Justice Has Always Been A Pendulum

Term limits on Congress

6 terms for a House rep (12 years)
2 terms for a Senator (12 years)

Remove special interest groups

SCOTUS term of 10 years with a seat being renewed every year. 9 judges only, no more no less. 4 appointed and 5 voted into position by the public. Life appointments do not work.

Corruption:
Any abuse of one’s position (to improve one’s financial standing, carry favor for other countries, influence law, treason, insurrection, lie, cheat….etc) proven in a court of law would vacate the position and charges would apply appropriate to the illegal activity regardless of person under suspicion of having violated this law. Likewise, this law will not be abused to create corruption by false accusation.

No law shall contain pay raises for any governmental offices.

Race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, physical limits, veteran status, and all the other things under this category are considered freedoms and therefore covered under the amendment to the constitution. They will therefore cease to be political points of pandering. Any use of these freedoms to create division in the population will come under the laws against corruption. See above.

a reply to: psychotrail

Any thoughts on balancing our justice systems ?

Start with holding the media accountable for its lies and propaganda pushed by all mainstream outlets. It needs to start with the false information knowingly being pushed out as the truth. Make these organizations bring facts, not anonymous testimonies that never come to light, and if they do not, fine the hell out of them.
The problem is we would need congress and the president to back this, but they will not because they are using the media for their own gains.

The media told us that Trump was involved with Russia and election meddling after Trump asked about Hunter Biden's Burisma dealings on a phone call with Volodymyr Zelenskiy of Ukraine. A few years later we see there was some cause for concern between our current President and his son. The same President who is sending billions to Ukraine and Zelenskiy every chance he gets, like it is a bribe disguised as effort to thwart Russia. All the time knowing he can stop Russia with a treaty.
There was truth to Trump asking about Burisma, but yet the media ran a diversion for years, and still are.

I do not care for Trump, I wish there was a better way, but if you cannot stand back and see that the establishment is terrified of him, and that they will do anything in there power to keep him out of power, and it is all because he will expose them if he becomes president once more. So you say you want a change? Then Vote Trump 2024 and lets see what they have been hiding from us, enough to where they will push for war to keep it hushed.
You already experience Trump for four years, what horror did you experience then? Cheap gas and friendly talks with the Middle East versus your grocery /gas bill now and a proxy, soon to be full on, war with Russia.
Choose wisely because this will be the election of the century.

well if there is voting there isnt actually anarchy is there?. I dont expect the proper understanding of the word any more
but here is a short answer. Anarchy is the noblest of all forms of social order. I know all the misguided things about to be unleashed, but before you do consider these things?. For a system without rules and laws, it sure has some pretty heavy rules and laws. Very cliquish and fall in line or else!! you would have to be there to get that. another is, it is suprising how well people actaully behave when they dont face a system, but instead all the angry or smiling faces right infront of them. The truth will get sussed out and it can be uncomfortable with ego involved(see me for example) ok point for you guys. Mob rule can be fairly just, and measured, which you would think is the opposite of mob rule, its not. lastly in the 70's or 80's and i still cant find the source, so you will have to take my word for it, but a blind survey was drafted and something like 70% a bit more of people actually scored on the political spectrum as???? anarchist's. if you wanna # on that go ahead. Im taking questions and i have answers. so fire away. if at the end if I havent swayed you directly, then I will have convinced other's that their understanding is so wrong and the didnt even by how far wrong and then they will know it. its a term just that is slung around now, like the term nazi is now. meaningless and hardly true to actaul definition. and for other's , like the one's in that survey, you may be an anarchist and not know it. Before the arrows fly maybe ask yourself? if i, myself am already prepared for your argument and for how long have i been prepared? are you prepared for my answer? because maybe you should be prepared or that mob rule thing will be demonstrated. However, im also prepared to # on the idea too. A man that knows the strengths must surely know the weaknesss's, or does he know anything at all then? One more thing hey guy, ya that guy, you know who ypou are I want you to speak up most. Be ardent, be staunch, stand you ground and just over and over tell me about what is impossible? I always look forward to you. While you are doing that im gonna talk to the other's and see if I can get get them to see what is possible. If they believe me. ok you go then and form your society take some with you too. Remember you are always welcome to come back. If yyou arent welcome back you would already know it and well, you are on your own. The rest of us will be sorting the best possible way to get things fairly evenly and easily done as possible. Anybody can say no. This isnt a democracy with majority rule, it is the truest form of democracy though. so You arent compelled to comply but we also arent compelled to share or take you in so dont rush any decisions ok? ok lets go im game? Think it through. this will take awhile. if its weak ass # that you heared in any blurb without context. a simple talking point?, save it, you arent in this fight. so the well thought ideas are in play all other's??? well find out? i guess. serious talk. Im not 100% but if you have nothing more than a simple understanding then just...dont . just listen and decide for yourself. I will be the first to say its where the ideal is weak and or wrong. The bleeting will start with the word idealist!! Go to the back and think through, that is not the death blow and end of arguement like you may think. Any romatics in the house?. ok, im here anyone else? idealists? still here? ok im here too, so im the first of the idealists too?. ok fair game....mob justice like i said. lets put anarchy in action and see if we can learn something new? and you the vote guy quoted below? you are the count guy. hands faces
whatever pick the thinbg and then count it. you brought it up so you seem experienced. doeas anybody else have something that we need to consider to fix this game just square as we can? issues?? whatever suggestions?w open floor. send in the archers!!!

