More Bad News about mRNA "Vaccines"

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

When we eat, we consume vast amounts of DNA, a full genome in every cell, some of which will pass into our bloodstream and cells because it is lipid encapsulated (the same delivery method for the mRNA immunizations). No-one seems to be worried about that source of foreign DNA. And it doesn't seem to be mutating us with every meal.

I agree, but the source from the OP mentioned SV40 being the vehicle in which DNA could enter a cell's nucleus.

Additionally, the presence of reverse transcriptases would allow for alteration of DNA, but only in the cell that had the RNA and reverse transcriptase. Other cells in the body would be unaffected. And it is highly likely that if the DNA was 'valid' on a molecular level, the Immune system may well kill the mutant cell as 'foreign'.

a reply to: IndieA

I’m kinda really tired of both sides on this issue. Remember when they said everyone was going to die in a month, then in 6 months and they didn’t. Since then I’ve heard 2 years and then 5 years.

I’m not sure what is going on here, if you didn’t take it, great, what are you worried about? If you did take it, are you still alive?

I had relative of a relative urge his family members to not take the vaccine. He was so adamant. He is in the medical field. Not only did his own dad die, but so did another close family member from Covid. He still urged family to not take the vaccine.
I wonder if there is some guilt surrounding it and not wanting to admit maybe, even maybe, if in a 1 in million chance could his relatives have been saved if they took it?

So many want to be right on this issue it’s a little bizarre. If you believe in the vaccine, take it, if you don’t, don’t take it.
If you say my work forced me, get another job. Nobody can really make you do anything you want to do if you really don’t want to do it. (Teach your kids that)

PS I worked for a company that went against my moral compass, it paid very well, it was very hard leaving, but I did. It was a choice.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

It is something that happens all the time in nature

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a reply to: chr0naut

A couple of things.
First, it would be one thing to have it be a natural process but in this instance it is far from a natural process and the experts, the doctors and scientists, they all said the covid-19 "vaccine" would not alter our DNA and second thing is the covid-19 "vaccine" has done so much harm.

So it is just another confirmation that when they, Fauci, the msm and the rest marginalized people calling them conspiracy theorists for pointing out the untested covid-19 "vaccine" was really a DNA altering gene therapy concoction they were lying and now well we are suppose to be ok with it.

When we eat, we consume vast amounts of DNA, a full genome in every cell, some of which will pass into our bloodstream and cells because it is lipid encapsulated (the same delivery method for the mRNA immunizations). No-one seems to be worried about that source of foreign DNA. And it doesn't seem to be mutating us with every meal.

Well it might have something to do with the covid-19 "vaccine" being made in a lab and just about everything it does from traveling to the brain and other organs, blood clots, myocarditus etc..the experts, doctors and scientists said it wouldn't do. They laughed and mocked people for saying it is gene therapy and will alter your DNA.

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

There have been billions of doses of mRNA immunizations and if you check the databases of adverse reactions (which are still being updated) The number of severe adverse reactions is a very tiny portion of that number. They do have adverse effects, but many are exaggerating the risk.

The news reported, Fauci there are many many articles and "fact checkers" out there that claimed our DNA was safe from alteration and this was

'Altered DNA' claims

The fear that a vaccine will somehow change your DNA is one we've seen aired regularly on social media.

"Injecting RNA into a person doesn't do anything to the DNA of a human cell," says Prof Jeffrey Almond of Oxford University.

This isn't the first time we've looked into claims that a coronavirus vaccine will supposedly alter DNA.

I am simply pointing out that if this is now being reported or acknowledged then every newsroom in our country, and including Fauci and all the other doctors and scientists that before said your DNA would not be altered then they have some explaining to do.
many examples of this

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

It is something that happens all the time in nature

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a reply to: chr0naut

A couple of things.
First, it would be one thing to have it be a natural process but in this instance it is far from a natural process and the experts, the doctors and scientists, they all said the covid-19 "vaccine" would not alter our DNA and second thing is the covid-19 "vaccine" has done so much harm.

So it is just another confirmation that when they, Fauci, the msm and the rest marginalized people calling them conspiracy theorists for pointing out the untested covid-19 "vaccine" was really a DNA altering gene therapy concoction they were lying and now well we are suppose to be ok with it.

When we eat, we consume vast amounts of DNA, a full genome in every cell, some of which will pass into our bloodstream and cells because it is lipid encapsulated (the same delivery method for the mRNA immunizations). No-one seems to be worried about that source of foreign DNA. And it doesn't seem to be mutating us with every meal.

Well it might have something to do with the covid-19 "vaccine" being made in a lab and just about everything it does from traveling to the brain and other organs, blood clots, myocarditus etc..the experts, doctors and scientists said it wouldn't do. They laughed and mocked people for saying it is gene therapy and will alter your DNA.

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

There have been billions of doses of mRNA immunizations and if you check the databases of adverse reactions (which are still being updated) The number of severe adverse reactions is a very tiny portion of that number. They do have adverse effects, but many are exaggerating the risk.

