Marxist Pope Francis Calls America Catholics 'Backwards'

a reply to: Terpene

It helps to keep the adressed points seperate and for others to see what is actually adressed.

In this sort of environment, and in my experience with people who rip apart entire paragraphs into little itty bitty bites and then make a comment for every single one, they are doing so in "debate bro" style, to confuse, and entice the other party into tit for tat streams of information until one party trips up because they "didn't address" one question or point, and that's just a debate point in their ego filled head.

I've seen it happen numerous times. So my sarcastic remake about quote miners or line quoting should be a banable offence was made because I noticed that happening.

"Y you didn't answer this question in my 13th line on this particular post!!!"

In this sort of platform people can't be glued to their computers to hash out and copy and past every little detail of a post and have mini conversations within a post one after the other. People come here to mostly read, digest, and then think about a response, and then write a response.

Anyways, this is going no where and off topic.

Good luck.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: tanstaafl
Kill nonbelievers. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill followers of other religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
Kill an entire town if anyone there worships another God. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
Kill in the name of the Lord. (Jeremiah 48:10)
Death to followers of other religions. (Exodus 22:19)
All of these are very specific situations from the Old Testament - so, basically, these apply to Judaism - the Jewish religion - not to Christianity,

Christianity didn't come about until well after Jesus supposedly walked the earth died, and was resurrected.

No, I'm not saying I believe that really happened - that Jesus was really the Son of God, that he walked the earth, did everything in the stories, died and was resurrected - maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but the fact is, his life, as described in the New Testament, is the basis of Christianity.

a reply to: quintessentone

He's a globalist marxist interjecting his own far left politics into matters of faith. He hates patriotic Americans simply for loving their country and rejecting his far left personal politics. He favors an authoritarian state (the church) rather than the free market for solutions to economic issues. He's arrogant and biased. A LOUSY "Pope".

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: quintessentone

He's a globalist marxist interjecting his own far left politics into matters of faith. He hates patriotic Americans simply for loving their country and rejecting his far left personal politics. He favors an authoritarian state (the church) rather than the free market for solutions to economic issues. He's arrogant and biased. A LOUSY "Pope".

What does the Bible say about politics in church?

The Bible does not direct us toward political activism (2 Corinthians 10:3-4). The most important reason why we should not be involved in political activism is due to our mission. We have been called to reach the world with the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. We have not been called to moralize our society.

villagebible.church...#:~:text=The%20Bible%20does%20not%20direct,called%20to%20moralize%20our%20society.

a reply to: quintessentone

That is some form of protestantism. It's not Catholic. Catholics are allowed to be politically active. What is not welcome is "Pope Francis" interjecting his personal marxist politics onto Americans. That, and his personal anti-American bias which he gets from living in Argentina. He grew up resenting American exceptionalism and it shows. You may love the guy because he gives out free cups of coffee at his speeches, but that's not what makes a good pope. He fails.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: quintessentone

That is some form of protestantism. It's not Catholic. Catholics are allowed to be politically active. What is not welcome is "Pope Francis" interjecting his personal marxist politics onto Americans. That, and his personal anti-American bias which he gets from living in Argentina. He grew up resenting American exceptionalism and it shows. You may love the guy because he gives out free cups of coffee at his speeches, but that's not what makes a good pope. He fails.

From my post: About Us:

Village Bible Church is a Christian, protestant, evangelical, non-denominational church seeking to make disciples of Jesus. We focus on the essential doctrines of the Christian faith, while allowing for a diversity of opinions concerning doctrinal matters. At VBC, you can find the quality of a large church with the intimacy and personal interaction of a smaller church. Despite our many locations, we strive to collaborate with each other regarding ministry locally and church-wide. We encourage both visitors and members to view our updated beliefs and church doctrine.

They focus on the essential doctrines of the Christian faith while seeking to make disciples of Jesus.

The pope said:

“Let’s rediscover with amazement the fact that God speaks to us, especially through the holy Scriptures. Let’s read them, study them, meditate on them, and pray with them. Every day we should read a passage from the Bible, especially from the Gospel. There Jesus speaks to us, enlightens us, guides us,” the pope said.

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The Pope and the Village Bible Church are saying the same thing, follow Jesus' teachings from the Bible.

