Why Trump has a bench trial rather than a jury trial

a reply to: jrod

Good thing we have you to keep us all on track about that Bad Orange man.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: face23785


Alright so you sre trying to discredit me because I thought the person was referring to the bull# impeachment inquiry that will go nowhere...

Yeah, no, that's not what happened. Let's review, since you can't do anything but lie:

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: jrod

There have been congressional hearings on BIden's DoJ working with social media to suppress free speech. If you haven't been paying attention, I'm not doing homework for you.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Congressional hearings ..no.

Inquiries led by MAGA 'Republicans' void of facts and evidence are NOT hearings.

He didn't mention the impeachment inquiries. He didn't mention the subject of the impeachment inquiries. And it wasn't buried in a long post either where you could possibly miss it. It was literally the first line of the post you were replying to, he was very specific about which hearings he was talking about.

So you're either so grossly uninformed that you don't know what the impeachment inquiries are about, or you're lying.

AND, not only that, even if you were talking about the impeachment inquiries, you're STILL wrong, because those are hearings as well. Again, from C-SPAN:



and from congress.gov:



It's time to give it up man. No matter how you try to spin it, you're wrong. And you're uninformed. Don't get mad at me, get mad at wherever you get your very limited information.

By the way, you need to look up what a straw man is. IF you made a mistake and mistakenly made a false claim, me taking your false claim apart is not a straw man.

You're batting 0.000 here.

a reply to: jrod

We have an FBI (amongst other agencies) that is protecting your president from its political opponents by sitting on Hunters laptop, Bidens daughters diary and the whole corruption case, who is making sure Google, youtube, facebook, and all major news networks play their tune with the algorithm and by banning and canceling dissenting voices and you ask for proof of Biden attacking freespeech. Youre brainwashed.

a reply to: face23785

Im used to the misuse of definitions of words from the left. The idea is to give importance to the political shenanigans of the left, by using the proper terminology. But the same actions by the right are denigrated as political theatre that does not have the same level of power nor importance.

More gaslighting word games. I'm used to it, call it out every time I see it.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: face23785

Im used to the misuse of definitions of words from the left. The idea is to give importance to the political shenanigans of the left, by using the proper terminology. But the same actions by the right are denigrated as political theatre that does not have the same level of power nor importance.

More gaslighting word games. I'm used to it, call it out every time I see it.

I just think it's funny that, in order to avoid saying he was wrong, he's instead willing to make himself look like an uninformed political newb.

Makes sense though. When Hillary got caught with an illegal server mishandling classified information, their defense was that after 8 years as first lady, 5 years on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and then becoming Secretary of State, she was incompetent and just didn't know how to properly handle classified information.

Then they turned around and tried to say she was the most qualified presidential candidate ever.

It's fine though. I mean it's not like I'm trying to change his mind. His mind is closed. I correct them for the sake of anyone else who might be reading the thread.

Since Biden using the government to go after opponents has been brought up I think this story is somewhat relevant.

www.newsweek.com...

Trump has dropped his lawsuit against Judge Engoron. This comes a day after he dropped his lawsuit against Michael Cohen.

Is Trump getting a little cash strapped and finally realized that spending millions on frivolous lawsuits might not be the wisest financial decision?

originally posted by: Threadbare
Trump has dropped his lawsuit against Judge Engoron. This comes a day after he dropped his lawsuit against Michael Cohen.

Is Trump getting a little cash strapped and finally realized that spending millions on frivolous lawsuits might not be the wisest financial decision?

Yeah there nothing like having frivolous lawsuits against Trump with the deep pockets of the taxpayers behind them all.

a reply to: RazorV66

Seems like the lawsuit against Trump is the opposite of frivolous considering he was found liable for fraud.

a reply to: Threadbare

Because judges are never biased, and are always correct.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: RazorV66

Seems like the lawsuit against Trump is the opposite of frivolous considering he was found liable for fraud.