Biden tells citizens to stop questioning Covid shots - LINK - LINK2

“What leaders say matter, in terms of people’s confidence in things they’re not sure about,”

People “in public life and both political parties” are saying “inflammatory things” about the shots

OSHA Head, Doug Parker, Now Says ‘We Didn’t Demand That Anyone Be Fired’ Despite Issuing a Vaccine Mandate for 84 Million Americans - LINK

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The news reported, Fauci there are many many articles and "fact checkers" out there that claimed our DNA was safe from alteration and this was

'Altered DNA' claims

The fear that a vaccine will somehow change your DNA is one we've seen aired regularly on social media.

"Injecting RNA into a person doesn't do anything to the DNA of a human cell," says Prof Jeffrey Almond of Oxford University.

This isn't the first time we've looked into claims that a coronavirus vaccine will supposedly alter DNA.

I am simply pointing out that if this is now being reported or acknowledged then every newsroom in our country, and including Fauci and all the other doctors and scientists that before said your DNA would not be altered then they have some explaining to do.
many examples of this

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

It is something that happens all the time in nature

.
a reply to: chr0naut

A couple of things.
First, it would be one thing to have it be a natural process but in this instance it is far from a natural process and the experts, the doctors and scientists, they all said the covid-19 "vaccine" would not alter our DNA and second thing is the covid-19 "vaccine" has done so much harm.

So it is just another confirmation that when they, Fauci, the msm and the rest marginalized people calling them conspiracy theorists for pointing out the untested covid-19 "vaccine" was really a DNA altering gene therapy concoction they were lying and now well we are suppose to be ok with it.

When we eat, we consume vast amounts of DNA, a full genome in every cell, some of which will pass into our bloodstream and cells because it is lipid encapsulated (the same delivery method for the mRNA immunizations). No-one seems to be worried about that source of foreign DNA. And it doesn't seem to be mutating us with every meal.

Well it might have something to do with the covid-19 "vaccine" being made in a lab and just about everything it does from traveling to the brain and other organs, blood clots, myocarditus etc..the experts, doctors and scientists said it wouldn't do. They laughed and mocked people for saying it is gene therapy and will alter your DNA.

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

There have been billions of doses of mRNA immunizations and if you check the databases of adverse reactions (which are still being updated) The number of severe adverse reactions is a very tiny portion of that number. They do have adverse effects, but many are exaggerating the risk.

Has there been any detection of actual modified DNA in anyone? I mean, there have been billions who have taken these shots and its been a couple of years. You'd think that might indicate something.

a reply to: chr0naut

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

Let me know when nature produces a goat that produces spider webs in it's milk.

a reply to: chr0naut

Has there been any detection of actual modified DNA in anyone? I mean, there have been billions who have taken these shots and its been a couple of years. You'd think that might indicate something.

I don't know, but adverse event reports are up and the percentage of people having certain symptoms and conditions are up too. Sudden deaths seem to be more common now as well.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that both life expectancy, and new birth rates are dropping, both of which could be caused from experimenting with human genetic manipulation on a global scale.

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

Let me know when nature produces a goat that produces spider webs in it's milk.

That's an outcome, not a process.

In nature, such changes would be classified as horizontal genetic transfer.

Horizontal Gene Transfer Contributes to Plant Evolution - The Case of Agrobacterium T-DNAs

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it. Laboratory processes are usually a copy of something that occurs in nature.

Let me know when nature produces a goat that produces spider webs in it's milk.

That's an outcome, not a process.

In nature, such changes would be classified as horizontal genetic transfer.

Laboratory forced mutations and abominations are not natural, selective breeding is. This is my opinion and seems to be the way nature works.

Nature doesn't like mutations and tends to breed them out over time.

Even some cross-breeds like mules, can't reproduce.

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: chr0naut

Has there been any detection of actual modified DNA in anyone? I mean, there have been billions who have taken these shots and its been a couple of years. You'd think that might indicate something.

I don't know, but adverse event reports are up and the percentage of people having certain symptoms and conditions are up too. Sudden deaths seem to be more common now as well.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that both life expectancy, and new birth rates are dropping, both of which could be caused from experimenting with human genetic manipulation on a global scale.

On a global scale, all cause mortality did not go up universally for all countries, but as an aggregate, it did. It is now going down again as the numbers of deaths related to COVID-19 (the disease), also drop.

No-one had antibodies to COVID-19 in the early days of the pandemic. The situation now is that most of the population do have antibodies, from the immunizations, or from having contracted the disease, or from both. The pandemic is probably now endemic, like the flu and we have the wherewithal to fight its worst effects.

Could a rise in heart ailments in people who were not previously predisposed to heart disease, qualify?
I mean, IDK. What was it about the vaccine that did that to people?
The virus itself wasn't causing heart disease to my knowledge.

Anyway, I remember talking to a geneticist at a bar right after the lockdowns, and she assured me that Messenger RNA, COULD, in theory, incite a change to the DNA. As a layman, I don't see why it couldn't. We might not know how to use mRNA to incite a SPECIFIC DNA alteration yet, but mark my words, it can be done.

