Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

a reply to: Muldar

I recall 1000+ Israelis and American civilians being killed last week.



I don't think those civilians started this conflict....

a reply to: Muldar

Even I don't agree with this, that would be the definition of insanity.

I wish there were another way, a middle road not yet explored, but my fear is that the clock has run out of time

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Muldar

I recall 1000+ Israelis and American civilians being killed last week.



I don't think those civilians started this conflict....

No. It hasn't been claimed they did.
It's actually 1,400 by now.
But what makes you think anyone blames the civilians on either side of this conflict.

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: Muldar

Even I don't agree with this, that would be the definition of insanity.

I wish there were another way, a middle road not yet explored, but my fear is that the clock has run out of time

You mean for a generalised conflict?

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

That's how it starts.

The wise move for Israel is to back off and go straight to the negotiations table.

Otherwise they are risking a generalized conflict and the West (mostly us) won't necessarily be able to help. An invasion of Gaza could bring an attack by Iran and then it's when things spiral out of control.

Iran's ability to attack Israel is limited to ballistic missiles. They don't really have the power projection capability to attack Israel with aircraft or their ground army.

Iran has a very capable missile force that does pose a threat, but Israel and American missile defense systems can intercept a certain percentage of their missiles. After their initial attack, it's a losing battle for them as Israel can project far more power than they can and take out their missile systems and C2 and lots of other targets that Iran really can't afford to lose.

And I really doubt China or Russia is gonna risk WW3 to come to Iran's defense. Everyone thought Russia would protect Syria if we bombed Syria. Trump bombed Syria and Russia didn't do anything.

If Iran chooses to get directly involved, I think it's a serious miscalculation on their part.

All of this depends on Biden showing some backbone though and so far he hasn't.

a reply to: Muldar

There goes your entire point.


You don't get to attack civilians while also claiming to care about civilians.


I understand you want it both ways, hell, I want it both ways.


Reality however does not allow for that and for you to argue that it should be Israel who calms down shows where your bias lies.

a reply to: Muldar

no, I mean for these specific set of events, right now.

My fear is that there is no more time, or will, on either side for negotiations

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

That's how it starts.

The wise move for Israel is to back off and go straight to the negotiations table.

Otherwise they are risking a generalized conflict and the West (mostly us) won't necessarily be able to help. An invasion of Gaza could bring an attack by Iran and then it's when things spiral out of control.

Iran's ability to attack Israel is limited to ballistic missiles. They don't really have the power projection capability to attack Israel with aircraft or their ground army.

Iran has a very capable missile force that does pose a threat, but Israel and American missile defense systems can intercept a certain percentage of their missiles. After their initial attack, it's a losing battle for them as Israel can project far more power than they can and take out their missile systems and C2 and lots of other targets that Iran really can't afford to lose.

And I really doubt China or Russia is gonna risk WW3 to come to Iran's defense. Everyone thought Russia would protect Syria if we bombed Syria. Trump bombed Syria and Russia didn't do anything.

If Iran chooses to get directly involved, I think it's a serious miscalculation on their part.

All of this depends on Biden showing some backbone though and so far he hasn't.

I think Iran's bluster lately is to intimidate Biden into trying to influence the Israelis to hold back, and it's probably working because Biden is the weakest president we've had in 100+ years.

a reply to: face23785

Words mean little.


Lets see what actions they take after his visit.


With all the ties to Iran from the Biden admin, it's not looking great for his regime.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Muldar

There goes your entire point.


You don't get to attack civilians while also claiming to care about civilians.


I understand you want it both ways, hell, I want it both ways.


Reality however does not allow for that and for you to argue that it should be Israel who calms down shows where your bias lies.

There is no bias from me when there is threat for a generalised conflict. Israel must have a proportional response and war crimes committed by one side cannot be answered by war crimes by the other side.

You're very mistaken if you think I chose sides.

Israel has already killed 3,000 Palestinians (mostly civilians). That's not an act of defense but an act of revenge. They have killed double the number of civilians Hamas has killed. They need to back off and let diplomacy do the rest.


Here is what Mike Wallace said who is a member of the European Parliament

Israel's list of war crimes grow by the minute

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers


Those who have biases cannot see that war crimes are committed on both sides of this conflict.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

That's how it starts.