By a single commie judge.

There it is. Trump's lawyers have finally filed an appeal for the summary judgment issued a week ago. They are seeking a stay of the trial and the judge's decision until the appellate court issues their ruling.

originally posted by: Threadbare
There it is. Trump's lawyers have finally filed an appeal for the summary judgment issued a week ago. They are seeking a stay of the trial and the judge's decision until the appellate court issues their ruling.

Can you please explain what that means?

All the lawsuits get kind of confusing.

a reply to: Annee

Pretty much they want a pause on the trial and the order to dissolve Trump Organization's holdings until the appeals court decides whether or not to uphold Engoron's ruling that Trump Organization is liable for fraud.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: Annee

Pretty much they want a pause on the trial and the order to dissolve Trump Organization's holdings until the appeals court decides whether or not to uphold Engoron's ruling that Trump Organization is liable for fraud.

Thank you

a reply to: Threadbare

The appeals court has issued a stay on Engoron's order but has ordered for the trial to proceed. This is pretty much what James asked for in her response to Trump's motion.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Seems you had bad info.

Your thread is based on a lie.

Engoron added that a checked box as part of a request from Trump's legal team for a jury trial wouldn't have mattered anyway because the relief was equitable.

"It would not have helped to make a motion, nobody forgot to check off a box," Engoron said.

"Thank you, your honor. Press, did you hear that, I didn't forget to check the box," Habba said in court, according to CBS News' Graham Kates.

www.msn.com...

a reply to: network dudeThank you Dude.

I see, yes, that was incorrect information. Yet, from what I read now, the DA had requested a bench trial yet the defense did not ask for a jury trial as it would not have suited their defense plans at that time. ?.

These ''sweeping scopes '' of inquiry is vague to me, but I gather that it is to show an on going case of fraud and not specific case of fraud. How that works is beyond me and in this case I must assume that the prosecution knows what it is attempting to do with in those laws.

However, I have come to understand Trump's case better. It is a civil trial and there are no victims, no banks that are asking for retribution as the banks suffered no loss in their transactions with Trump as they did their own evaluation of Trumps collateral and not the figures he provided them with.

My assumption earlier was that as the banks had not asked for this trial as they were not victimized by Trump, that the matter must be that he over estimated his worth in dealings that would benefit his value yet turned around and in tax evaluation presented a much lower value to lighten his tax burden. And that is a discrepancy that needs to come to the fore. Is he being tried for tax evasion? That wouldn't be done as a civil suit I don't think.

So what is the power of the laws that he is being tried? I dont' know. I will have to wait and see how this plays out. But now from my limited grasp on this whole thing, I"m swinging to the point that the whole trial is a fraud, that is unless there are aspects that still have not come forth.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Executive Law 63 Section 12 is the law he's being tried under.

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance
of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person.

Source

Between Weisselberg's testimony and McConney's testimony we know that Trump Organization was knowingly inflating the value of the Bedminster property by including non-existent assets and the value of Trump's triplex by tripling its actual size.

The fact that these fraudulent values were sent to banks for years in a hope of tricking them into giving better rates, would certainly fit the bill of the law.

a reply to: Threadbare

OK. So you and I both know what a fraud Trump is. My question here is, by that law, the DA is prosecuting for'' the people of New York''. We already know that it is not the specific of defrauding a bank. So my question is, just how have the people of New York been defrauded. What are the sweeping acts of fraud that Trump organization has subjected to people of New York to. I just don't see it unless it is though tax evasion. Yet, I still have not heard about offering a different value for his taxes as opposed to this claims made to the banks for loans.

Again, we both know what a fraud he is. It's clear that the less he values his property values the less he will pay in taxes and the more he values his property the more he will pay in taxes. So, naturally, wouldn't he do that? Offer lower property value for his property taxes? But has he? I have not heard in my following of he case that he has.

Will that still be to come? I"m at a loss as to why this has not been presented yet except that it wll not be.