Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: angelchemuel

its incredibly fast moving as we slide closer to a wider war..

That's what I am thinking but it can still be prevented.

As for International Law, it does exist but the most powerful don't want to be accountable...

Or Hamas that uses human shields, store weapons in mosques and so on. And kidnap and use hostages. Make bad mistakes like Iran shooting down a passenger jet and try to blame others. The truth came out about Flight 752. Hopefully the truth comes out about the hospital and the convey deaths.

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. Priority should be peace.

If you count all the dead people there are more than 5,000 dead from both sides.

This from The Sunday Times YT channel… could be fake, if not, it’s confirmation of a rocket launched from a graveyard behind the hospital, malfunctioning and falling in the vicinity of the hospital's grounds.

Israel’s Defence Forces (the IDF) has released intercepted conversations, claiming to be from Hamas operatives acknowledging the strike on the al-Ahli Arab Hospital had been caused by a misfire from Palestinian militants.

As part of a package of information released by Israel to deny its responsibility for the attack, the IDF posted a conversation between two Hamas operatives.

“It’s from us?” asks a first operative. “It looks like it. They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel,” says the second operative.

The full transcript is in the video…


ETA: Found a full transcript...

TRANSCRIPT OF INTERCEPT CALL BETWEEN HAMAS TERRORIST OPERATIVES

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: I’m telling you this it the first time that we see a missile like this falling, and so that’s why we are saying it belongs to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: What?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: They are saying it belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: It’s from us?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: It looks like it!

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: Who says this?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: What are you saying, [NAME WITHHELD]? [PAUSE] But, God bless, it couldn’t have found another place to explode?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: Never mind, yes, [NAME WITHHELD], they shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: What?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: They shot it coming from the cemetery behind the Al-Ma’amadani Hospital – and it misfired and fell on them.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: There’s a cemetery behind it?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: Yes, Al-Ma’amadani is exactly in the compound.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: Where is it when you enter the compound?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: You first enter the compound and don’t go toward the city and it’s on the right side of the Al-Ma’amadani Hospital.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: Yes, I know it.

ETA2: Oops, should have posted in the Muldar's hospital thread... sorry. I know I shouldn't, but might be important, so cross posting there, too.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: angelchemuel

its incredibly fast moving as we slide closer to a wider war..

That's what I am thinking but it can still be prevented.

As for International Law, it does exist but the most powerful don't want to be accountable...

Or Hamas that uses human shields, store weapons in mosques and so on. And kidnap and use hostages. Make bad mistakes like Iran shooting down a passenger jet and try to blame others. The truth came out about Flight 752. Hopefully the truth comes out about the hospital and the convey deaths.

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. Priority should be peace.

If you count all the dead people there are more than 5,000 dead from both sides.

It appears both sides always agreed on a two-state solution.

The Palestinians chose no agreement over one that did not meet the bare minimum supported by international law and most nations of the world. For years this consensus view supported the establishment of a Palestinian state on the pre-1967 lines with minor, equivalent land swaps that would allow Israel to annex some settlements. The Palestinian capital would be in East Jerusalem, with sovereignty over the holy site known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary or al-Aqsa mosque compound, and overland contiguity with the rest of the Palestinian state. Israel would withdraw its forces from the West Bank and release Palestinian prisoners. And Palestinian refugees would be offered compensation, a right to return not to their homes but to their homeland in the State of Palestine, acknowledgment of Israel’s partial responsibility for the refugee problem, and, on a scale that would not perceptibly change Israel’s demography, a return of some refugees to their pre-1948 lands and homes.

www.theguardian.com...

Is the real sticking point the sovereignty over the holy site in Jerusalem?

Peace does not appear to be attainable.

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originally posted by: Encia22
This from The Sunday Times YT channel… could be fake, if not, it’s confirmation of a rocket launched from a graveyard behind the hospital, malfunctioning and falling in the vicinity of the hospital's grounds.

Israel’s Defence Forces (the IDF) has released intercepted conversations, claiming to be from Hamas operatives acknowledging the strike on the al-Ahli Arab Hospital had been caused by a misfire from Palestinian militants.

As part of a package of information released by Israel to deny its responsibility for the attack, the IDF posted a conversation between two Hamas operatives.

