Marxist Pope Francis Calls America Catholics 'Backwards'

originally posted by: nugget1
Maybe it's just me, but a religion that has spent decades and millions-if not billions- of dollars protecting priests who've harmed children in the worst ways possible is irrelevant in my world.

Why people continue to follow and support the Catholic church is beyond me; it's not like they aren't still getting caught doing the same thing currently.

I could not have said it better, thanks. I will still carry my faith in 'The Almighty' to my last days.

"It's easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven," forewarned Jesus.

With comments like that. Pretty sure Jesus was a Marxist.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ancientlight

This is not Marxist philosophy... and is the pope indicating any of these things?

He indeed has:

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Also rather hypocritical of him considering the vast wealth of the Vatican, for it's tiny size, the richest country in the world.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm a former Lutheran that's Hindu, but # that noise

To all those who claim Christianity is all but fairytales, what do you, or the God you created for your own peace of mind who will save you from the Rigtheous wraith of a Holy God, say or how do you cope with

PROPHECY

a reply to: Satanwasframed

nah they dont.

thats the 'media' who h8tes catholik talk.

i have friends from grade school, and anyone who 'h8tes' catholiks, i know, are weak fem mini0ns who watch and 'believe' the newz.

cath0liks, just like anyone else, have a percentage of s0ci0paths.
the SAME percentage as ANY other group of people.

because 2-4% of the population are s0ciopaths.

and mini0ns, are 'told' to 'believe' and 'follow' said s0ci0paths.

a reply to: quintessentone

this pope thinks everyone not woke is backward heretic his first attacks on becoming pope was against south American Catholics who he called Pelagians its one if not the worst of hereties for rome as its that early British Christian view is one that neither church or an elite is needed to achieve salvation we can all do that, and that lies at the core of the English reformation, and at the core of American culture.

this is the real issue where the top tier is so far removed from the society and only aligned with fellow elitists, this is evident in Anglicanism as it is in roman Catholicism as we face another reformation because of this rift.

originally posted by: nugget1
Maybe it's just me, but a religion that has spent decades and millions-if not billions- of dollars protecting priests who've harmed children in the worst ways possible is irrelevant in my world.

Why people continue to follow and support the Catholic church is beyond me; it's not like they aren't still getting caught doing the same thing currently.

understanding that is the first step to understanding the current situation in the church as in society.

the biggest heresy pope francis is scared of is one of the earliest church heresies that of pelegiasnism, as it does not need an elites approval to achieve salvation, its the heart of the English reformation, and given where we are with all kinds of elite in this world framing it we need their approval and be grateful to them for being colder/hungry/poorer, we look to be heading for another reformation, this is at the heart of what scares them all.

the most recent polls in the uk have roughly 40%+ as politically homeless and looking outside the elite Westminster bubble for answers to all of life questions, this is what pelegianisam is and does, we each get to decide what is good and moral, what is right and wrong.. not the state or church.

the church and state sh*t the bed during covids both left the dying in hospital to die without safeguarding and comfort removing from societies most vulnerable both familial and spiritual safeguards, while both will survive whats coming they''ll be even more reduced than now along with all the various arms, ngos etc..

a reply to: ancientlight

Private property under Christianity is a "secondary" right given to man, by God. End of story.

Under marxist theory private property used for the sole purpose of controlling the means of production is "stolen" from the working class by the capitalist class for nothing but pure profit and should be redistributed through things like profit sharing or just abolish private property all together back into the hands of the workers. Because all production inherently begins at the foundation of land ownership under capitalism.

a reply to: strongfp

the thing is communists, socialist and marxists all try to adopt specific sects into their ideology to give themselves a history..

that was pretty notable in the 1970s when i lot of effort effort into rewriting history, the thing is with these groups rewriting history of groups who in their own time accused the roman church of rewriting history..

theory is nothing without a history to prove its longevity.. the Marxists not to be outdone by the French or Americans adopted the English civil war as a Marxist English revolution 1640-1680.

the thing with theories as we see today is to have some validity you have to rewrite history to create the stage for todays act to play out.. there has to be centuries of oppression..

its just as easy for Marxists to rewrite roman catholic history to validate Marxism as it is to repurpose Roman Catholicism as the eternal enemy.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: quintessentone
this pope thinks everyone not woke is backward heretic .

TRUE!

a reply to: FlyersFan

i always found it interesting that he started off attacking south Americans now attacking north Americans. its like he was elected pope just to attack them as though it coming from one of their own would make a difference.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: quintessentone

this pope thinks everyone not woke is backward heretic his first attacks on becoming pope was against south American Catholics who he called Pelagians its one if not the worst of hereties for rome as its that early British Christian view is one that neither church or an elite is needed to achieve salvation we can all do that, and that lies at the core of the English reformation, and at the core of American culture.

this is the real issue where the top tier is so far removed from the society and only aligned with fellow elitists, this is evident in Anglicanism as it is in roman Catholicism as we face another reformation because of this rift.

Pope Francis has always been charitable to those less fortunate - Christian charity, remember that term?

