More Bad News about mRNA "Vaccines"

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: chr0naut
From the OP..

In particular, McKernan was alarmed to find the presence of an SV40 promoter in the Pfizer vaccine vials. This is a sequence that is, ‘…used to drive DNA into the nucleus, especially in gene therapies,’ McKernan explains. This is something that regulatory agencies around the world have specifically said is not possible with the mRNA vaccines.

 ‘I’m kind of alarmed about this DNA being in the vaccine – it’s different from RNA, because it can be permanent,’ he told those present. ‘There is a very real hazard,’ he said, that the contaminant DNA fragments will integrate with a person’s genome and become a ‘permanent fixture of the cell’ leading to autoimmune problems and cancers in some people who have had the vaccinations. He also noted that these genome changes can ‘last for generations’.

Alter, modify or contanimate and integrate with our genome it is what we were told would not happen.
From your reply

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it.

What they did in the lab is called gain of function and it does not happen naturally, they specifically said we can no longer do gain of function but the Fauci team went to Wuhan to do it anyway.
My point is we were told this wouldn't happen.

When gain of function occurs in nature, they call it evolution.

The labs developing the mRNA immunizations were not using gain of function.

The labs from which it has been alleged the virus came from, were also alleged to have used gain of function to create the virus.

And you seem to have missed the point that no-one can point to an instance of this happening in the real world. The doom-porn is all theoretical and based on exaggeration and misunderstandings.

Just gonna take a sec to point out that Toxoplasma Gondii, while not altering DNA in any way, does basically create mind controlled hosts that behave in a way that ensures the spread of it while also ensuring the death of the hosts in a perpetual cycle of spread, die, spread, which is kind of metal AF.

a reply to: chr0naut

Jurassic Park got the dino DNA from fossils in amber, yes, but there were gaps that had been lost, that they filled in with frog DNA. They explain this in the movie.

IDK how you think you're corrected me on that. And yes, I DO realise the movie wasn't real, but there was a societal question posed, as cloning was entering the zeitgeist, and "Just because we can, doesn't always mean we should" was the whole point of that movie.

I'm doing my best to thoroughly read and comprehend YOUR replies, so if you're gonna refute something, try and make sure you're paying attention too.

a reply to: chr0naut




A group of scientists in Wuhan screwing with stuff they didn't need to be altering, is exactly what made this happen, so it's 100% a valid comparison.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
Jurassic Park got the dino DNA from fossils in amber, yes, but there were gaps that had been lost, that they filled in with frog DNA. They explain this in the movie.

IDK how you think you're corrected me on that. And yes, I DO realise the movie wasn't real, but there was a societal question posed, as cloning was entering the zeitgeist, and "Just because we can, doesn't always mean we should" was the whole point of that movie.

I'm doing my best to thoroughly read and comprehend YOUR replies, so if you're gonna refute something, try and make sure you're paying attention too.

a reply to: chr0naut

A group of scientists in Wuhan screwing with stuff they didn't need to be altering, is exactly what made this happen, so it's 100% a valid comparison.

... Allegedly.



But the point of GOF was to potentially achieve defenses against disease before those diseases evolved (GOF) naturally

Red gonna defend red…..

No surprise there

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Red gonna defend red…..

No surprise there

We are talking about disease, science, and technology, not political ideology.

You see, in other countries, when they talk about health care, they mean care given for health and about medicine, not about insurance and who pays for it.

In every instance of someone (usually an American media pundit) attempting to prove that gain of function was happening in the Wuhan lab, they all start with the grants, and the money, and who got paid, but they never ever seem to address anything else. Like as if GOF doesn't take lots of physical resources and lots of time.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Red gonna defend red…..

No surprise there

We are talking about disease, science, and technology, not political ideology.

You see, in other countries, when they talk about health care, they mean care given for health and about medicine, not about insurance and who pays for it.

In every instance of someone (usually an American media pundit) attempting to prove that gain of function was happening in the Wuhan lab, they all start with the grants, and the money, and who got paid, but they never ever seem to address anything else. Like as if GOF doesn't take lots of physical resources and lots of time.

Allegedly

a reply to: chr0naut

But the point of GOF was to potentially achieve defenses against disease before those diseases evolved (GOF) naturally

Allegedly.

I would argue that covid-19 would have never occurred naturally in a million years.

And let's be honest, the point of GOF was to potentially achieve a HIGHLY PROFITABLE defenses against a disease that didn't yet exist.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Red gonna defend red…..

No surprise there

We are talking about disease, science, and technology, not political ideology.

You see, in other countries, when they talk about health care, they mean care given for health and about medicine, not about insurance and who pays for it.