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
I get a glimmer of hope when I see people start to open their eyes to the mass corruption prevalent on both sides. And then the glimmer fades when the assumption is that voting is going to fix everything.

What then , anarchy & he who killed the most gets to rule ?
Yes there is & always has been corruption in voting , but complete corruption is a reach . Besides the days of Boss Tweed are long gone & Boss Tweed insured complete corruption in voting.
Who knows though there is a possibility that all votes are meaningless & they make up numbers & install the pre-chosen as all our votes are never really counted, but I doubt that heavily.

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: psychotrail

Yes it is unfair , but it doesn’t dismiss Trump’s crimes imo .

Trump has been charged with crimes. Is innocent until proven guilty no longer a think in the US?

Have we, as a society, become so close minded and biased that we no longer require any proof before determining someone is guilty as charged?

Do you have an idea that would help even out our Justice system ?
This thread isn’t about who did what ..
Im calling both parties corrupt.

I have a great idea that would help our entire government. Military goes in and throws them all out, same with all the big MSM companies, military goes in and puts them all out of business. All the ACTUAL liars and people abusing their authority, like current judges, politicians.

Destroy all the voting machines like Dominions cheater systems, use tanks to fire upon them in a big pile at the big garbage dump. Make it very public.

Just like that coup that just happened in Africa, that wasn't really a coup, it was justice being served against liars and cheaters.
No more cheating Dominion voting company, all gone. French revolution style. The liars and cheaters want to use tyranny against the people who oppose them. Off with their heads.

Too scary? Nahhh.
It won't matter soon anyways, Iran and Russia will use nukes against the USA pushed in to it by criminally incompetent American officials. They really do want full hot war with Russia.

Get your house in order.

a reply to: psychotrail

Just because there's no ready solution doesn't mean that voting is the answer. If voting worked, we should have easily wiped out corruption a long time ago. But the truth is, it only gets worse over time.

Why do we need rulers in the first place? Why do we need politics, why do we need governments...do you ever ask yourself these kinds of questions

originally posted by: psychotrail
I will not be voting for Biden nor Trump but rather a moderate left candidate ...

Is there such a thing nowadays? Seriously.
I'm not seeing anyone who fits that and who can be voted for POTUS.

a reply to: psychotrail

You don’t get my opening statement.

I do get your opening statement; that's why I won't waste your time-or mine. There's no reasoning with someone who thinks they already have all the answers before the facts are in and just wants to convince everybody they're wrong and only he/she has the superior knowledge.

You are are picking up your toys and going home ?

I don't have any toys. I don't 'play' life like it's a game.

a reply to: psychotrail

Lady Justice should always be blind.

originally posted by: wdkirk
Term limits on Congress

6 terms for a House rep (12 years)
2 terms for a Senator (12 years)

Remove special interest groups

SCOTUS term of 10 years with a seat being renewed every year. 9 judges only, no more no less. 4 appointed and 5 voted into position by the public. Life appointments do not work.

