Representative Republicanism IS Fascism

a reply to: UtIntusSicForis

I 100% agree with you. It's a very loosely thrown around word, I've heard multiple definitions over the years and people trying to pick it apart to mean this or that. Or label people you don't like as fascist.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

I don't have anything to add really,
except I learned this in 5th grade.
The Aesop's fable version though: A bunch of sticks are harder to break than one.

I guess 5th grade is a bit soon to discuss axes in the bundle.
When you think about it though, what's the use of a state if it has no authority to do anything.

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Pro death penalty spokesperson "I ain't no fascist! " (irony)

"Well I'm sorry. We used to have prisons, but then that Anti-fascism bill got passed."

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

In the United States, those "wealthy" land owners you're referring to were ANY free male in the country who owned land. A land owner could have been rich or poor. As long as he owned ANY parcel of land, he had a vested interest in the republic, and at the time, the overwhelming majority were land owners, and for good reason. Land was cheap or free.

That means those Lictors you're going on about represented the American citizens of that time, and were given authority by the American people to represent them and act in their stead within the law of the land, meaning the constitution. NOT just a repeat of the Roman republic.

In fact, there's a big difference.

a reply to: nickyw

while the british empire tried to frame themselves as the inheritors of israel the us attempts to claim to be the inheritor of rome..

We've got the Roman Goddess Libertas right in a major harbor. We didn't make this stuff up. We inherited this from somewhere. The French kept their Marianne, and gave us this other version. And French is a Romance language, so they should know what they're talking about.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Nice thread, even when you took all the wind out of their sails there is always an outboard motor that runs on fear.

I think it's appropriate to leave a link to one of the ATS must read threads...

all roads lead to rome

Have fun

He took the wind out of no one's sails. He's referencing a history and trying to connect dots he doesn't have enough knowledge of to write about. He's not alone. Most of us are sketchy on our own history and it's nuances, let alone ancient history.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n


Ummm...it...IS...rather telling that...Faggots...would be representative of these many...powers that be...

...Innit...?


D'oh...





YouSir

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n


Ummm...it...IS...rather telling that...Faggots...would be representative of these many...powers that be...

...Innit...?


D'oh...

YouSir

I guess you heard about Barry and Larry Sinclair.

a reply to: YouSir

Joke right?
Thread title:
Abraham Lincoln Propped Up By Faggots

a reply to: Klassified

And where did the idea come from?

The reason why the Roman republic was made up of "land owners" was because it was a slave society, you couldn't own land if you didn't have complete liberty, which back in those days meant, if you had liberty, you had complete domain over yourself and could own land and other slaves. Otherwise you were just a slave to someone else until you somehow got liberty.

The biggest difference is one thing, the amount of land to be owned.

a reply to: nickyw

When Rome started to see its influence run thin thorugh brute force, and no more land was to be grabbed for cheap, it switched to a new form of land grab, the divine right to a region, I believe the Benedictine monastery resembles that of a modern corporation.

originally posted by: UtIntusSicForis
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

And if you want it in a more digestable form, with reciepts/sources sited.
Here you go:
TIK History: Fascism Defined @YouTube
TIK History: Orwell on Fascism @YouTube
TIK History: Mussolini and Fascism @YouTube

Excellent post. The first video is a must-see, though few will watch it.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

And where did the idea come from?

The reason why the Roman republic was made up of "land owners" was because it was a slave society, you couldn't own land if you didn't have complete liberty, which back in those days meant, if you had liberty, you had complete domain over yourself and could own land and other slaves. Otherwise you were just a slave to someone else until you somehow got liberty.

The biggest difference is one thing, the amount of land to be owned.

I understand what you're getting at, and while the early days of this country weren't perfect or ideal, the parallels are still a loose correlation between how the Romans handled citizenship and land ownership as opposed to the U.S. in its early days.

Also, our Representative Republic is by no means fascist, since both fascism and Marxism are two sides of the same coin. They are both socialist who differ on points such as nationalism and racism.

I'm open to a viable alternative to a Representative Republic that doesn't infringe on any of my rights.

a reply to: Klassified

its also impossible to project on either us and rome modern notions, we see this form of rewriting history with the english civil wars and how marxist adopted some groups claiming them proto marxists and some claimed as proto communists, leading them to frame the english civil wars as marxist revolutions.. by extension that would mean the usa was then founded by highly religious and devout communists..

its all messy and this idea the usa is fascistic only works by replacing the founders as communist with them being fascists, next week they will be trans activists..

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I'm open to a viable alternative to a Representative Republic that doesn't infringe on any of my rights.

next evolution of democracy will move it more to we the people now we have the tech, a move the grandees have been blocking since the civil war (english civil war that is)

originally posted by: nickyw


its all messy and this idea the usa is fascistic only works by replacing the founders as communist with them being fascists, next week they will be trans activists..

Well. . . they did wear wigs and heels.

a reply to: Klassified

I think we will just end up going in circles here... but, the symbolism, art, architecture, voting system based around the Roman fasces is the focus of the topic, not the modern sense of fascism.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

I think we will just end up going in circles here... but, the symbolism, art, architecture, voting system based around the Roman fasces is the focus of the topic, not the modern sense of fascism.

I get it, and I can't argue the symbolism is there. It's quite obvious actually, but since the ancient is being compared with the modern, I don't see it as off-topic to point out the differences in implementation and purpose between the two countries.

a reply to: strongfp

It also occurs to me that the Romans did not call their system "Fascism"... Thus whenever I've ever heard references before to Roman Republicanism it was called the aforementioned.

a reply to: Klassified

Thanks!
TIK does good work imho.
A little too affected by his detractors I think.
But he's realized they don't matter so long as they cannot provide a viable counter argument and that considering their pushback was inevitable.