In every instance of someone (usually an American media pundit) attempting to prove that gain of function was happening in the Wuhan lab, they all start with the grants, and the money, and who got paid, but they never ever seem to address anything else. Like as if GOF doesn't take lots of physical resources and lots of time.

I rarely hear anyone discuss the timing of the big trade deal Trump made(phase one) with China while keeping the tariffs largely in place. This was phase one, which was completed on Jan 15th 2020 and it was a good deal for the USA. Days later covid-19 hit the US and by March 11th the whole economy was shut down and the WHO declared a global pandemic. At the time Trump had the US economy humming, all wages up, inflation around 1%, energy independent, border had Mexican army on both the Guatemalen south side and the US north side reducing illegal immigration to lowest level in decades, no wars, big investments in our military and so on and so forth.
We never made the source of the covid a priority and they had a phony impeachment led by Ukranian Viterman who was US military and the rest. To me that is some serious coincidences wouldn't you say.
So when I hear some one say..We are talking about disease, science, and technology, not political ideology..I just think you cannot honestly think that the global power structure does not control these crisis.

timing is everything
another perspective

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

But the point of GOF was to potentially achieve defenses against disease before those diseases evolved (GOF) naturally

Allegedly.

I would argue that covid-19 would have never occurred naturally in a million years.

And let's be honest, the point of GOF was to potentially achieve a HIGHLY PROFITABLE defenses against a disease that didn't yet exist.

And all the 31 strains of SARS-CoV2 that occurred in a relatively short period of time, did someone genetically engineer each and every one of them, too?

That's the problem with those that deny the possibility of a natural source. The same stuff happens all-the-time and has done so throughout the history of life on Earth - even before there were labs or humans.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Red gonna defend red…..

No surprise there

We are talking about disease, science, and technology, not political ideology.

You see, in other countries, when they talk about health care, they mean care given for health and about medicine, not about insurance and who pays for it.

In every instance of someone (usually an American media pundit) attempting to prove that gain of function was happening in the Wuhan lab, they all start with the grants, and the money, and who got paid, but they never ever seem to address anything else. Like as if GOF doesn't take lots of physical resources and lots of time.

I rarely hear anyone discuss the timing of the big trade deal Trump made(phase one) with China while keeping the tariffs largely in place. This was phase one, which was completed on Jan 15th 2020 and it was a good deal for the USA. Days later covid-19 hit the US and by March 11th the whole economy was shut down and the WHO declared a global pandemic. At the time Trump had the US economy humming, all wages up, inflation around 1%, energy independent, border had Mexican army on both the Guatemalen south side and the US north side reducing illegal immigration to lowest level in decades, no wars, big investments in our military and so on and so forth.
We never made the source of the covid a priority and they had a phony impeachment led by Ukranian Viterman who was US military and the rest. To me that is some serious coincidences wouldn't you say.
So when I hear some one say..We are talking about disease, science, and technology, not political ideology..I just think you cannot honestly think that the global power structure does not control these crisis.

timing is everything

Sorry, but 2020 was entirely after COVID-19 ]had started.

What happened in the US is entirely the result of the highest levels of US government not closing out-bound travel and also denying that the disease was something worth of a response, for more than three months.

" Covid-19 Came From a Lab in China " WHAT CONSPIRACY !

" Covid-19 was funded gain of Function " WHAT CONSPIRACY !

Turns out not a conspiracy .


The Vaccine will keep you from getting Covid , Keep you from spreading Covid , Keep you from getting Sick .

Turns out all of that is false

Now the line in the sand is the Vaccine does not alter your DNA .

Yet growing reports suggest the Vaccine alters your DNA.

What do we believe ?

Sorry, but 2020 was entirely after COVID-19 ]had started

a reply to: chr0naut

Case Report

On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China.

your timing is off

a reply to: nugget1

what? dont anybody remember the record amount of microbiologists that have mysteriously died after bush jr became presdent? maybe not mysterious, but all worked on same stuff
seemed like one every month

a reply to: chr0naut

And all the 31 strains of SARS-CoV2 that occurred in a relatively short period of time, did someone genetically engineer each and every one of them, too?

Maybe. It's possible, but knowing how viruses mutate a lot, I always figured that the strains where coming about as nature sought to breed genetically engineered covid-19, back into a natural corona virus, aka a common cold.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The news reported, Fauci there are many many articles and "fact checkers" out there that claimed our DNA was safe from alteration and this was

'Altered DNA' claims

The fear that a vaccine will somehow change your DNA is one we've seen aired regularly on social media.

