Marxist Pope Francis Calls America Catholics 'Backwards'

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Point to one, just one, citation where the Bible commands Christians to commit genocide against non believers.

You can't, because it isn't there - though it is in the Koran.

Here's some bud.

Kill nonbelievers. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Kill followers of other religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
Kill an entire town if anyone there worships another God. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
Kill in the name of the Lord. (Jeremiah 48:10)
Death to followers of other religions. (Exodus 22:19)

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

If you want to get technical about it, he said to show where the bible said for Christians to kill unbelievers, and you showed where the bible told Hebrews to kill specific unbelievers in the Old Testament ... not Christians. The Old Testament and the New Testament are very different.

a reply to: FlyersFan

That's definitely a fair point.

I could only argue that there are some Christians out there that don't really make that distinction.

a reply to: strongfp

Yeah?

What the hell is 'quote mine posting'???

i didn't see that answered?

Whats wrong with in line quotes, when adressing specific points in a post?
Of course if one has a weak argument and gets dissected it's a bannable offense.

Your feels matter too

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

In a world where ideology is the social cohesion, guilty by association has to be a thing?

a reply to: Terpene

i didn't see that answered?

Use you big boy brain to see the answer in the paragraph I gave.

Of course if one has a weak argument

Or makes redundant points?

Your feels matter too

Oh no, the feelz insult. Someone help me. Mods please my feelings.

Whats wrong with in line quotes

Nothing, when it's used in the right way. What's wrong with pointing out how insufferable they become when every post is in this format? It's inefficient as well.

It's like they're having a discord chat with themselves. If I wanted a live chat then I'll go to one.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: FlyersFan

That's definitely a fair point.

I could only argue that there are some Christians out there that don't really make that distinction.

most societies tend to attack and kill their own more than others.. insert what ever religion into that mix it doesn't change that outcome, we can see it today in the ways our societies are dividing, othering and moving towards waging war on themselves in a process similar to the reformation... the 30 years war killed 8 million and was fought between Christian groups,

a reply to: FlyersFan

You're kind of proving his point with this thread.

By the way, what exactly do you think Jesus' teachings mean?

originally posted by: Threadbare

You're kind of proving his point with this thread.

How exactly does pointing out "Pope Francis'' hateful anti-American bigotry and marxist behavior prove that he is correct that American Catholics are backwards?

a reply to: FlyersFan

The fact that you're calling him anti-Christian when all he's doing is pointing out the fact that many Americans hide behind the Bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: FlyersFan

The fact that you're calling him anti-Christian when all he's doing is pointing out the fact that many Americans hide behind the Bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings.

Actually, I called him anti-Catholic and that's because he is constantly tearing down actual Catholics who adhere to the Catholic teachings and who do not follow his obvious marxist far left political agenda. Americans don't hide behind the bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings. Not sure where you are getting that from.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: FlyersFan

The fact that you're calling him anti-Christian when all he's doing is pointing out the fact that many Americans hide behind the Bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings.

Actually, I called him anti-Catholic and that's because he is constantly tearing down actual Catholics who adhere to the Catholic teachings and who do not follow his obvious marxist far left political agenda. Americans don't hide behind the bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings. Not sure where you are getting that from.

Are you really saying American Catholics understand and interpret Catholic teachings better than the Pope?

a reply to: strongfp

If you don't do it like that some don't get context, and adress stuff totally out of context trying to make a point that isn't on topic.

It helps to keep the adressed points seperate and for others to see what is actually adressed.


It leaves less to interpretation, hence can't be used in a manipulative manner.
I can only guess as to why that bothers you....

originally posted by: quintessentone
Are you really saying American Catholics understand and interpret Catholic teachings better than the Pope?

Re read what I said. I said that he's constantly tearing down American Catholics who adhere to Catholic teaching AND who reject his anti-Catholic far left politics. YOU are self professed 'woke' and therefore far left and agree with his Marxism. Catholicism does not. He doesn't like Catholics who reject his politics and has said that he is 'honored' when those Catholics don't like him. He is arrogant and just a typical South American who hates American exceptionalism.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: FlyersFan

The fact that you're calling him anti-Christian when all he's doing is pointing out the fact that many Americans hide behind the Bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings.

Actually, I called him anti-Catholic and that's because he is constantly tearing down actual Catholics who adhere to the Catholic teachings and who do not follow his obvious marxist far left political agenda. Americans don't hide behind the bible to promote government policy that is antithetical to Christ's teachings. Not sure where you are getting that from.