And LOTS of super common things can cause DNA DAMAGE over time. Even aging itself, so all the vaccine has to do is cause a slight DNA degradation of any type, or mess with telomerase, and boom, you have measurable health changes.
But RNA and DNA are intertwined, so of course they could affect each other.
Anyone saying otherwise is just running damage control for Big Pharma.

a reply to: IndieA

You know what else would be considered "horizontal gene transfer"?
Combining dinosaur DNA with frog DNA and starting a theme park.

Also, they had the big bad evil Kaiju dinosaur in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, which I think had alligator DNA, and it was super evil.
My point is, just because 2 things both exist in nature, doesn't mean nature would've actually combined them, and even if it might have in some scenario, maybe it's still a bad idea, because the scenario where nature would've created that combo, might not've been human friendly.


a reply to: chr0naut

a reply to: TarantulaBite

People “in public life and both political parties” are saying “inflammatory things” about the shots

Interesting choice of words.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
Could a rise in heart ailments in people who were not previously predisposed to heart disease, qualify?
I mean, IDK. What was it about the vaccine that did that to people?
The virus itself wasn't causing heart disease to my knowledge.

The SARS-CoV2 virus definitely caused heart disease. It isn't the only virus that causes heart disease, especially inflammation based heart disease.

Anyway, I remember talking to a geneticist at a bar right after the lockdowns, and she assured me that Messenger RNA, COULD, in theory, incite a change to the DNA. As a layman, I don't see why it couldn't. We might not know how to use mRNA to incite a SPECIFIC DNA alteration yet, but mark my words, it can be done.

And LOTS of super common things can cause DNA DAMAGE over time. Even aging itself, so all the vaccine has to do is cause a slight DNA degradation of any type, or mess with telomerase, and boom, you have measurable health changes.
But RNA and DNA are intertwined, so of course they could affect each other.
Anyone saying otherwise is just running damage control for Big Pharma.

a reply to: IndieA

But the genomic components only affect the cells in which they interact. They don't change the whole genome for all the cells in the body. The vaccines are effective because they trigger a whole body immune response that lasts after the spike proteins and the cells that produced them, are gone.

To affect the entire organism, a genomic change would somehow have to get out into other cells, or be in such high initial numbers that the biological balances are altered.

a reply to: chr0naut

At the end of the day if the body recognizes a foreign cell it will encapsulate it and destroy it. But if the cells that do this are way down in number, You have no line of natural defense.

a reply to: chr0naut
From the OP..

In particular, McKernan was alarmed to find the presence of an SV40 promoter in the Pfizer vaccine vials. This is a sequence that is, ‘…used to drive DNA into the nucleus, especially in gene therapies,’ McKernan explains. This is something that regulatory agencies around the world have specifically said is not possible with the mRNA vaccines.

 ‘I’m kind of alarmed about this DNA being in the vaccine – it’s different from RNA, because it can be permanent,’ he told those present. ‘There is a very real hazard,’ he said, that the contaminant DNA fragments will integrate with a person’s genome and become a ‘permanent fixture of the cell’ leading to autoimmune problems and cancers in some people who have had the vaccinations. He also noted that these genome changes can ‘last for generations’.

Alter, modify or contanimate and integrate with our genome it is what we were told would not happen.
From your reply

They can only do stuff in a lab if nature allows it.

What they did in the lab is called gain of function and it does not happen naturally, they specifically said we can no longer do gain of function but the Fauci team went to Wuhan to do it anyway.
My point is we were told this wouldn't happen.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
You know what else would be considered "horizontal gene transfer"?
Combining dinosaur DNA with frog DNA and starting a theme park.

Also, they had the big bad evil Kaiju dinosaur in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, which I think had alligator DNA, and it was super evil.
My point is, just because 2 things both exist in nature, doesn't mean nature would've actually combined them, and even if it might have in some scenario, maybe it's still a bad idea, because the scenario where nature would've created that combo, might not've been be human friendly.


a reply to: chr0naut

It was supposed to be dinosaur DNA from blood in a mosquito that had been preserved in amber. The problem with that is that DNA doesn't last for millions of years, even in amber.

And I don't think that animals just trying to survive could be attributed with 'evil'.

The Jusrassic Park series were fiction and the 'reviving dinosaurs' was the McGuffin that allowed the drama.

THIS A MILLION TIMES. It feels relevant somehow.
Combine mRNA vaccines with the mechanism that allows cancer to metasticize and HIV to invade cells, and maybe there's a major scientific breakthough in there somewhere.

"Hi guys, you're too tired to think, right? Yeah, well I live here! You don't remember I live here? Oh sweety, you're tired. Get some rest."

a reply to: anonentity

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

At the end of the day if the body recognizes a foreign cell it will encapsulate it and destroy it. But if the cells that do this are way down in number, You have no line of natural defense.

OMG - disease!