Corruption:
Any abuse of one’s position (to improve one’s financial standing, carry favor for other countries, influence law, treason, insurrection, lie, cheat….etc) proven in a court of law would vacate the position and charges would apply appropriate to the illegal activity regardless of person under suspicion of having violated this law. Likewise, this law will not be abused to create corruption by false accusation.

No law shall contain pay raises for any governmental offices.

Race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, physical limits, veteran status, and all the other things under this category are considered freedoms and therefore covered under the amendment to the constitution. They will therefore cease to be political points of pandering. Any use of these freedoms to create division in the population will come under the laws against corruption. See above.

Awesome ideas & your theory would help curb the lopsided terms we see over & over again.

originally posted by: AnrkEE
well if there is voting there isnt actually anarchy is there?. I dont expect the proper understanding of the word any more
but here is a short answer. Anarchy is the noblest of all forms of social order. I know all the misguided things about to be unleashed, but before you do consider these things?. For a system without rules and laws, it sure has some pretty heavy rules and laws. Very cliquish and fall in line or else!! you would have to be there to get that. another is, it is suprising how well people actaully behave when they dont face a system, but instead all the angry or smiling faces right infront of them. The truth will get sussed out and it can be uncomfortable with ego involved(see me for example) ok point for you guys. Mob rule can be fairly just, and measured, which you would think is the opposite of mob rule, its not. lastly in the 70's or 80's and i still cant find the source, so you will have to take my word for it, but a blind survey was drafted and something like 70% a bit more of people actually scored on the political spectrum as???? anarchist's. if you wanna # on that go ahead. Im taking questions and i have answers. so fire away. if at the end if I havent swayed you directly, then I will have convinced other's that their understanding is so wrong and the didnt even by how far wrong and then they will know it. its a term just that is slung around now, like the term nazi is now. meaningless and hardly true to actaul definition. and for other's , like the one's in that survey, you may be an anarchist and not know it. Before the arrows fly maybe ask yourself? if i, myself am already prepared for your argument and for how long have i been prepared? are you prepared for my answer? because maybe you should be prepared or that mob rule thing will be demonstrated. However, im also prepared to # on the idea too. A man that knows the strengths must surely know the weaknesss's, or does he know anything at all then? One more thing hey guy, ya that guy, you know who ypou are I want you to speak up most. Be ardent, be staunch, stand you ground and just over and over tell me about what is impossible? I always look forward to you. While you are doing that im gonna talk to the other's and see if I can get get them to see what is possible. If they believe me. ok you go then and form your society take some with you too. Remember you are always welcome to come back. If yyou arent welcome back you would already know it and well, you are on your own. The rest of us will be sorting the best possible way to get things fairly evenly and easily done as possible. Anybody can say no. This isnt a democracy with majority rule, it is the truest form of democracy though. so You arent compelled to comply but we also arent compelled to share or take you in so dont rush any decisions ok? ok lets go im game? Think it through. this will take awhile. if its weak ass # that you heared in any blurb without context. a simple talking point?, save it, you arent in this fight. so the well thought ideas are in play all other's??? well find out? i guess. serious talk. Im not 100% but if you have nothing more than a simple understanding then just...dont . just listen and decide for yourself. I will be the first to say its where the ideal is weak and or wrong. The bleeting will start with the word idealist!! Go to the back and think through, that is not the death blow and end of arguement like you may think. Any romatics in the house?. ok, im here anyone else? idealists? still here? ok im here too, so im the first of the idealists too?. ok fair game....mob justice like i said. lets put anarchy in action and see if we can learn something new? and you the vote guy quoted below? you are the count guy. hands faces
whatever pick the thinbg and then count it. you brought it up so you seem experienced. doeas anybody else have something that we need to consider to fix this game just square as we can? issues?? whatever suggestions?w open floor. send in the archers!!!

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
I get a glimmer of hope when I see people start to open their eyes to the mass corruption prevalent on both sides. And then the glimmer fades when the assumption is that voting is going to fix everything.

