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Has Trump warped Evangelicals or have Evangelicals created Trump ?

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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 03:24 AM
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Im not a religious person by any metric , but I do follow Christ from Egypt through to western hermeticism in esoteric fashion.
The bible is a gigantic mess in it’s origin as well creation . As the New Testament stands , how could any person calling themselves a Christian support such a horrible person in Trump , let alone vote for any politician.
If self labeled bible believers understand one word of the bible , you would know Christ called for us to stay out of politics & seek peace no matter what land or law you live under.
The problem is with the evangelical pastors who are pushing theocracy on Sundays instead of Christ’s words . Jesus didn’t want to push his ways upon anyone.
Trump’s pastors are absolutely out of their minds.
The Roman Catholic church should restrict communion from the likes of Biden & Pelosi.
Obama’s pastor Mr Wright was absolutely nuts as well.
The Christian right in America is out of control imo and the likes of Boebert & Greene openly calling for theocratic rule is one of the most disgusting things Ive heard any leader say in years .
Biden is & has been garbage forever , but MAGA QAnon Christian nationalists are the largest threat to our democracy hands down .
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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 04:00 AM
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a reply to: WolfPants

The Left created Trump. They pushed their ideas so far that anyone who stood against them and claimed to be for America First policies was going to be a symbol to those who were sick of being pushed into a corner.

Trump just happened to be that person.

I'm not worried about some QAnon fruitcake, I'm worried about all those fighting age men pouring over the border.



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:00 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: WolfPants

The Left created Trump. They pushed their ideas so far that anyone who stood against them and claimed to be for America First policies was going to be a symbol to those who were sick of being pushed into a corner.

Trump just happened to be that person.

I'm not worried about some QAnon fruitcake, I'm worried about all those fighting age men pouring over the border.


Me too.
The honeymoon of the new arrivals is starting to crack and that crack is going to be like a big earthquake or worse yet of a kind volcano eruption and I'm telling you I'm not telling you nothing you guys all know the truth so do I it's going to be horrible and yes food shortages is real I mean you can't have 12 new million people enter the country and not face food shortages forget about high prices people with money will always pay the price that's a fact here it costs $9 for two peaches for two lousy peaches 9 bucks and a and a bunch of grapes at their high quality but they can run you $30.



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:11 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: WolfPants

The Left created Trump. They pushed their ideas so far that anyone who stood against them and claimed to be for America First policies was going to be a symbol to those who were sick of being pushed into a corner.

Trump just happened to be that person.

I'm not worried about some QAnon fruitcake, I'm worried about all those fighting age men pouring over the border.
Yes if you believe Trump stood against the liberal progression from the 1950s-1980s into an America that needs to grow i to the phrase “ All Men Created Equal “ Then yes I agree.
I will state that the progressive gender stuff needs to disappear imo.
I stand against MAGA , because it represents the last grasps of white hegemony of a dying Silent Generation & Boomers with one foot on a banana peel headed for the grave .
Believing that America’s glory years are behind us & a need to return to them is supporting an American that was superb for white men only.
Blacks, Natives, Gays, Hispanics , Artists , Occultists , Jazz musicians, Asians , Japanes, Hippies, philosophers & anyone note meeting W.A.S.P standards.
Blacks had no voting rights until 1965 & that was only 58 yrs . Do you know how many late 70s aged black people are alive today in America & had zero voting rights at age 18 ?
The lefts has radicals for sure , but Trump & his right wing nationalist cult is a danger to our Constitution & Country.
Sure the republicans are for gun rights , until they have a radical stranglehold , which would then start restricting gun ownership or heavy gun laws on minorities & fringe liberal people.
Communism sucks Fascism sucks , but a Social Democratic Republic is the middle ground.
The far left is communist & the far right is fascist
But only one radical side in America is armed to the teeth & has tried to overthrow our government.
Antifa isn’t left or right , but rather youth anarchists who are exhibiting youthful destruction as rebellion & all societies of earth have youth anarchic groups . Please spare me some off axis explanation of how ANTIFA is a DNC group ok ?



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:16 AM
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The lefts has radicals for sure , but Trump & his right wing nationalist cult is a danger to our Constitution & Country.


That one sentence show me 2 things.

You claim to hate both sides but obviously lean hard to the Left, finding excuses for the behavior and 2nd, you are woefully ignorant about the motives of the Right.

"armed to the teeth"

Yes. Yes we are.



ETA - You call ANTIFA just youthful rebellion, but if it was a group from the Right that was burning and looting, it would be called Right Wing Domestic Terrorists !! A Threat To Our Democracy !! and there would be calls from the Left to round them and throw them in jail. The Left won't even admit ANTIFA exists and if they do, they, like you, find excuse to overlook their acts of terrorism.
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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:25 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: WolfPants




The lefts has radicals for sure , but Trump & his right wing nationalist cult is a danger to our Constitution & Country.


That one sentence show me 2 things.

You claim to hate both sides but obviously lean hard to the Left, finding excuses for the behavior and 2nd, you are woefully ignorant about the motives of the Right.

"armed to the teeth"

Yes. Yes we are.
There is no leaning to the left . All humanity naturally leans left as the moderate liberal is the perfect temperature .
You can keep dragging your war banners up & down the hills that belong to kings .
Im nothing like you when compared to any of your left or right morals .
You are stuck in a closed system of zeros & ones
You only know two ways & believe you actually chose one path or the other.
Im a quantum computer to your solid state gates or paths .



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:39 AM
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Im a quantum computer to your solid state gates or paths .


*sigh* sure you are.




You only know two ways & believe you actually chose one path or the other.


