The CIA Likely Has Evidence if God Exists or Not

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: wiredcerebellum
So do you believe intelligence agencies like the CIA already have evidence that a God exists or not?

No. No one has evidence. Not the CIA. Not the Mossad. Not the Vatican. Not the Southern Baptist Convention. Not the cults like Jehovahs Witness. Not the Dalai Lama. etc etc. No one has 'evidence'. It's a matter of faith. People have had personal experiences and that is evidence for them, but there is nothing tangible that can sit in a museum and be offered as proof of God to the people.

This is definitively not true. They absolutely have the answer. Proof exists, they have it. Nobody goes to war over "the holy land" in the middle east for unlimited amounts of money on "faith."

We're not wrangled into these combat events because of other peoples faith; we're the aggressor. Faith is easily broken. Facts are facts, and no matter how easily faith is shaken, proof is definitive.

Obviously we can't show you proof; because they don't want to reveal it; because if they reveal it; it will show who's right and who's not and sides will be chosen.

If God isn't real, why is Palestine/Israel fighting in perpetuity? Why are they rebuilding solomon's third temple? Faith isn't an answer. People will abandon faith because of consequence. Nobody chooses a terrible life full of violence because of faith.

The only person that will ever say that is someone who's never seen combat.

originally posted by: SRPrime
The "Holy Land" is the basis for all conflict in the world. Why would that be, if God was a myth?

And they are all fighting over the holy land over DIFFERENT GODS. Muslims, Christians and Jews don't believe in the same God. Christians have a Trinity - God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Find me a Jew or a Muslim who worships Jesus as God incarnate and then you'll have a Christian and a Jew or Muslim who worships the same God. Until then ... they don't.

People can fight over the Holy Lands, that doesn't prove God exists. It just proves that people can't get their heads straight and don't know the truth and are going to fight about everything anyways. People don't get along.

1/2 the human population calls it 'the Holy Land'. The other half do not. That's a lot that do not.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
anyone who believes in god thinks the answer is self evident and would see no value in proof - some would even see proof as cheapening the whole experience.

anyone who believes there is no god would see no value in throwing away time and money to prove something they see as self evident.

maybe some agnostics who spend a lot of time worrying would waste a precious wish on that but i can't tell you anything about that; know EXACTLY what i'd wish for if i met a genie and god comes nowhere near it. Not in my 3 wishes, not in my top 10, not in my top 100 possible wishes.

in penning this thread you've made a fairly common error; you've mistaken your own personal goals & feelings for a universal experience.

This isn't true. You don't formulate a hypothesis and then conduct tests to prove the hyptohesis and discard the ones that don't.

You accept the truth, no matter what you believe. I was raised catholic; became an atheist, then became agnostic, and now I know by looking at the actions of those that run the world.

That said; if proof one way or the other came out; I'd accept the truth; it's not about how I feel, how you feel, or what you WANT to be true -- it's about what IS true.

The self evident truth is all war is holy, and those waging it are keeping secret esoteric knowledge away from the populace.

Nobody would wage holy war on a global scale on "faith." You do it because your intelligence confirms you need to. The intelligence is esoteric artifacts and devices, secret technology and science.

These secrets answer the question of if god is real, and God is; which is why the world is war torn. Anybody objectively looking at the geopolitical stage should see this outright.

originally posted by: SRPrime
If God isn't real, why is Palestine/Israel fighting in perpetuity? Why are they rebuilding solomon's third temple?

Those are BELIEFS in their particular version of God. Beliefs are not proof.

originally posted by: Saloon
So either God should be fired or evolution sucks? Take your choice right?

That was my point. Evolution isn't clever, it isn't intelligent. It's about what survives due to advantageous changes.

If your God designed humans, then's he's sh*t at his job.

If we're the result of millions of mutations over the course of billions of years, where survival of the fittest supercedes 'smart' design, then it makes sense.

I never ever say evolution is 'smart' or 'clever'.

While choosing please describe how you would do a much more brilliant
job Einstein?

Certainly!
Human Eyes - they would have the ability to see infrared/uv/gamma/xray so we could see the harmful enery waves that cause us harm. I'd also put the light sensitive cells in FRONT of the nerve bundles, not behind.