"Injecting RNA into a person doesn't do anything to the DNA of a human cell," says Prof Jeffrey Almond of Oxford University.

This isn't the first time we've looked into claims that a coronavirus vaccine will supposedly alter DNA.

I am simply pointing out that if this is now being reported or acknowledged then every newsroom in our country, and including Fauci and all the other doctors and scientists that before said your DNA would not be altered then they have some explaining to do.
many examples of this

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

It is something that happens all the time in nature

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a reply to: chr0naut

A couple of things.
First, it would be one thing to have it be a natural process but in this instance it is far from a natural process and the experts, the doctors and scientists, they all said the covid-19 "vaccine" would not alter our DNA and second thing is the covid-19 "vaccine" has done so much harm.

So it is just another confirmation that when they, Fauci, the msm and the rest marginalized people calling them conspiracy theorists for pointing out the untested covid-19 "vaccine" was really a DNA altering gene therapy concoction they were lying and now well we are suppose to be ok with it.

When we eat, we consume vast amounts of DNA, a full genome in every cell, some of which will pass into our bloodstream and cells because it is lipid encapsulated (the same delivery method for the mRNA immunizations). No-one seems to be worried about that source of foreign DNA. And it doesn't seem to be mutating us with every meal.

Well it might have something to do with the covid-19 "vaccine" being made in a lab and just about everything it does from traveling to the brain and other organs, blood clots, myocarditus etc..the experts, doctors and scientists said it wouldn't do. They laughed and mocked people for saying it is gene therapy and will alter your DNA.

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

There have been billions of doses of mRNA immunizations and if you check the databases of adverse reactions (which are still being updated) The number of severe adverse reactions is a very tiny portion of that number. They do have adverse effects, but many are exaggerating the risk.

Has there been any detection of actual modified DNA in anyone? I mean, there have been billions who have taken these shots and its been a couple of years. You'd think that might indicate something.

I agree with chr0naut on a lot of this, esp. this one.

Now it could/will be argued what this modified DNA actually is, however, my main concern with this one is you will never find something you aren't looking for. No one will detect some DNA when they can't even decide what DNA they are looking for to begin with. No one is or probably ever will look for this modified DNA that may have been caused by an mRNA "vaccine". But it is a good point, the proof is in the pudding, it's just that no one knows what pudding the proof is in.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

Sorry, but 2020 was entirely after COVID-19 ]had started

a reply to: chr0naut

Case Report

On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China.

your timing is off

The US isn't the world.

And even if COVID-19 was designed to interfere with US politics, the process of creating the virus by gain of function would have taken years. Long before Trump ran as a Republican candidate for the Presidency.

So, I'd say that anyone who could have achieved such a fantastical end, must have seen the future, and they would be far more likely to have achieved some sort of diabolical outcome than just bumping someone else who had no experience of being a professional politician, from holding the top political office.

If you guys do elect him again ('cause it's clown world over there), it shows how faulty that magical prescience would be.

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

And all the 31 strains of SARS-CoV2 that occurred in a relatively short period of time, did someone genetically engineer each and every one of them, too?

Maybe. It's possible, but knowing how viruses mutate a lot, I always figured that the strains where coming about as nature sought to breed genetically engineered covid-19, back into a natural corona virus, aka a common cold.

The common cold is caused by about 200 viruses, some of which are not coronaviruses, the main one being rhinovirus family. The common cold is a suite of symptoms rather than a specific pathogen.

Facts About the Common Cold - American Lung Association.

And the mutability of viruses are precisely why it is likely for SARS-CoV2 to have had a natural origin.

Interesting that this just was posted. I was just reading how mRNA vaccines are not licensed or permitted for use in cattle or any farm animal for human consumption yet they were permitted as emergency for humans. Kind of reversed.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
I thought the entire FUNCTION OF an RNA based injectable (because they are not vaccinations and nobody claims they are, that’s fact not conspiracy theory, IS TO REWRITE DNA!

That isn't the way RNA works.

Primarily, RNA takes coding from DNA in the nucleous of the cell and then carries it to the ribosomes outside of the nucleous of the cell, where it can produce amino acids. Those amino acids chained together are the proteins we are made up of. But the messaging from RNA doesn't go backwards into the nucleous and change the DNA.

They rewrote the caps, enabling self-replication, making the "vaccine" self-sustainable. But it doesn't seem that the self-sustainable part was about virus protection, because it didn't offer that at all in hindsight. My 4th covid infection 2 weeks ago was milder than my 1st. My 1st happened 3 months after getting the Pfizer. But the others got quelled by natural immunization.

That should make you question... why was it made self-sustainable? Damage control or to inflict damage over long term?