New NDE Study Concludes That There IS An Afterlife

These threads always make me chuckle. You'll find a lot of people claiming they know there's nothing, others claiming they know the opposite. No one knows anything. Arguing about this topic might be the most moronic thing.

On a side note, the sheer number of paranormal experiences people have had, documented, and/or recorded, do seem to indicate that there's either something after, or some sort of dimension/universe that interacts with our own. Either would be fascinating.

People that have had NDE's know there is something else, those that never had one, Don't.
It is as simple as that.

There is no skill you can study that will absolutely fill you in on the reality of it.

Putting others down because they say they know something you do not, is stupid, but certainly human nature.

I wonder if NDE experiences are any more than the mind going haywire as the the process of death begins.

I know that's been discussed many times before. But my take is, one is not REALLY dead if they can be brought back. It's what happens after that point that matters, and if one is past the point of resuscitating, there would be no tales of those experiences. By definition NDE means NEAR death experiences, not after death experiences.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I put NDE's alongside life flashing before your eyes. Sorta like an "impending death" program where every synapse starts firing and every pleasure chemical gets released.

It probably relates to the unconscious because of the quick-firing long lost memories that pop up.

Something like this from a different study.

www.medicalnewstoday.com...-death-experiences-difficult-to-study

At the time of death, brain activity was detected in the TPJ region of the brain — named because it’s the junction between the temporal, parietal and occipital lobes in the back of the brain.

The TPJ already has a known association with dreaming, hallucinations, and altered states of consciousness.

“I really wanted to be able to define something in the brain that can potentially explain that subjective near-death experience,” Prof. Borjigin said. “Some of these patients might have if they had survived to tell their stories, but unfortunately they didn’t.”

While it’s impossible to know what the patients experienced during these brain surges, this increased activity in the TPJ could help explain vivid near-death experiences.

Even though the patients weren’t visibly conscious, the uptick in brain activity showed covert consciousness — in other words, consciousness that can’t be detected using bedside exams because the patient is incapacitated.

I think the pineal gland does some thing to your brain when you die.
a burst to the brain that looks light a bright light and feel good.
Just like a d,r.u,g! like a O.B.E.
maybe to prepare you for death?
and what may come next.
Look up OBE !


Degradation33.
I did not read all the posts before posting this.
so I did not copy from you.
I have been thinking about this for a year.

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: FlyersFan

One thing seems certain: we'll ALL know the truth about this at some point.

Yes that's true. It would be nice to know what is coming.
It's kinda important .. being that its' eternity and all that.

Eternity. Or is it?

Funny thing about "Eternity"... Is it an infinite amount of time or complete absence of time?... (I know - the latter is too hard to deal with, so people like the former... which makes no sense at all!)

a reply to: charlyv

And schizophrenics swear the voices they hear are real but they're not. The brain is capable of tricking you or filling in blanks in the only way you can comprehend. There are way more studies and actual experiments that support this. The results can be replicated and observed.

Now here's my opinion. NDEs are a way to cope with the most traumatic experience you'll experience. Death and coming back. It seems more like the experience is a way to cope with the fear of when it's going to happen again. I feel like people with NDEs are more afraid of death hence th brain creating a fantasy land for them

a reply to: Missterious

Anecdotes aren't evidence because the witness is unreliable. If that were the case we'd still be in the dark ages and our justice system would be even worse than it is. Look into how hypotheses are tested. It's amazing how the scientific method springboarded our society technologically and scientifically. Before then it was all archaic nonsense and what people felt rather what was true.

Also how can you watch an NDE? If you believe that urely you believe in alien abductions, fairy abductions and other things that are all anecdotal evidence. I bet you believe in mermaids too

a reply to: Satanwasframed

'Lol' Satanwasframed - no, you're not biased about the possibility of a beautiful spiritual afterlife. Not with a username like that, surely not. Perish the thought!

originally posted by: Satanwasframed
Anecdotes aren't evidence because the witness is unreliable.

With NDEs that is all there is. There is no way to check what they see and experience.
That's why the study says it 'concluded ... not that it had 'proof'. Two different things.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Lol then it's a bad conclusion. It's impossible to conclude anything without repeatable and observable data.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Satanwasframed
Anecdotes aren't evidence because the witness is unreliable.

With NDEs that is all there is. There is no way to check what they see and experience.
That's why the study says it 'concluded ... not that it had 'proof'. Two different things.

But the purpose of the study was not to conclude if there IS an afterlife as I mentioned here

The purpose of the study had nothing todo with what happens in the afterlife. It was a clickbait story that took lots of liberties in order to exploit views

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Well I find it funny. I'm not a Satanist I'm an atheist. I don't believe in Satan any more than I do God. There is no evidence for either and I don't really deal in hypotheticals

I am biased against Christians though

a reply to: sine.nomine

I once had a very peaceful dream experience of dying that was part of a long dream narrative in which I was violently & dramatically killed. As I fell, my body collapsing after three fifty calibre bullets from an Apache gunship hit my mid-torso, I drifted/settled into a state of blissful sleep in deep darkness, where everything, even the sensing of my mind, drifted into almost nothing at all. Then, I was barely aware of being lifted by several pairs of invisible hands, before being deposited down on a firm, textured surface. I came round as if from the most blissful sleep ever, finding myself in a beautiful forest with golden rays of sunlight filtering through the trees - totally removed from the warzone in which I died, and the deep, dreamless sleep state (which was like being weightless, wrapped in the softest duvet blanket of drowsiness, in non-threatening, comforting darkness). In the forest I saw special symbols of God's will & plan for my life, and then I was approached by an angelic being, who told me I would never be persecuted again. At that my joy broke over into tears, as I had been psychologically abused as a teenager in my real life.