The wise move for Israel is to back off and go straight to the negotiations table.

Otherwise they are risking a generalized conflict and the West (mostly us) won't necessarily be able to help. An invasion of Gaza could bring an attack by Iran and then it's when things spiral out of control.

Iran's ability to attack Israel is limited to ballistic missiles. They don't really have the power projection capability to attack Israel with aircraft or their ground army.

Iran has a very capable missile force that does pose a threat, but Israel and American missile defense systems can intercept a certain percentage of their missiles. After their initial attack, it's a losing battle for them as Israel can project far more power than they can and take out their missile systems and C2 and lots of other targets that Iran really can't afford to lose.

And I really doubt China or Russia is gonna risk WW3 to come to Iran's defense. Everyone thought Russia would protect Syria if we bombed Syria. Trump bombed Syria and Russia didn't do anything.

If Iran chooses to get directly involved, I think it's a serious miscalculation on their part.

All of this depends on Biden showing some backbone though and so far he hasn't.

It's better not to take chances given the risks.
A generalised conflict is a real possibility and I don't think the Muslim countries will only depend on their missile capabilities.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

That's how it starts.

The wise move for Israel is to back off and go straight to the negotiations table.

Otherwise they are risking a generalized conflict and the West (mostly us) won't necessarily be able to help. An invasion of Gaza could bring an attack by Iran and then it's when things spiral out of control.

Iran's ability to attack Israel is limited to ballistic missiles. They don't really have the power projection capability to attack Israel with aircraft or their ground army.

Iran has a very capable missile force that does pose a threat, but Israel and American missile defense systems can intercept a certain percentage of their missiles. After their initial attack, it's a losing battle for them as Israel can project far more power than they can and take out their missile systems and C2 and lots of other targets that Iran really can't afford to lose.

And I really doubt China or Russia is gonna risk WW3 to come to Iran's defense. Everyone thought Russia would protect Syria if we bombed Syria. Trump bombed Syria and Russia didn't do anything.

If Iran chooses to get directly involved, I think it's a serious miscalculation on their part.

All of this depends on Biden showing some backbone though and so far he hasn't.

It's better not to take chances given the risks.
A generalised conflict is a real possibility and I don't think the Muslim countries will only depend on their missile capabilities.

Playing it safe gives a green light to your enemies to escalate.

Ask Britain how it worked with Hitler.

If you think Iran can use other capabilities against Israel, please enlighten me how.

a reply to: Muldar

There is no bias from me when there is threat for a generalised conflict. Israel must have a proportional response and war crimes committed by one side cannot be answered by war crimes by the other side.

Again, the holes in your applied logic are showing. War crimes arent the thing you think they are.

There is no bias from me

Then goes on to complain about Israel.


You look foolish and your arguments aren't convincing anyone because they are foolish.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Muldar

There is no bias from me when there is threat for a generalised conflict. Israel must have a proportional response and war crimes committed by one side cannot be answered by war crimes by the other side.

Again, the holes in your applied logic are showing. War crimes arent the thing you think they are.

There is no bias from me

Then goes on to complain about Israel.


You look foolish and your arguments aren't convincing anyone because they are foolish.

They are here (the war crimes) as described by Mike Wallace who is a member of the European Parliament

Israel's list of war crimes grow by the minute

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

The only people who are not convinced are those who have taken the view that Israel has the green light to occupy Gaza and kill as many civilians as possible.

Again... War crimes cannot be answered with war crimes. Israel has already taken revenge killing more than 3,000 people.

You still haven't put down a reasonable argument.
What holes are you talking about when you can't even have a valid argument...

a reply to: Muldar

Are you an NPC?

What holes are you talking about when you can't even have a valid argument...

Your argument, that you provided on multiple threads. The "war crimes" nonsense......



I see you're new....

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

That's how it starts.

The wise move for Israel is to back off and go straight to the negotiations table.

Otherwise they are risking a generalized conflict and the West (mostly us) won't necessarily be able to help. An invasion of Gaza could bring an attack by Iran and then it's when things spiral out of control.

Iran's ability to attack Israel is limited to ballistic missiles. They don't really have the power projection capability to attack Israel with aircraft or their ground army.