He stays true to Jesus' teachings in that respect and I don't think it's as simple as saying the Pope is addressing those people that are not anti-LGBTQ but rather those that are reactionary within their Christian beliefs that seem to have abandoned Jesus' teachings about love thy neighbor in favor of persecution.

What does Jesus say about people who persecute you?

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

All I see him doing is what he always tries to do, that being, guide us in our faith and morals as society changes; understanding the human condition(s). Have your ideologies replaced your faith?

As for his views on American Christians well he certainly has a lot to say in that respect.

Pope insists LGBTQ people are welcome in church, warns against focusing on 'sins below the waist'

"The situation in the United States is not easy: There is a very strong, reactionary attitude. It is organized and shapes the way people belong, even emotionally," said the pope. "I want to remind these people that backwardism is useless, and it is necessary to understand that there is a correct evolution in the understanding of questions of faith and morals."

Francis went on to point to the writings of the fifth century monk, Vincent of Lérins, who taught that doctrine "may be consolidated by years, expanded by time, exalted by age."

"Change develops from the root upward, growing with these three criteria," the pope told the Jesuits, noting that Lérins knew that the understanding of the human person is deepened with the passage of time.

"The other sciences and their evolution also help the church in this growth in understanding," Francis said. "The view of church doctrine as a monolith is wrong."

"If you don't change upward, you go backward, and then you take on criteria for change different from those that the faith itself gives you to grow and change. And the effects on morality are devastating," said Francis.

"Those American groups of which you speak, so closed, are isolating themselves. And instead of living by doctrine, by the true doctrine that always develops and bears fruit, they live by ideologies," he added. "But when you abandon doctrine in life to replace it with an ideology, you have lost, you have lost as in war."

"What I don't like at all, in general, is that we look at the so-called 'sin of the flesh' with a magnifying glass," said Francis. "If you exploited workers, if you lied or cheated, it didn't matter, and instead relevant were the sins below the waist."

"We must not be superficial and naive, forcing people into things and behaviors for which they are not yet mature, or are not capable," Francis said. "To accompany people spiritually and pastorally takes a lot of sensitivity and creativity."

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a reply to: drongosrevenge
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originally posted by: quintessentone
Pope Francis has always been charitable to those less fortunate -

He's a marxist and a NWO player. He's more politician than Christian. Wants to 'redistribute wealth' around the world with the Vatican as the middle man doing the "redistributing". Taking their cut along the way I'm sure. He's hateful and arrogant and anti American to the core. No surprise that you like him.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Pope Francis has always been charitable to those less fortunate -

He's a marxist and a NWO player. He's more politician than Christian. Wants to 'redistribute wealth' around the world with the Vatican as the middle man doing the "redistributing". Taking their cut along the way I'm sure. He's hateful and arrogant and anti American to the core. No surprise that you like him.

He sees the reality of it all particularly with Christian Republicans in America, whereas you do not.

originally posted by: quintessentone
He sees the reality of it all particularly with Christian Republicans in America, whereas you do not.

No, the only reality here is that he sees that he can't get his far left marxist anti-catholic anti-american agenda going with everyone because there are still those who are smart enough to see through him for what he really is ... which you obviously are not.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
He sees the reality of it all particularly with Christian Republicans in America, whereas you do not.

No, the only reality here is that he sees that he can't get his far left marxist anti-catholic anti-american agenda going with everyone because there are still those who are smart enough to see through him for what he really is ... which you obviously are not.

He is not anti-American is is anti Christians focusing too much on what's going on below the waist rather than what's really important in faith.

a reply to: nickyw

You are right that every socialist movement has direction from Marxist theory woven into them. And that's because he put into stone the concept of oppressor and oppressed, and justified it. That concept tho was long used way before he was even born, it was used by hundreds of leaders throughout history.

Victor Dsvis Hanson who is a big name in classics argues that history is filled eith "marxist" movements by the wording and terminology used to describe battles and fights, soldiers were almost always farmers and "working class" professional soldiers didn't really become a thing until Rome pretty much. So all it took was a smart leader to rally together some broken down people and say they're oppressed by some other group and off you go.

The other theories of his that drive these movements is the idea that history can be molded through revolutionary means, an adaptation of Hegels philosophy of history, Hegels tho is by natural processes, so there's a bit of a contradiction going on, which Marx addresses in the form of denouncing God and religion because of the way the catholic church operated.

The thing about making the pope look marxist is that it's also a contradiction, the catholic church operated a world wide institution where they tell you God owns the land you walk on, but let's you become prosperous on it as long as you follow his rules.
oh and it just so happens we are closests to God so he told us to take a tax from you. And if you don't he'll know.
So in all Marx argued that if religion can artificially move history, so can the common man.

That concept of institutional religion has obviously been eroded away by ideas like capitalism and liberal democracy tho (which is i guess a natural process of hsitory), which has just seen its own criticism over the years, such as Marxism...

originally posted by: Satanwasframed
Meh the entirety of catholicism and Christianity is Marxist. Hell, Christians want global genocide for all of the unbelievers.

Ummm... no, that would be Islam/Muslims...