The whole experience, amongst others in the dream state which also led to death & ascension to Heaven in the dream, gave me absolute confidence of the reality of Heaven & the love of God - there was just a clarity of spiritual insight which is impossible to convey in mealy earth words.

But the fact is, YOU experienced something too when you died - you experienced peace, and a sense of the weight falling away - that is the first stage; the comforting darkness & dreamless sleep, resting from all your travails. Then the angels come!

Moral of the tale, don't lose hope just because you received a partial revelation in your few experiences. Try to be less cynical, and investigate these things with an open mind - you'll perhaps be surprised at some of the wonderful things you discover. I also suggest watching video testimony in the various NDE documentaries that have been created, so you can see the honesty & deep truthfulness, joy & humility expressed by those who had more complete NDE experiences than either you or I have experienced to date.

a reply to: Satanwasframed

You're biased against all Christians? All 2 billion or so? You're a pretty biased dude...

Look mate, be an atheist, whatever, it's your life. But seriously, consider that not all people in a given demographic are the same. Whatever bad experience you've had with one Christian, I could point you to 90 Christians who are wonderful, warm, caring, gentle, loving people. Yes, there are wolves amongst the flock - even Jesus said that would be the case. But we have to be open to the possibility that not everyone in a given denomination, or religion, is bad. I can't stand a lot of stuff about the Islamic faith, for somewhat valid reasons (abuse of women, terrorism, wholesale slaughter of unarmed Christian women & children in Africa, repeatedly & so on) - but I'm aware & accept that not all Muslims are like that - they're captive to the vicious ideology. But seriously, you cannot claim that Christians have a 'vicious' or otherwise pernicious ideology. They sing every Sunday about love & grace, not war & bloodshed (aside from a few old battle hymns which aren't much in favour any more, and which NEVER call for the murder or abuse of anyone).

Of course, the Catholic church in particular has a lot to answer for in how it has protected & even elevated paedophile priests into positions of authority - but aside from a few bad apples, the majority of ministers from other denominations are entirely unlikely to be abusers. There will always be one example here or there, but again, I could show you 99 non-abusive ministers, probably even 999, for every abusive minister. You can't be biased against a whole religion because of a few bad apples. It's like being biased against all bus conductors because you heard about abuse perpetrated by a bus conductor in your home town.

From the study... enough said.

It is then reasonable to hypothesize that a propensity to dissociative states and to spiritual beliefs and practices make people more likely to report NDEs when exposed to certain physiological conditions.

I have had what could be interpreted as an NDE during a heavy psilocybin trip.

a reply to: Satanwasframed

People are convinced every day in courts around the world that someone is guilty of the most heinous crimes because of verbal testimony. do you deny this? Do you deny that this is sufficient evidence to convict, even causing a man to lose his life as a result? Most normal people will accept repeated incidences of verbal testimony as conclusive when the weight becomes overbearing, when its internally & externally consistent between the witnesses, etc. Simple facts for you. Someone can be skeptical about whether a man murdered someone, but then finds himself convinced by the testimony of multiple witnesses... Also see my comment further up this page, regarding different stages in the NDE state that may be occurring.

a reply to: Satanwasframed

After reviewing several of your comments you're either a cynical diehard militant atheist, or a bitter troll in my humble opinion. At least theists are generally polite & constructive people.

a reply to: flice

Psilocybin, in my opinion, is a tool that we haven't quite yet gathered the necessary scientific acumen & insight to properly understand as a modality for psychological healing. I say that as an evangelical Christian. It's got worth, I believe it may even be a very advanced divine gift from God. One which we haven't quite cracked yet. A field which was damaged by the degenerates such as Timothy Leary, who set the field of psilocybin research back by almost fifty years as a result of his lack of rigorous academic follow-up. He just yelled that everyone should do it willy-nilly, in hazardous settings, without reverence, forethought, care - and then the government got scared & banned it.

The research is now finally getting going again, and in fact I had planned a very detailed thread about this, for which I'm still awaiting site owner permission before proceeding... My 'NDEs' have come in the form of very long, very detailed semi-lucid dreams. I've had several which were deeply realistic, dying in a variety of ways, symbolic of specific spiritual truths regarding the life I'm living, and the ultimate destiny of us all. Peace.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Lol yep you're just like the majority of them. Give me a diatribe on why you're better blah blah blah. Blame the catholic church and shirk responsibility. Point fingers to Islam. The reason I can be biased against all Christians is because you all sound the exact same. Same arguments. Same scriptures. None of you actually read h Bible. You're willfully ignorant to the conception of the Bible. You cherry pick the loving stuff and ignore the evil promoted in your Bible.

I don't believe in God but the God in the Bible is worse than Kim Jong un. I had a guy compare atheists and Christians. He brought up stalin and mau, all of yalls go to. But you guys alway conveniently leave out the flood. You worship a God that killed every human except a drunk and his family. Then the guy curses one of his bloodlines. So now his ancestors have to pay for the sin of their forefather. I bet you don't believe in reparations too. Because you didn't own slaves right? But by God's law you should have to pay the debts owed from your forefathers. What about exodus 21, God's instruction manual for slavery and rape? What about Joshua wiping out all man, woman, children, and animal as God commanded? You Christians sit on top of a glass house throwing stones at everyone when you're religion is just as archaic and violent.