Iran has a very capable missile force that does pose a threat, but Israel and American missile defense systems can intercept a certain percentage of their missiles. After their initial attack, it's a losing battle for them as Israel can project far more power than they can and take out their missile systems and C2 and lots of other targets that Iran really can't afford to lose.

And I really doubt China or Russia is gonna risk WW3 to come to Iran's defense. Everyone thought Russia would protect Syria if we bombed Syria. Trump bombed Syria and Russia didn't do anything.

If Iran chooses to get directly involved, I think it's a serious miscalculation on their part.

All of this depends on Biden showing some backbone though and so far he hasn't.

It's better not to take chances given the risks.
A generalised conflict is a real possibility and I don't think the Muslim countries will only depend on their missile capabilities.

Playing it safe gives a green light to your enemies to escalate.

Ask Britain how it worked with Hitler.

If you think Iran can use other capabilities against Israel, please enlighten me how.

You seem to forget that if Hamas can kill 1,400 people in a matters of hours or days imagine what countries like Iran or Turkey can do or other Arab countries that have enough man power and are better equipped.

My point is that it's best not to start a regional conflict. An invasion of Gaza which will come at a cost of many more lives from both sides it will start a domino effect.

a reply to: Muldar

My point is that it's best not to start a regional conflict

Then why aren't you screaming this at Hamas from the rooftops instead of infesting thread after thread with nonsense?

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: JinMI
Black flags on mosques in Iran.

Tehran streets are filled.
Beruit streets.
Amman streets.


And Biden decides to head into Israel?

Man, this is weird...

That's how it starts.

The wise move for Israel is to back off and go straight to the negotiations table.

Otherwise they are risking a generalized conflict and the West (mostly us) won't necessarily be able to help. An invasion of Gaza could bring an attack by Iran and then it's when things spiral out of control.

Iran's ability to attack Israel is limited to ballistic missiles. They don't really have the power projection capability to attack Israel with aircraft or their ground army.

Iran has a very capable missile force that does pose a threat, but Israel and American missile defense systems can intercept a certain percentage of their missiles. After their initial attack, it's a losing battle for them as Israel can project far more power than they can and take out their missile systems and C2 and lots of other targets that Iran really can't afford to lose.

And I really doubt China or Russia is gonna risk WW3 to come to Iran's defense. Everyone thought Russia would protect Syria if we bombed Syria. Trump bombed Syria and Russia didn't do anything.

If Iran chooses to get directly involved, I think it's a serious miscalculation on their part.

All of this depends on Biden showing some backbone though and so far he hasn't.

It's better not to take chances given the risks.
A generalised conflict is a real possibility and I don't think the Muslim countries will only depend on their missile capabilities.

Playing it safe gives a green light to your enemies to escalate.

Ask Britain how it worked with Hitler.

If you think Iran can use other capabilities against Israel, please enlighten me how.

You seem to forget that if Hamas can kill 1,400 people in a matters of hours or days imagine what countries like Iran or Turkey can do or other Arab countries that have enough man power and are better equipped.

My point is that it's best not to start a regional conflict. An invasion of Gaza which will come at a cost of many more lives from both sides it will start a domino effect.

I don't forget that at all. I just don't see it playing out like that.

On the other hand, we know what Israel trying to placate the Palestinians does. It invites more attacks.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Muldar

Are you an NPC?

What holes are you talking about when you can't even have a valid argument...

Your argument, that you provided on multiple threads. The "war crimes" nonsense......



I see you're new....

They have been recorded here by Mike Wallace member of the European Parliament.


1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers


James Schneider has also spoken out. He is a British Jew and member of the Labour party.

Gideon Levy who is a well known Jewish Journalist has said the same thing i.e that Israel has committed war crimes.

I see you don't know what you are talking about. If you think war crimes are nonsense you are confused.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Muldar

My point is that it's best not to start a regional conflict

Then why aren't you screaming this at Hamas from the rooftops instead of infesting thread after thread with nonsense?

Hamas cannot start a regional war. They are surrounded and have nowhere to go. Whether a regional war starts depends on Israel and the other Muslim countries.

The nonsense is all yours my friend that you have called war crimes as nonsense.