Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

a reply to: andy06shake

And yet no proof of a global flood around 2000BCE, imagine that.

why do you go back to a point you know it not the case... We established the flood story event and other parts of the bible are in sources for older than the date you give. Making it an earlier narrative.

Mr Smiths are those in the matrix that will do what ever it takes to uphold a belief system they know to be broken..

a reply to: purplemer

It's a valid point that blows the ark nonsense out the water that's why.

And who is this "we" of which you speak.

The account of that story establishes nothing, because it's complete tripe.

a reply to: purplemer

We've been over this. People agree with you that there were much older regional floods and that it is possible that stories come from those floods. What we all are saying is that the Noahs Flood story - in which 8 people and a boat full of animals are the only survivors in a world completely covered with water in 2400BC - is false.

a reply to: purplemer

The only broken "belief system" is the one that upholds Noah's Ark as being real.

originally posted by: Freeborn

So, do you think arbitrarily bestowing God like powers 'to manipulate matter' on pre-flood man will give any sort of validity to your argument?
Is there any evidence to support this belief of yours?

I'm speculating off their increased longevity, I am assuming it wasn't just longer lifespans that these people were imbued with. Many were children of angels.

If Noah had these Jesus like powers to perform miracles and 'manipulate matter' why did it take him so long to build his ark?

It never says unambiguously how long it took the ark.

Your arguments seem to be getting more desperate and quite frankly ridiculous by the day.
Seems to me you are willing to imagine, twist and manipulate anything and everything to fit into your set-in-stone belief that the Great Flood and Ark stories are true whilst wilfully ignoring anything you can't bend, re-interpret or counter.

Improved capabilities is not even part of my argument for the flood, it is just speculation

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Wrong. They need water to survive.

"Water is also absorbed from the gumleaves, so that Koalas rarely need to drink, although they can do so if necessary"

From eating EUCALYPTUS. Not 'plants'.

Most plants have the about 2/3 water concentration. It is the water content, There is nothing special about eucalyptus that packs more water

For the 9th time .... they NIBBLE on other plants.

for the 10th time, no they don't, they eat other plants:

"Koalas like a change, too, and sometimes they will eat from other trees such as wattle, tea tree or paperbark."

www.savethekoala.com...

Just face it, it would be dumb to think that koalas can only survive off one food on the planet.

"Because koalas are so specialized in their diet, they can face serious consequences if they are deprived of eucalyptus leaves. Generally, they can only survive a few days without eucalyptus before experiencing nutritional deficiencies and dehydration. If food deprivation continues, they can suffer from liver and digestive system diseases, and ultimately, death.".

keyword is "can" not "will". I can face serious consequences from eating McDonald's, it doesn't mean I will. Animals are adaptable to various diets.

originally posted by: cooperton
It never says unambiguously how long it took the ark.

Simple math says it would have been 75-100 years for Noah to build the ark.
It never would have been built. The ark would have rotted away before it could be finished.

How Long Did It take For Noah To Build The Ark
Verse by Verse - How Long Did Noah Take To Build The Ark
Bible Hermeneutics - How Long Did Noah Take Building The Ark

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: purplemer

The only broken "belief system" is the one that upholds Noah's Ark as being real.

non-living matter becoming Microbes and then turning into humans over a billion years is thermodynamically impossible. Noah's ark is just implausible, not impossible.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Simple math says it would have been 75-100 years for Noah to build the ark.
It never would have been built. The ark would have rotted away before it could be finished.

How Long Did It take For Noah To Build The Ark
Verse by Verse - How Long Did Noah Take To Build The Ark
Bible Hermeneutics - How Long Did Noah Take Building The Ark

as stated before, old growth trees are stronger and more water resistant due to the stronger concentration of resin, it is not like they were using modern day home depot pine that spoils when wet for prolonged periods. They also had water-proofing pitch that protects the wood even further.

originally posted by: cooperton
for the 10th time, no they don't, they eat other plants:

For the 10th time ... they NIBBLE on other plants. They HAVE TO HAVE eucalyptus to survive. It's their MAIN DIET. Not by choice .. by necessity.

bescienced.com...

