Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Muldar

You don't get to determine what proportional is.

Also, you should lookup what a strawman argument is, as I don't think you understand based on your use of the term above....

Lastly, you can shout war crimes all you want and argue it. Yet, Israel, nor the US is within the ICC.....


You've been exposed guy.

The EU has spoken and it's quite clear

European Council President Charles Michel said Tuesday that attacking civilian infrastructure is against international law after Israel was accused of bombing a hospital in Gaza.

Israel has the right to respond but doesn't have the right to annihilate Gaza or kill thousands of civilians or destroy the civilian infrastructure or force mass displacement of people and forced expulsions.

You seem to ignore the basics.
It's your arguments that have been exposed. Thinking that anyone can do anything they want with no consequences.

Yes purposefully bombing a hospital would be a war crime.

Your own thread on the subject contains ample evidence Israel did not bomb the hospital, which is why you ran from that thread. As soon as it became obvious Israel didn't do it, you left. Now you're spreading Hamas propaganda here.

Maybe I'll come back to debunk more of your Hamas propaganda tomorrow. Maybe you can find some problems in China or South America you can blame the Jews for too.

I am afraid you're mistaken again.
The other thread was reporting on Israel attacking the Hospital and I said in my OP this needs to be verified. At that time all media were reporting on the story.

Nothing has been verified yet as both sides blame each other.

As I said earlier

Israel has the right to respond but doesn't have the right to annihilate Gaza or kill thousands of civilians or destroy the civilian infrastructure or force mass displacement of people and forced expulsions.

Here you are using a false equivalency again. Every criticism of Israel is regarded as Hamas propaganda. But this tactic doesn't work well. That's why it's called a false equivalency.

In terms of the 'debunking'... Nothing more than apologising and excusing potential war crimes against innocent civilians

Hamas and Israel have both been accused of breaking international law during their latest conflict, and the United Nations says it is collecting evidence of war crimes by all sides.

www.independent.co.uk...

You see the difference?!
The UN tries to collect evidence of war crimes on both sides (which is reasonable) when at the same time you're trying to excuse and defend one side which seems to have committed war crimes.

a reply to: Muldar

The Netherlands-based ICC has the power to prosecute nations’ officials for violations and order compensation for victims. But some countries – including the United States, Russia and Israel -- do not recognize the court’s jurisdiction, and the ICC does not have a police force to execute arrest warrants.

From your own link.


Boy are you in over your head lol!

a reply to: Muldar

I really don’t get the problem here.

Israel was attacked, many civilians were killed and kidnapped.
They have a right to defend themselves and their country, regardless of what you bleeding hearts say.

When Germany systematically attacked the rest of Europe to start WWII, do you think those countries didn’t have a right to defend themselves by any means necessary?

The USA in the closing months of WWII in the Pacific theater, bombed the sh!t out of Japan and ultimately dropped 2 atomic bombs that destroyed 2 cities with 10s of thousands of civilian casualties that ended the war.
It needed to happen because Japan was not going to surrender any other way.

Terrorists/terrorism in any shape or form needs to be wiped out wherever it is, and if there is some collateral civilian losses, that’s just the way it is.

Israel has given them plenty of time to evacuate.

Air Force 1 is expected to land in Tel Aviv in about half an hour now.


Although heavy air cover will be deployed to protect the aircraft while in the air.


However, that protection might be inadequate to protect the plane once it is on the ground.


The crude rockets used by Hamas do not have internal guidance systems which could be jammed by Electronic Warfare (EW) systems.



Asymmetrical Warfare

a reply to: RazorV66

I really don’t get the problem here.

Israel has slowly and steady stolen the land from Palestine since WW2? If they did not fight back they got to live, many sent to Gaza, others fled elsewhere.

Israel is looking odds on to win the fight against Palestine. With how they are going about, this war ain't going to be over anytime soon, unless those nukes do start going off.

So, the IDF have just done a very comprehensive live press conference saying and showing it was the Islamic Jihad (I take it they are very different to Hammas) who fired the rocket, which failed. Not only that, they showed photo's of the hospital and the destruction claimed by Hamas and the media is nowhere near what is claimed.
The IDF man laid the blame squarely on Islamic Jihad and very much on the media for promulgating the incident world wide. He further itirated that Israel and IDF take attacks on civilians very seriously.
This quite literally happened in last half hour so I have no links ATM.
Also my apologies if this has already been covered, but there were about 10 more pages by the time I woke up this morning and I haven't had time to catch up.
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Jane

a reply to: RazorV66

True, they have a right to defend themselves. I don't think anyone said otherwise especially after 1,400 innocent civilians lost their lives due to the Hamas attacks.

What they don't have the right to is annihilate Gaza or kill thousands of civilians or destroy the civilian infrastructure or force mass displacement of people and forced expulsions. There is no right on this.