Nipples on men - why? What benefit? What purpose? No, i would never have had them. Waste of effort

Joints - more robust knee joints and ACLs all round

Genitals - I wouldnt mix the fun stuff with the waste stuff. Keep em separate.

Female periods - Why design that? Why? Just.... why? if you argue a God said, 'Yup, that's good design', then what the f**k was he thinking? WHy not avoid it all together and have 1 sex and have asexual reproduction.

Regeneration - I'd of built in full limb, eye, organ and spine regeneration, not have stem cells stop at certain points.

Look, I could go on and on. Point is, when we design robots and machines, we design them using the best knowledge we have at the time and when we learn more, better ways, we improve. If your God is all knowing and all powerful, why design us so poorly?

In fact provide a resume' and you just might get the job.

No thanks, I don't want masses of weak willed sheep whining and begging 24/7

Critisizing is easy that's why children do it so well.

Adults do it better.

Good to have you around to CORRECT everyone with Godlessness.
You go amigo!

Thanks buddy!

a reply to: noonebutme

Brilliant post.

But, can you throw teeth in there too? As bad "design".

originally posted by: Anadandan
a reply to: wiredcerebellum

Just the notion that God could be investigated is nonsensical
It has ever amazed me that so many people believe God's existence cannot be proven beyond doubt.
We are supposed to believe so reverently that our belief transforms into proof.
Well it's not good enough.
There is a way. It is a way whereby you perform a certain action that gains the personal attention of God. I'm not talking spirits, ghosts, demons and the like. I mean God.
It is extremely risky I will admit and their are repercussions nevertheless the ultimate rewards are literally out of this world.
Am I the only one to refuse to accept or deny God until I had found absolute proof one way or the other?
It seems that way to my everlasting astonishment.

God did nothing when Hitler gassed 6 million of his chosen people. God did nothing when the US dropped two nukes on Japan. If things like that don't get his attention, then he either doesn't care, or doesn't exist.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: wiredcerebellum

I'm not religious at all and don't care either way.

But I highly doubt it.

Belief in God does not require religion, nor is it a prerequisite.

a reply to: wiredcerebellum
They KNOW God exist.
They chose to work for the other guy.

a reply to: wiredcerebellum

The CIA knows nothing. But I believe some people know.
The rest is belief. Those who created us believed in God - because I believe we are created by aliens -our consciousness is not from this world -.
I always make some promotion for my site, if I have a chance. Read it ....or not - no big deal ... (Part of it is in English ...)
www.evawaseerst.be
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a reply to: noonebutme

Human Eyes - they would have the ability to see infrared/uv/gamma/x-ray so we could see the harmful enery waves that cause us harm. I'd also put the light sensitive cells in FRONT of the nerve bundles, not behind.

You would go blind.
The reason the "light sensitive cells" are in front of the nerve bundles is to keep you from going blind.
Essentially, if you could see infrared/UV/gamma, you would not see them for long.
What you are describing is actually the eye of an octopi. Their eyes are made the way you describe, because they live underwater. The water blocks the UV light.

Nipples on men - why? What benefit? What purpose? No, i would never have had them. Waste of effort

Waste of effort or efficiency?
What you are saying is that you want the process more complex, which would be a waste of effort.

Genitals - I wouldnt mix the fun stuff with the waste stuff. Keep em separate.

Again, efficiency. the more orifices one has, the more prone to infection.

Female periods - Why design that? Why? Just.... why? if you argue a God said, 'Yup, that's good design', then what the f**k was he thinking? WHy not avoid it all together and have 1 sex and have asexual reproduction.

Simply because we are not isolationist. We are tribal. We share our feelings with others, and if you find the right person, you get to experience one of God's greatest gifts, Love of another more than yourself.

Regeneration - I'd of built in full limb, eye, organ and spine regeneration, not have stem cells stop at certain points

No idea on this one. I will ask when we meet.
Until then, I will remain satisfied as I know you or I can't do a better job.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: wiredcerebellum
They KNOW God exist.
They chose to work for the other guy.

You need to have belief in God to believe in the other guy.

Atheist — lack of belief in God.