Are you really saying American Catholics understand and interpret Catholic teachings better than the Pope?

yes and that applies to the south Americans and europeans to unless you think that one guy is better than the tens if not 100s of millions he calls heretics.

a reply to: FlyersFan

nothing to do with exceptionalism, he sees south americans and european catholics as heretics alongside those in north American, he's an elitist which is why he got the role.

rome has always feared pelagian thought in that man can achieve salvation without an elite telling them how.

the founding principle that built the modern church where created to confront pelagius and francis since his election has sought to fight what he sees as modern Pelagianism..

2014: Pope Francis: Ancient heresy plagues modern Church

Pelagius held, however, that human beings do not need the interior assistance of God’s grace to avoid sin and lead holy lives; instead, he believed that holiness is attained through one’s unaided free will.

Rome and elitists like francis hate the idea of free will which is what this all boils down to..

the conflict between the roman and british church goes back to the 4th century.. and encompases figures like st Augustine, jerome et al..

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Are you really saying American Catholics understand and interpret Catholic teachings better than the Pope?

Re read what I said. I said that he's constantly tearing down American Catholics who adhere to Catholic teaching AND who reject his anti-Catholic far left politics. YOU are self professed 'woke' and therefore far left and agree with his Marxism. Catholicism does not. He doesn't like Catholics who reject his politics and has said that he is 'honored' when those Catholics don't like him. He is arrogant and just a typical South American who hates American exceptionalism.

I am not woke I am awake which is not sleep walking through life.

The pope said American Catholics are pre-occupied with issues going on below the waist, and certain factions of this religion most certainly are, this is truth.

He is calling out not all Catholics just the usual suspects who put their interpretations of scripture over Jesus' teachings and then politicize it, this is truth.

I find the Pope has been and continues to be following Jesus' teachings in helping those less fortunate.

But God says throughout the Bible that he welcomes everyone who comes to Him. Jesus extends acceptance and kindness first. He never says, “First clean up your act, then come to me.” Rather he first says, “Come.”

That would be accept everyone and that is the mindset of the majority of Catholic schools and churches, not the minority.

originally posted by: quintessentone
The pope said American Catholics are pre-occupied with issues going on below the waist, and certain factions of this religion most certainly are, this is truth.

He never said any such thing. And having an opinion that follows church teaching isn't 'preoccupation'.

He is calling out not all Catholics just the usual suspects who put their interpretations of scripture over Jesus' teachings and then politicize it, this is truth.

He never said any such thing. And it's "Pope Francis" who is dragging politics into religion, not the other way around.

I find the Pope has been and continues to be following Jesus' teachings in helping those less fortunate.

He's a globalist marxist interjecting his own far left politics into matters of faith.

That would be accept everyone and that is the mindset of the majority of Catholic schools and churches, not the minority.

WITHOUT watering down the teachings and the truth of the Catholic faith to 'accept everyone'.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
The pope said American Catholics are pre-occupied with issues going on below the waist, and certain factions of this religion most certainly are, this is truth.

He never said any such thing. And having an opinion that follows church teaching isn't 'preoccupation'.

Yes he did. "What I don't like at all, in general, is that we look at the so-called 'sin of the flesh' with a magnifying glass," said Francis. "If you exploited workers, if you lied or cheated, it didn't matter, and instead relevant were the sins below the waist."

He is calling out not all Catholics just the usual suspects who put their interpretations of scripture over Jesus' teachings and then politicize it, this is truth.

He never said any such thing. And it's "Pope Francis" who is dragging politics into religion, not the other way around.

Yes he did, see above. No, he is calling them out within certain factions of American Catholics.

I find the Pope has been and continues to be following Jesus' teachings in helping those less fortunate.

He's a globalist marxist interjecting his own far left politics into matters of faith.

This is typical of the Pope: Pope Francis will celebrate Mass in St. Peter's Basilica with the poor and anyone else who would like to participate. Afterward, a hot lunch will be served in the Vatican's Paul VI Hall to 1,300 people living in poverty.

That would be accept everyone and that is the mindset of the majority of Catholic schools and churches, not the minority.

WITHOUT watering down the teachings and the truth of the Catholic faith to 'accept everyone'.

The watering down as you call it is really certain Catholic factions in America interpreting scripture to fit their biases where they believe, outside of Jesus teachings, that not everyone is welcome.

And we all know who those factions are:

Pope chides ‘backward’ conservatives in US for replacing faith with ideology.

www.theguardian.com...