There is a difference between defending yourself and taking revenge by killing thousands of innocent civilians bombing them continuously. So far there are over 3,000 dead Palestinians, mostly civilians with a lot of children and women. That seems to be an act of revenge and not an act of self defense.

There is no relevance between what happened in WW2 and what's happening now. If that was true then why not drop a nuke in Gaza or simply destroy the area by bombing them continuously... There is also International Law...and the rest of the world. Both are there to ensure countries cannot do anything they want.

At least 940 children and 1,032 women have been killed, the Hamas government media office said. A World Health Organization (WHO) official has said it believes there have been 2,800 deaths in Gaza, with 11,000 wounded

www.theguardian.com...

That makes at least 1,972 dead women and children from the air strikes in Gaza. That surely can't be right. That's why together with Hamas, Israel is also investigated for possible war crimes.

As I said earlier was crimes have been answered with war crimes. And that describes the situation in a few words.

a reply to: kwakakev

For anyone who hasn't yet come across Mike Wallace. He is an Irish Member of the European Parliament and has described in his speech yesterday the ear crimes committed by Israel. You can find his speech here

youtu.be...

There are more who have spoken out against these air strikes including Jewish people such as James Schneider and Gideon Levy. And many others that I can't remember their names.

a reply to: angelchemuel

youtu.be...

a reply to: Tortuga
Ha! Thank you!
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Jane

a reply to: Muldar

There is no relevance between what happened in WW2 and what's happening now. If that was true then why not drop a nuke in Gaza or simply destroy the area by bombing them continuously... There is also International Law...and the rest of the world. Both are there to ensure countries cannot do anything they want.

there is no such thing as international law only laws the usa decides to enforce, if there was there would be no war in Ukraine and China would not be committing genocide.. all of the myriad of other slaughters and massacres would never have happened, no pol pot,no Idi Amin.

a reply to: angelchemuel

its incredibly fast moving as we slide closer to a wider war..

a reply to: nickyw

Biden has just spoken..... and as usual he went off script etc..... it was embarassing..... he even had 'Q' cards in his hand FFS!
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Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

he reminds me of a mad king George its like the USA has come full circle from one dementia case to another.

I honestly don't know why hes there as yesterday the plane of Germanies scholz had to be evacuated before take off.. von de lair had to be rushed to a bomb shelter as did cleverly on his visit.

given the usual protections given for the US Pres wtf is he doing in a zone he could get hit.. do they want him gone?

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: angelchemuel

its incredibly fast moving as we slide closer to a wider war..

That's what I am thinking but it can still be prevented.

As for International Law, it does exist but the most powerful don't want to be accountable...

Oh great. Hamas mostly likely the cause of deaths of the convoy and hospital lead to this thought. What happens when Iran /ucks up a nuclear test and blames Israel for a nuclear attack.

The only consolation is jihadists are brainwashed into thinking they have their god’s blessing so they have bad discipline, and guaranteed total victory. And make bad mistakes. And it’s a real mental shock when war doesn’t go their way. And they start to wonder why they don’t have total victory by now.

But the social media jihadists are experts at propaganda and lies. And they play to class division politics in their own way.

People don’t want truth, they want to be justified victims.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: angelchemuel

its incredibly fast moving as we slide closer to a wider war..

That's what I am thinking but it can still be prevented.

As for International Law, it does exist but the most powerful don't want to be accountable...

Or Hamas that uses human shields, store weapons in mosques and so on. And kidnap and use hostages. Make bad mistakes like Iran shooting down a passenger jet and try to blame others. The truth came out about Flight 752. Hopefully the truth comes out about the hospital and the convey deaths.

a reply to: Muldar

the us set up courts post ww2 and a rules based order for its rules and its order but there is no one world gov, court or police force to implement it bar the one the us supplies, no matter what anyone wishes the arrest warrant for Putin will go nowhere, just as no one will issue one for xi or the Saudis over Yemen ort Iran over the hijab protests, there is a constant flow of abuse, of torture that passes everyone by because it can't be stopped.

The institutions we have have zero real power to intervene, just as all the institutions that came before had no power, the world changes when that weakness becomes apparent, it puts war just around the corner, the league of nations tried to sanction Italy for its invasion of Ethiopia, proving like the un its a meaningless body.

you argue on the brand case but its as true there as here, Rumble is in Canada as YouTube in the US or bitchute in the uk, there is no legislative body or police force to make all of them to obey the same set of rules.

The idea of a rules based order is just a comforting lie.

a reply to: nickyw

It's true that is very difficult to enforce the laws when the most powerful are involved. There is no higher power to hold them into account even if the laws exist. That's the main issue and it has been as far as I remember.