What then , anarchy & he who killed the most gets to rule ?
Yes there is & always has been corruption in voting , but complete corruption is a reach . Besides the days of Boss Tweed are long gone & Boss Tweed insured complete corruption in voting.
Who knows though there is a possibility that all votes are meaningless & they make up numbers & install the pre-chosen as all our votes are never really counted, but I doubt that heavily.

I don’t understand your post . Could you describe it without drifting into 3rd , 2nd & 1st person ?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: psychotrail

Yes it is unfair , but it doesn’t dismiss Trump’s crimes imo .

Trump has been charged with crimes. Is innocent until proven guilty no longer a think in the US?

Have we, as a society, become so close minded and biased that we no longer require any proof before determining someone is guilty as charged?

Do you have an idea that would help even out our Justice system ?
This thread isn’t about who did what ..
Im calling both parties corrupt.

I have a great idea that would help our entire government. Military goes in and throws them all out, same with all the big MSM companies, military goes in and puts them all out of business. All the ACTUAL liars and people abusing their authority, like current judges, politicians.

Destroy all the voting machines like Dominions cheater systems, use tanks to fire upon them in a big pile at the big garbage dump. Make it very public.

Just like that coup that just happened in Africa, that wasn't really a coup, it was justice being served against liars and cheaters.
No more cheating Dominion voting company, all gone. French revolution style. The liars and cheaters want to use tyranny against the people who oppose them. Off with their heads.

Too scary? Nahhh.
It won't matter soon anyways, Iran and Russia will use nukes against the USA pushed in to it by criminally incompetent American officials. They really do want full hot war with Russia.

Get your house in order.

Bit extreme, no?

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: psychotrail

Just because there's no ready solution doesn't mean that voting is the answer. If voting worked, we should have easily wiped out corruption a long time ago. But the truth is, it only gets worse over time.

Why do we need rulers in the first place? Why do we need politics, why do we need governments...do you ever ask yourself these kinds of questions

Yes & then I look at Sierra Leone , Haiti & other backwards countries

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: psychotrail
I will not be voting for Biden nor Trump but rather a moderate left candidate ...

Is there such a thing nowadays? Seriously.
I'm not seeing anyone who fits that and who can be voted for POTUS.

RFK Jr. ?
Tulsi ?

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: psychotrail

You don’t get my opening statement.

I do get your opening statement; that's why I won't waste your time-or mine. There's no reasoning with someone who thinks they already have all the answers before the facts are in and just wants to convince everybody they're wrong and only he/she has the superior knowledge.

You are are picking up your toys and going home ?

I don't have any toys. I don't 'play' life like it's a game.[/quoteYou do realise that you call Joe & Hunter guilty often throughout threads here on ATS , right ?
Hypocrisy helps no one .
Im done conversing with you in this thread unless you yoy have ideas how to help , rather than accuse others of what you do daily .
Take care you Ol’Swedish Fish sniffer from Tasmania.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Lady Justice should always be blind.

Absolutely. You have different thoughts on things DB , any ideas of how to get our DOJ & Courts balanced ?

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Lady Justice should always be blind.

Absolutely. You have different thoughts on things DB , any ideas of how to get our DOJ & Courts balanced ?

Revolution.

a reply to: psychotrail

Take care you Ol’Swedish Fish sniffer from Tasmania.

Bless your heart.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Lady Justice should always be blind.

Absolutely. You have different thoughts on things DB , any ideas of how to get our DOJ & Courts balanced ?

Revolution.

Are you willing to go that extreme ?

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Lady Justice should always be blind.

Absolutely. You have different thoughts on things DB , any ideas of how to get our DOJ & Courts balanced ?

Revolution.

Are you willing to go that extreme ?

Nope.

I'm old, need the current government, and am a coward.

I'll be "The Good German" and obey even though it'll kill me inside.

I have too many people reliant on me.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: psychotrail

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: psychotrail

Lady Justice should always be blind.

Absolutely. You have different thoughts on things DB , any ideas of how to get our DOJ & Courts balanced ?

Revolution.

Are you willing to go that extreme ?

Nope.

I'm old, need the current government, and am a coward.

I'll be "The Good German" and obey even though it'll kill me inside.

I have too many people reliant on me.

So the youth should revolt , because they don’t have families of their own ?