“It’s from us?” asks a first operative. “It looks like it. They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel,” says the second operative.

The full transcript is in the video…

ETA: Found a full transcript...

TRANSCRIPT OF INTERCEPT CALL BETWEEN HAMAS TERRORIST OPERATIVES

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: I’m telling you this it the first time that we see a missile like this falling, and so that’s why we are saying it belongs to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: What?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: They are saying it belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: It’s from us?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: It looks like it!

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: Who says this?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: What are you saying, [NAME WITHHELD]? [PAUSE] But, God bless, it couldn’t have found another place to explode?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: Never mind, yes, [NAME WITHHELD], they shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: What?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: They shot it coming from the cemetery behind the Al-Ma’amadani Hospital – and it misfired and fell on them.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: There’s a cemetery behind it?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: Yes, Al-Ma’amadani is exactly in the compound.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: Where is it when you enter the compound?

HAMAS OPERATIVE #1: You first enter the compound and don’t go toward the city and it’s on the right side of the Al-Ma’amadani Hospital.

HAMAS OPERATIVE #2: Yes, I know it.

ETA2: Oops, should have posted in the Muldar's hospital thread... sorry. I know I shouldn't, but might be important, so cross posting there, too.

At this point both sides are blaming each other. In my OP in the other thread I ve used Reuters and several other sources that were reporting the story but said this needs to be verified. Nothing has been verified yet

a reply to: Encia22

I raise you Bibi's aid deleting this tweet:

originally posted by: Muldar

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. .

Or maybe just Hamas not booby trap convoy routes and use better equipment/ have better training so they don’t kill their own civilians trying to kill Jews.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. .

Or maybe just Hamas not booby trap convoy routes and use better equipment/ have better training so they don’t kill their own civilians trying to kill Jews.

They shouldn't and nobody approved of their tactics. But the war must come to an end.

Both sides have committed war crimes. And the numbers speak for themselves.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. .

Or maybe just Hamas not booby trap convoy routes and use better equipment/ have better training so they don’t kill their own civilians trying to kill Jews.

They shouldn't and nobody approved of their tactics. But the war must come to an end.

Both sides have committed war crimes. And the numbers speak for themselves.

But you want to weaponize international law against Israel and give the as horrendous if not more horrendous war crimes of terrorists a pass.


You, like many don’t actually care about justice.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. .

Or maybe just Hamas not booby trap convoy routes and use better equipment/ have better training so they don’t kill their own civilians trying to kill Jews.

They shouldn't and nobody approved of their tactics. But the war must come to an end.

Both sides have committed war crimes. And the numbers speak for themselves.

But you want to weaponize international law against Israel and give the as horrendous if not more horrendous war crimes of terrorists a pass.


You, like many don’t actually care about justice.

International Law isn't weaponized as you wrongly stated.

Israel has the right to defend its people but not the right to kill innocent civilians in their thousands and commit war crimes.

The existence of Hamas doesn't justify disproportional response or war crimes. That needs to be said and had been said earlier today and yesterday by many leaders of various countries in Europe and elsewhere.

I care about justice and human lives quite a lot. Those lunatics who want the continuation of the war don't care of lives and justice.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

Yes, hopefully it comes out.
Right now the priority should be to stop the way and further hostilities because the incident in the hospital will look like a minor event. .

Or maybe just Hamas not booby trap convoy routes and use better equipment/ have better training so they don’t kill their own civilians trying to kill Jews.

They shouldn't and nobody approved of their tactics. But the war must come to an end.

Both sides have committed war crimes. And the numbers speak for themselves.

But you want to weaponize international law against Israel and give the as horrendous if not more horrendous war crimes of terrorists a pass.


You, like many don’t actually care about justice.

And you could stop with the moronic personal attacks before they come back to haunt you.

originally posted by: Muldar
The existence of Hamas doesn't justify disproportional response or war crimes.

"Disproportional response" ... the idiocy of that statement during wartime by some is unbelievable. In a war, the winning side ALWAYS has a bigger 'response'. That is how they win. If both sides hit each other at the same fire power, then no one wins and the war goes on and on and on. One side has to be stronger and hit harder.