"Because koalas are so specialized in their diet, they can face serious consequences if they are deprived of eucalyptus leaves. Generally, they can only survive a few days without eucalyptus before experiencing nutritional deficiencies and dehydration. If food deprivation continues, they can suffer from liver and digestive system diseases, and ultimately, death.".

What Do Koalas Eat
Britannica Koalas
Save the Koala

Just face it, it would be dumb to think that koalas can only survive off one food on the planet.

Just face it, you have been proven wrong.

keyword is "can" not "will". I can face serious consequences from eating McDonald's, it doesn't mean I will.

Not even remotely the same thing.

Animals are adaptable to various diets.

Nope. Not that adaptable.

Sydney.edu - 9 Facts about Koalas

A koala eats 800g of eucalyptus a day. Two would eat 1600g a day. A years supply of eucalyptus for two koalas would be 584,000g. Noah would have had to have gathered 584,000g of eucalyptus and stored it on the ark and kept it fresh for a year. That's impossible. He had no access to Australia and Fresh cut eucalyptus lasts only 3-8 weeks

- The Koalas couldn't get from Australia to the Middle East. And no, the continents didn't look different in 2400BC and even if they did, Koalas walk slow and sleep 20 hours a day. They couldn't have made it.

- The Koalas HAVE TO HAVE eucalyptus or they die. There is none in the Middle East and there was no way for Noah to get any to store on the ship, and eucalyptus doesn't last more than 3-8 weeks when cut so it all would have died anyways.

Koalas .. and kangaroos ... prove the Noahs Flood story didn't happen.

a reply to: cooperton

- They didn't know how to build the boat.
- The boat would would taken 100 years to build.
- It would have rotted before it was even remotely finished.
- And no, there wasn't enough resin to cover the boat.
- And no, even the resin wouldn't make it last a hundred years, and then last in the pounding it would have taken by the rain and flood and wild oceans.

EPIC FAIL.

originally posted by: cooperton
Noah's ark is just implausible, not impossible.

No. It's impossible. Everything posted proves the story is impossible.
Read and learn.

The Impossible Voyage of Noahs Ark - National Center for Science Education

The Physical Impossibility of Noahs Ark

Penn State University - The Examination - Noahs Ark Didn't Happen

The Impossible Voyage of Noahs Ark - paper available

How Stuff Works - Could Noahs Ark Really Have Happened?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

- It would have rotted before it was even remotely finished.

Healthier, stronger wood, and pitch would have allowed it to survive

- And no, there wasn't enough resin to cover the boat.

What? Go outside to a pine forest and you'll see every tree is dripping with fresh resin ready to be made into pitch.

- And no, even the resin wouldn't make it last a hundred years

You can re-apply coats. especially thicker cuts will be able to last longer. Even thin 1" fence boards of Acacia or cedar can last up to 25 years, much thicker wood will last even longer especially with water-proofing treatment

originally posted by: FlyersFan
For the 10th time ... they NIBBLE on other plants. They HAVE TO HAVE eucalyptus to survive. It's their MAIN DIET. Not by choice .. by necessity.

Another source says otherwise:

"Koalas like a change, too, and sometimes they will eat from other trees such as wattle, tea tree or paperbark."

www.savethekoala.com...

originally posted by: cooperton
Also animals likely would have came nicely fattened and fed. If God could summon them then they also were prepared for the journey.

Nope. Just the opposite. If animals were forced to swim across oceans and walk across continents, without access to their necessary food sources (or in many cases -even ANY food sources), they wouldn't show up 'nicely fattened and fed'. What are they going to eat, swimming across an ocean for years and years? (hell, they couldn't swim across oceans anyways)

Obviously your statement makes zero sense.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: cooperton
Also animals likely would have came nicely fattened and fed. If God could summon them then they also were prepared for the journey.