I chose my path decades ago, with the one idea of "Leave people alone". Don't try to tell them what to do, what to say, how to think etc....
The Left keeps trying to pass laws that FORCE everyone to abide by their rules.
My idea is treat everyone EQUALLY. I don't care if you're Black, White, Gay, Straight or whatever, you are not special, you do not deserve special treatment.

Equal, not special.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stop debating a useless subject and get out and do something that's actually interesting.

I'm going fishing.
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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 05:40 AM
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originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..


ironically it was Conservatives and Christians who did the heavy lifting in opposing the liberal drive to copy the Nazis in delivery policies to sterilise and euthanise the vulnerable and the dissenters..

its the same today with those who are doing the heavy lifting opposing the liberal drive to sterilise and euthanise similar groups today..



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..
Then what do you call Scandinavian governments then ? Are the failures too ?



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 06:03 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: WolfPants




Im a quantum computer to your solid state gates or paths .


*sigh* sure you are.




You only know two ways & believe you actually chose one path or the other.


I chose my path decades ago, with the one idea of "Leave people alone". Don't try to tell them what to do, what to say, how to think etc....
The Left keeps trying to pass laws that FORCE everyone to abide by their rules.
My idea is treat everyone EQUALLY. I don't care if you're Black, White, Gay, Straight or whatever, you are not special, you do not deserve special treatment.

Equal, not special.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stop debating a useless subject and get out and do something that's actually interesting.

I'm going fishing.
So attacking politicians is leaving them alone ?
You are part of a political ouroboros & enjoy it , because of your need to be right .


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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 06:46 AM
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I stand against MAGA , because it represents the last grasps of white hegemony of a dying Silent Generation & Boomers with one foot on a banana peel headed for the grave .

"Last gasps of a white hegemony"? You sound like a racist and a Marxist.

I'll warn you now OP. This isn't reddit.
edit on 9/29/2023 by Klassified because: Missed a word. Redaction.



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: WolfPants

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..
Then what do you call Scandinavian governments then ? Are the failures too ?


Let me get this straight. You are opposed to MAGA because you see it as a throwback to when the system was only working for white men, and then you point to other white countries on how things should be run. Lefties...it's like they don't even listen to what they themselves say, let alone their political opponents.



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: WolfPants

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..
Then what do you call Scandinavian governments then ? Are the failures too ?


thank you for supporting my statement.. especially good that you think the following is something of a success..

Eradication of "deviants": the dark side of the Swedish Model."



The world was shocked by the recent news of a skeleton in Swedens closet, the countrys forced sterilization policy of disabled people and others who were not found to be worthy to have children. The facts are clear, there is no reason to question the authencity of the sterilization records. Sources other than Dagens Nyheter, the nation’s largest daily newspaper that recently started the sterilization discussion, as well as researchers are confirming the facts. Also, Sweden is famous for its comprehensive statistics.

Thus, all sterilizations records and "patient" journals are archived and available to researchers and journalists. Persons who were sterilized against their will have come out of their silence and appeared in the media. The sterilizations were fully legal according to the laws of the time.

There were well-developed and state-regulated routines with medical experts at the local and national level, the Ministry of Health and Welfare, with a panel of highly placed representatives of political parties (mainly female Social Democrats including an ambassador to the United Nations) who signed the decisions that would deprive tens of thousands of persons of one of the most basic human rights, the right to have children.


its why as countries the Nordics are being exceptionally careful with puberty blockers as they won't want to repeat the past and sterilise yet more generations of youngsters .
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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 07:51 AM
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I too believe once the right has a firm authoritarian hold they’ll start restricting guns and talking them away. Who knows how long it will take but it will happen, no doubt.

Hilarious to me posters here are actually whining that the left made evangelicals love trump. Constant whining.

Evangelical have always been warped. They’ve never been about the teaching of Christ - Trump fits right in.



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 07:53 AM
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got news for ya lots of beer drinkers and hell raisers support trump.




posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: WolfPants

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..
Then what do you call Scandinavian governments then ? Are the failures too ?


Let me get this straight. You are opposed to MAGA because you see it as a throwback to when the system was only working for white men, and then you point to other white countries on how things should be run. Lefties...it's like they don't even listen to what they themselves say, let alone their political opponents.


nor actually read anything beyond myths.. so do we think this means that some see sterilisation in the Nordics of the different as a sucees? in the 30s when these kinds o=f policies started getting pushed it was conservatives and Christian who pushed back.. before this thinking was fully exported to the world..

the same groups are doing the heavy lifting stopping the same types today cleansing the worlds gene pools of the wrong types. its the extreme end of liberalism that appears to hold onto some govs and parties today. i hate to say it but the Canadians are going to regret these policies the same way the Nordics have..



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: WolfPants



I stand against MAGA , because it represents the last grasps of white hegemony of a dying Silent Generation & Boomers with one foot on a banana peel headed for the grave .

"Last gasps of a white hegemony"? You sound like a racist and a Marxist.

I'll warn you now OP. This isn't reddit.
I agree it’s not reddit as it is reality & the truth



posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: WolfPants

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: WolfPants

no such thing as either a moderate or centrist the extreme end of liberalism is a merger of capitalism/socialism and a return to slavery/serfdom.. we saw that when liberalism died in the 1920s with Nazism, fascism and Stalinism opportunistically taking liberalism to its natural conclusion..
Then what do you call Scandinavian governments then ? Are the failures too ?


Let me get this straight. You are opposed to MAGA because you see it as a throwback to when the system was only working for white men, and then you point to other white countries on how things should be run. Lefties...it's like they don't even listen to what they themselves say, let alone their political opponents.
Your argument makes zero sense . Did Scandinavian countries have black slaves ? Did Scandinavian counties not allow blacks to vote 58 years ago ? Did Scandinavians create reservations for indigenous peoples ?



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