NO — your wishful thinking that a non-believer KNOWS God exits — is just that — YOUR wishful thinking.

originally posted by: zandra
a reply to: wiredcerebellum

The CIA knows nothing. But I believe some people know.
The rest is belief. Those who created us believed in God - because I believe we are created by aliens -our consciousness is not from this world -.
I always make some promotion for my site, if I have a chance. Read it ....or not - no big deal ... (Part of it is in English ...)
www.evawaseerst.be
:

because I believe we are created by aliens

You are correct.

God is an extraterrestrial.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: wiredcerebellum
They KNOW God exist.
They chose to work for the other guy.

You need to have belief in God to believe in the other guy.

Atheist — lack of belief in God.

NO — your wishful thinking that a non-believer KNOWS God exits — is just that — YOUR wishful thinking.

Perhaps looking at who I was responding to and the question that was asked?

But, since you brought it up. Why are you so angry at something, if you don't believe in it?

We have been conversating's for years and there are two things I can always rely on.
1) You will go out of your way to post in a thread about God, just to try and insult those who do believe.
2) You also go out of your way to post on anything related to the premeditated killing of human beings, for convenience.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: wiredcerebellum
They KNOW God exist.
They chose to work for the other guy.

You need to have belief in God to believe in the other guy.

Atheist — lack of belief in God.

NO — your wishful thinking that a non-believer KNOWS God exits — is just that — YOUR wishful thinking.

Why are you so angry at something, if you don't believe in it?

A statement is a statement.

Any emotions you are reading into it are yours.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
You will go out of your way to post in a thread about God, just to try and insult those who do believe.

What do you think happens when there's a thread on Atheism?

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy

originally posted by: Anadandan
a reply to: wiredcerebellum

Just the notion that God could be investigated is nonsensical
It has ever amazed me that so many people believe God's existence cannot be proven beyond doubt.
We are supposed to believe so reverently that our belief transforms into proof.
Well it's not good enough.
There is a way. It is a way whereby you perform a certain action that gains the personal attention of God. I'm not talking spirits, ghosts, demons and the like. I mean God.
It is extremely risky I will admit and their are repercussions nevertheless the ultimate rewards are literally out of this world.
Am I the only one to refuse to accept or deny God until I had found absolute proof one way or the other?
It seems that way to my everlasting astonishment.

God did nothing when Hitler gassed 6 million of his chosen people. God did nothing when the US dropped two nukes on Japan. If things like that don't get his attention, then he either doesn't care, or doesn't exist.

That's not what God does. You watch to many movies, maybe. God doesn't intervene.

The software knows your heart and true feelings and responds accordingly.

Prayer is nothing more than a confirmation of your connectivity. Are you connected? If so, you know you are in 'good hands'. Or do you always just click 'remind me tomorrow' when it asks for an update to your life? I know that's a convoluted way to answer your post, but what I'm trying to say is that God isn't a genie that grants wishes. It is the creator of the software, and you need to read the terms and conditions some more. It's all good stuff - unless you have some sort of malicious intent - if so, then, your contract is void.

Hi
As someone who retired from one of the largest aerospace companies in the world, Raytheon, I can assure you of critical facts.
1). The Earth is a spheroid shaped planet not a flat terrain or land mass.
2). Our sun is a star fueled by converting hydrogen into helium and other elements on the periodic table.
3). The moon is a planetary satellite that helps control our weather and ocean conditions, tides mainly.
4). Modern Physics, physics is a scientific discipline that can be challenged and checked by other scientists around the world and has been validated thousands of times by very intelligent individuals performing experiments and getting the same results. It’s called The Scientific Method.
As a retired engineer and poster on this site I would hope you are not being serious but rather sarcastic. If not
oh well, good luck in life.
Cheers.
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: Anadandan
There is a way. It is a way whereby you perform a certain action that gains the personal attention of God. I'm not talking spirits, ghosts, demons and the like. I mean God.

Care to share?

Second.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Anadandan
There is a way. It is a way whereby you perform a certain action that gains the personal attention of God. I'm not talking spirits, ghosts, demons and the like. I mean God.

Care to share?

Second.

I would secure the wrath of God's anger if I was to reveal the way. I mean that.
But I do possess proof of the Divine. Not for public show .