Some politicized Christian conservatives are not doing that by their actions.

a reply to: quintessentone
Again ... that's PROTESTANT, not Catholic.
What they interpret is IRRELEVANT to Catholics.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: quintessentone
Again ... that's PROTESTANT, not Catholic.
What they interpret is IRRELEVANT to Catholics.

Jesus' teachings is not irrelevant to protestants nor Catholics, that's the core of it all.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Jesus' teachings is not irrelevant to protestants nor Catholics, that's the core of it all.

Again. For the 3rd time. Get it through your head. That was FUNDAMENTALIST PROTESTANT INTERPRETATION and is NOT what Catholics interpret nor believe. Same bible .. different interpretations. You know nothing about Catholicism. Nothing. *SNIP*

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Jesus' teachings is not irrelevant to protestants nor Catholics, that's the core of it all.

Again. For the 3rd time. Get it through your head. That was FUNDAMENTALIST PROTESTANT INTERPRETATION and is NOT what Catholics interpret nor believe. Same bible .. different interpretations. You know nothing about Catholicism. Nothing. Go stare at the sun.

Jesus' teachings don't need to be interpreted. Here's some help for you to get back on track.

Jesus never belittled, shamed, or degraded people. Especially those who were a mess. When Jesus spent time with hurting people they felt seen, accepted, worthy, loved, forgiven and rescued.

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originally posted by: quintessentone
Jesus' teachings don't need to be interpreted.

They ARE interpreted. You know nothing about Catholicism. You posted a fundamentalist protestant interpretation quote trying to say that Catholics can't be involved in politics. That's dead wrong. Nothing in the catechism says Catholics can't get involved in politics. Again ... go stare at the sun.

a reply to: tanstaafl

You are correct. Technically speaking. But as I pointed out to FlyersFan, there are some Christians who don't make that distinction, between the Old and New Testament. Plenty of Christians view the Bible as a whole and for them. One or two on these very boards have told me if it wasn't for modern laws, they believed those Old Testament laws should be followed.

So yeah, written for the people before Jesus. Applied by plenty of Christians throughout the ages after he died.

I'd personally go so far as to say that it doesn't even matter anyway.

The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New. At some point the Alpha and Omega told his followers to kill all non believers. Among many other detestable things.

a reply to: Terpene

I didn't say that, or even imply that.

Try not to use your imagination to jump to conclusions.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

It was a question...

a reply to: Terpene

Well, maybe you didn't imply that I implied anything.

I just don't know why you would ask that unless you thought I felt that way.

My bad.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: tanstaafl
One or two on these very boards have told me if it wasn't for modern laws, they believed those Old Testament laws should be followed.

Most of those writings were not laws, they were stories.

An honest question: how do you determine what is a law in the writings of the Bible?

There are the Ten Commandments. But how do you know which of the other words are laws/commandments, or are just stories?

So yeah, written for the people before Jesus. Applied by plenty of Christians throughout the ages after he died.

Yes, people have always looked for excuses to commit atrocities, this is certainly not limited or unique to Christianity.

The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New. At some point the Alpha and Omega told his followers to kill all non believers. Among many other detestable things.

In certain situations and cases, yes... maybe.... in storyboard form.

But again... where is it written in the form of a Law or Commandment?

a reply to: tanstaafl

There are multiple interpretations of scripture coming from multiple types of Christians.

This is an old thread of mine:

Breaking the Strong Delusion: Our Morality vs. God's Morality

Some of my views have changed, and I got a little nit picky at times. But maybe your questions can be answered there.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
An honest question: how do you determine what is a law in the writings of the Bible?

Easy. You ask a Rabbi. All the laws are Old Testament.
The New Testament has two main commandments -
Love God and Love Neighbor as your self.
And 1050 other commandments that I will list later.
Jesus is the new covenant between God and Man.
Old Testament laws don't apply to Christians.
There is also 'the great mandate' to evangelize
but that's not a law.
ETA - Jesus also said "Do this in memory of me" recreating the
last supper - which is what Catholics do with the Eucharist part of
the Mass

All 613 Laws (Commandments) In The Old Testament

TGIF



THIS GUY ? LOL

a reply to: FlyersFan

So the people that use the Bible as justification for promoting laws that target the LGBT+ community are hiding behind the Bible to push their politics?

Gee, I wonder if it's those kind of people the Pope is talking about.