DUMB.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

Just in case people dont know ( i didnt until i searched)

According to hadith (prophetic tradition or report), the black flag was the battle flag of the Prophet Muhammad and it was carried into battle by many of his companions. The image of the black flag has been used as a symbol of religious revolt and engagement in battle (i.e., jihad).

Well, I'm'a just say this.

There's a reason radical Muslims adopted terrorism. Once WW1 is over, they realized they could no longer defeat the "infidels" through traditional military conflict. Western nations had advanced well beyond them in both technology and tactics. So they resorted to asymmetric warfare.

If they wanna go en masse with the West, they're gonna lose. Numbers alone will not save them. Yes there's 2 billion Muslims, but they're not all fanatical enough to fight.

I hope it doesn't come to that.

Our first tech response to them was probably in the late 1700’s, when we outfitted the Marines with thick leather collars, due to their habit / hobby of trying to chop heads off with swords.
I actually believe that’s where the term “leathernecks” came from. Prove me wrong ….

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Muldar
The existence of Hamas doesn't justify disproportional response or war crimes.

"Disproportional response" ... the idiocy of that statement during wartime by some is unbelievable. In a war, the winning side ALWAYS has a bigger 'response'. That is how they win. If both sides hit each other at the same fire power, then no one wins and the war goes on and on and on. One side has to be stronger and hit harder.

DUMB.

The same words used by several leaders who don't want massacres of civilians and war crimes committed in the name of freedom and democracy.
Even Biden is trying to prevent an escalation into a regional war despite the fact that he is in this confused state of mind.

The bigger force (in this case Israel) hasn't been given the green light to annihilate Gaza or to destroy civilian infrastructure and make millions to move from their homes in a massive displacement campaign. Nobody agrees with this.

originally posted by: Muldar
The same words used by several leaders who don't want massacres of civilians and war crimes committed in the name of freedom and democracy. .

Says YOU. It's the same words of WINNERS OF WARS. If someone brings a knife to a fight, you bring a gun. Otherwise you are an IDIOT who is going to get stabbed to death when you don't have to be.

a reply to: Muldar

The Palestinians have a culture in terrorism.

They refuse to recognize Israel as a sovereign nation.

Unless they completely surrender I say burn it all to the ground.

And in case there is anyone out there still trying to lay blame on Israel for the hospital strike -

It's been posted piecemeal before, but here it is all together -

Israeli Drone and Wiretaps Show Hamas Rocket Hit Hospital

Hamas can blame Israel all it wants. It's just propaganda to inflame Muslims.
The TRUTH is that their own rocket hit the hospital. It wasn't Israel.
Yes ... the evidence is clear and everyone can be sure of it.

Jeeeeze. There is no question. End of story.

a reply to: FlyersFan

www.independent.co.uk...

Hamas and Israel have both been accused of breaking international law during their latest conflict, and the United Nations says it is collecting evidence of war crimes by all sides

As you can see there seems to be evidence that both sides have committed war crimes.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Muldar
The existence of Hamas doesn't justify disproportional response or war crimes.

"Disproportional response" ... the idiocy of that statement during wartime by some is unbelievable. In a war, the winning side ALWAYS has a bigger 'response'. That is how they win. If both sides hit each other at the same fire power, then no one wins and the war goes on and on and on. One side has to be stronger and hit harder.

DUMB.

If somebody sucker punches me, yes, I’m planning on landing the next 10 punches. Not gonna carefully throw a punch the same exact power, same exact spot, and say
“blimey, how about that you scalliwag !”

And yea, this is a perfect analogy, doesn’t matter if it’s one person or a million.

If you don’t want 5000 of yours to be harmed, don’t sucker punch 2000 of theirs.

I mean we all learned this in kindergarten, for God’s sake.

originally posted by: Muldar
a reply to: FlyersFan

www.independent.co.uk...

Hamas and Israel have both been accused of breaking international law during their latest conflict, and the United Nations says it is collecting evidence of war crimes by all sides

As you can see there seems to be evidence that both sides have committed war crimes.

The terrorist crimes are too many to list but I’d like to see the actual evidence of Israeli war crimes.
They’ve been accused of them by crooked politicians and some here with no substance.
It’s either propaganda or ignorance of the law, probably both.