Nope. Just the opposite. If animals were forced to swim across oceans and walk across continents, without access to their necessary food sources (or in many cases -even ANY food sources), they wouldn't show up 'nicely fattened and fed'. What are they going to eat, swimming across an ocean for years and years? (hell, they couldn't swim across oceans anyways)

You act as though they had to get on the ark the moment they arrived. They would have had time upon arrival to fatten up. And again, geography would have very likely been vastly different, you are basing it off contemporary geography. The pre-flood world could have very well been one supercontinent.

originally posted by: cooperton
Healthier, stronger wood, and pitch would have allowed it to survive

Nope. Not for a hundred years. It would have rotted in the environment and the length of time. Even strong healthy wood for backyard fences that have been treated to withstand the environment don't last much more than 10-15 years.

What? Go outside to a pine forest and you'll see every tree is dripping with fresh resin ready to be made into pitch.

Were there mountains of pine forests for Noah and his sons to go harvest in Mesopotamia ? They were awfully busy little beavers ... traveling the world to collect animals and food, and at the same time spending a hundred years building a boat they knew nothing about AND collecting resin from trees. Pfffft. Nope.

You can re-apply coats. especially thicker cuts will be able to last longer. Even thin 1" fence boards of Acacia or cedar can last up to 25 years, much thicker wood will last even longer especially with water-proofing treatment

You are making that up. You have no idea how long wild unprocessed pine resin lasts on wood that is subjected to the elements for 100 years. And 25 years isn't 100 years.

"Koalas like a change, too, and sometimes they will eat from other trees such as wattle, tea tree or paperbark."

NIBBLING on other things is NOT the same as eating from a food source that they HAVE TO HAVE. What part of the don't you get? They will DIE without eucalyptus specifically.

bescienced.com...

"Because koalas are so specialized in their diet, they can face serious consequences if they are deprived of eucalyptus leaves. Generally, they can only survive a few days without eucalyptus before experiencing nutritional deficiencies and dehydration. If food deprivation continues, they can suffer from liver and digestive system diseases, and ultimately, death.".

originally posted by: cooperton
You act as though they had to get on the ark the moment they arrived. They would have had time upon arrival to fatten up.

You are making that up. And even if they 'fattened up', their belly fat wouldn't last a whole year on the ark. And what exactly would the animals fatten up on when their primary food sources were not there. Koalas. Pandas. Etc.

And again, geography would have very likely been vastly different, you are basing it off contemporary geography. The pre-flood world could have very well been one supercontinent.

Again, you are making that up. The world was exactly the same in 2400bc as it is today.

Mental gymnastics is all you have.
You have been proven wrong.

ATS is now the official Noah's Ark Global Flood discussion board apparently.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Nope. Not for a hundred years. It would have rotted in the environment and the length of time. Even strong healthy wood for backyard fences that have been treated to withstand the environment don't last much more than 10-15 years.

That is new growth wood you are referring to, old growth wood is much stronger. Also fences are usually less than 1" thick. The beams for the ark would have at least been 24" thick, and imbued with natural resin that would protect it from decay. Continual application of water-proofing will also ensure protection.

Take teak wood for example:

"Teak wood lasts between 75 and 100 years outside, even longer when properly maintained. Teak has been popular for centuries for outside uses, such as boats. It has a beautiful honey color that can be maintained with proper care. As it ages, it can turn to a silver color that is just as aesthetically pleasing. Sealing a teak deck or outdoor furniture should occur within two weeks of construction and should be done as necessary after. A regular cleaning schedule will help maintain teak wood’s color and appearance."
link

Also take the obvious example that there are wooden boats on earth today that are hundreds of years old:

HMS Victory (United Kingdom): Launched in 1765 and still proudly serving as the flagship of the First Sea Lord in Portsmouth, England, the HMS Victory holds the official title of the "world's oldest commissioned warship still in service."


Can you admit you were wrong on this one?

originally posted by: Ohanka
ATS is now the official Noah's Ark Global Flood discussion board apparently.

lol I like how it just changed to a different thread too. I know it gets heated, but no hard feelings to any of you all