to humans. That I will consider. But 'God' ? No.. At least, not the 'God' of mainstream religions.

So frankly your critique is largely crap according to your knowledge
of how life is predetermined and then initiated. The arrogance it
would take to criticize existence (which is surely what you've done)
with your scronny tid bit of knowledge is truly something to behold.

Wow. So mean. .

What the hell good as an education that closes your mind to a single
possibility?

Look... I can't reply to all of your text but I'll say this - I'm open minded. Always. HOWEVER, you need to provide me evidence to the claims you make. Or at least a means to prove and test it.

You saying, 'God did it', means nothing because you can't prove it. And if you want to romanticise human history and evolution based on a book written 2000 years ago, that's fine. Fill your boots.

But don't expect to be taken seriously in a room of people who use science and technology to move us forward.

Your computer. Your mobile phone. The clothes you wear. The medical tech that heals you. None of that was derived from God or a supreme being. That was human beings, making observations, seeing problems to overcome and using analysis, testing, study and engineering to overcome them.

So you can say I'm closed mind about accepting the possibility that "God" or some Supreme Being created us all - but unless you have actual evidence, I'm merely saying, "I don't believe you". Also that your God is is a sh*t designer too

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Anadandan
OK, but just think of how many souls your sacrifice would save.

You'd outscore that Jesus guy.

I know, I know. But seriously all I'm saying is God is a reality and there's a way to connect. I would have thought connecting with God would be a prime motivation for anyone anyone. What in life could be more important? But none is going to make it easy for you. It's very much a personal journey.

That Jesus guy does his own thing apparently.

originally posted by: Anadandan

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Anadandan
OK, but just think of how many souls your sacrifice would save.

You'd outscore that Jesus guy.

But seriously all I'm saying is God is a reality and there's a way to connect.

How do you know it's God?

I've had OBE's since first memory. I've encountered beings in the "gray place" -- a dimension of denseness and all encompassing love. But, never considered them God or even God related. Just energy beings doing their thing.

Had to grab the OP title -- drifting too far.

The CIA Likely Has Evidence if God Exists or Not --

Why?

Only if it's an off-planet being working with interplanetary governments.

If God is a title like General -- not some omnipotent, religious based, creator/overseer.

a reply to: LordAhriman
Disagree!!
If the CIA or anyone else PROVED God does not exist this word would have been shouted from the rooftops!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: wiredcerebellum
They KNOW God exist.
They chose to work for the other guy.

You need to have belief in God to believe in the other guy.

Atheist — lack of belief in God.

NO — your wishful thinking that a non-believer KNOWS God exits — is just that — YOUR wishful thinking.

Why are you so angry at something, if you don't believe in it?

A statement is a statement.

Any emotions you are reading into it are yours.

Your emotions led you to comment on a post you thought was directed to you.
You did not take the time to read, instead you lashed out with negativity.

originally posted by: Anadandan
But none is going to make it easy for you.

Why not, if it is so important?

Also, if it is what God wants, why would sharing your technique incur his wrath?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You will go out of your way to post in a thread about God, just to try and insult those who do believe.

What do you think happens when there's a thread on Atheism?

Don't know. I haven't been on one.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: wiredcerebellum
They KNOW God exist.
They chose to work for the other guy.

You need to have belief in God to believe in the other guy.

Atheist — lack of belief in God.

NO — your wishful thinking that a non-believer KNOWS God exits — is just that — YOUR wishful thinking.

Why are you so angry at something, if you don't believe in it?

A statement is a statement.

Any emotions you are reading into it are yours.

Your emotions led you to comment on a post you thought was directed to you.
You did not take the time to read, instead you lashed out with negativity.

NO - the emotions are yours.

I correct wrong info in regards to Atheism.

a reply to: visitedbythem

i saw giant skeletons in the early 60s in a,museum of natural history in utah. i remember them very well.

it was real museum not a sideshow or fake.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: visitedbythem

i saw giant skeletons in the early 60s in a,museum of natural history in utah. i remember them very well.

it was real museum not a sideshow or fake.

Gigantism is a real thing even today.

And NO -- it does not debunk Darwins Evolution theory

Has there been any proof of an entire race of giants?

a reply to: Annee

I have no idea how tall they were but i looked up at them and they were as tall as the grizzly bear standing on two legs in the tackle store who's head touched the ceiling.

These were not just basketball player tall. They were massive.

My father and grandfather drove us to utah specifically to see them on display. they argued about this kind of thing all the time.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: Annee

I have no idea how tall they were but i looked up at them and they were as tall as the grizzly bear standing on two legs in the tackle store who's head touched the ceiling.

These were not just basketball player tall. They were massive.

My father and grandfather drove us to utah specifically to see them on display. they argued about this kind of thing all the time.

I personally believe we are, at least. monitored by off-planet beings.

The Terra Papers make more sense to me than anything else I've read.

a reply to: Annee

i will look that up. thank you!

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: Annee

i will look that up. thank you!

It's a "Wild Ride" -- but makes sense to me. There are ATS threads on the Terra Papers.

Many say it and author have been debunked -- but not really. Just people saying that.

originally posted by: wiredcerebellum
Think about it. The question of the Creator to our universe is the greatest question that ever existed. Everyone at their core would likely choose this if a genie came to them with one wish and told them they (genie) would answer any question the person wanted.

So do you believe intelligence agencies like the CIA already have evidence that a God exists or not? If I was the head of an intelligence agency and I had unlimited resources coupled with the most advanced technology known to man, I would surely devote a lot of resources into finding out how humans were truly created. So why don’t people talk about this? Why is nobody asking the CIA if they have delved into the nature of our creation? Why is nobody asking the CIA if they have information on God? They likely have some answers to our creation story, don’t you think?

CIA can't even answer the question: What is a woman? Let alone know if God exists or not.

I mean the whole society struggles at the moment when trying to answer this difficult question...

a reply to: Annee

I think mainstream academia gets it very wrong,so am open to other theories.

A fictional story that got me thinking years ago about cycles of civilization and collapse is a fun book titled 'The Mote in God's Eye.'. About a very intelligent species that is particularly adept at industry and invention. And breeds like bunnyz.

a reply to: wiredcerebellum

They worship the other guy so thry probably know he's real.