Will America collapse as a nation

I feel with no leadership coming out of the White House that is very possible.
People are saying that there's an open borders but what does that mean well it means that anybody that wants to come in that can legally come in or be admitted.
There actually is a crisis of the population of the American society Americans are not having that many children anymore.

So maybe this is all program to be true where the changes of society is to save society in the long run.

a reply to: musicismagic

The birth rate to sustain a replacement level fertility population is 2.1 births per woman, the U.S. is now at 1.64.

What exactly does open borders mean?

It has already started to collaspe.....

a reply to: musicismagic

a reply to: musicismagic

I can refer you to one of my very first threads here...


ATS the plane fall of the USA

a reply to: musicismagic

Possibly worth considering that throughout history many civilisations and nations have faced changes and challenges from one generation to the next.

But predicting the collapse of a nation is not exactly straightforward.

The USA, like any other country has its strengths and challenges, even weaknesses.

But it also possesses a resilient democratic system, a diverse economy, and a history of overcoming various crises and conundrums.

The USA is relatively young and still a baby comparatively speaking, being only 247 years old or thereabouts, and by my guess will be around for quite some time to come.

I believe America is right in the middle of it's collapse currently, I know many feel the same.

-Wide open border, allowing dangerous drugs and at least some dangerous people to flood into the country. How much is it going to cost the US taxpayer to subsidize all these people? Will they all be granted citizenship and voting rights eventually, cloward-piven?

-The left absolutely destroying our economy and the backbone of the country, the working middle class. Killing our energy independence with the Green New Deal.

-Leftist bought and paid for justice system, going after political opponents including citizens. Coddling criminals with soft sentences and encouraging more crime. The cities our becoming evermore dangerous and its spreading.

-The media, politicians, and schools demonizing conservatives and white people. Institutionally brainwashing people to be full of hate and anger by constantly telling them that they are victims.

-The hyper sexuality of our society cannot be good for our youth either. Drag queens in schools, gender disphoria celebrated as something other than delusion. Even heterosexual hyper sexuality is everywhere and warping the minds of people. The hit song of last summer was WAP and this is celebrated in our sick country?

-Our military services have absolutely been corrupted by wokeness, and significantly weakened.

-Our infustructre is crumbling. Our power grid is in terrible shape, and we are throwing our tax dollars everywhere else.

-Our economy as a whole is teetering on the edge of collapse. Another four years of leftist policy may finish it off.

-Our media is absolutely dominated by one side of the political spectrum. They lie and divide, and try to censor opposing views. That helps to create a fascist state. Most of the MSM is nothing but a tool of the left.

In all I think that our culture has been irrevocably damaged. We have generations of people brainwashed to hate their own country. We have politicians, some woefully ignorant, others purposefully leading to our destruction.

The only question to me is do we continue our eventual collapse at our current trajectory or do we see a SHTF event to finish us off. Do we descend into a third world state or a dystopian fascist state? Does it matter?

a reply to: KaiserSouszay

Your post nailed it. Dead on accurate.
It is already collapsing and the left is cheering as it does.
Foreign countries want a weak USA and they are getting it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: KaiserSouszay

Your post nailed it. Dead on accurate.
It is already collapsing and the left is cheering as it does.
Foreign countries want a weak USA and they are getting it.

Thank you, I hope to be wrong though. And you are correct foreign powers are absolutely salivating over our collapse and are also contributing to it. The saddest part is we as a country have allowed this to happen, the course is still reversible but we have no chance with our current trajectory and will soon pass the point of no return.

oh another thread, this is the 3rd one this month you have made on the impending doom and collapse of USA

perhaps you could just add to your existing threads?

The self-destruction of America as a society that once was happy

It's happening, the fall of the American cities

Is it because pernets dont whip there kids enough for you still?

originally posted by: musicismagic When parents were afraid to whip their kids, then it began the fall of the United States Empire. Soon, there will be no place to run to. I've said this many times, people are rushing into Japan to live here permantly, but they are brings their ways with them. So far, it is easy to deport foreigners that break the law. But since they feel they can do what they want ( which many do ), society here is also breaking down. Schools in the larger cities are finding it difficult to teach ruddy children from broken families.

a reply to: KaiserSouszay

The economy is the biggest pain point I agree.

And the left certainly hasn’t done anything to help that, in reality their policies have only added to the list of problems.

But the scary part to me is that the right thinks they’re salvation from that.

Their last two presidents added a great deal of the debt and problems to the country. Bush with the wars in the Middle East, and some of his policies that lead to 08’. Trump added about 25% to the national debt, and he bailed out a lot of businesses that should have been allowed to fail.

Both parties have been leading to our demise, and the only reason they get away with it is their partisan base convincing themselves they’re not as bad as their opponents. Dogmatic ideology is what is hurting this country, because it doesn’t leave any room for self awareness or introspection.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Foreign countries want a weak USA and they are getting it.

No, we don't.

Its teething troubles, you'll sort it out.

For all its faults - and there are many - the world is a far better and safer place with the USA and its place on the world stage than it would be without them.

a reply to: Freeborn

Thank you for your support!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: KaiserSouszay

The economy is the biggest pain point I agree.

And the left certainly hasn’t done anything to help that, in reality their policies have only added to the list of problems.

But the scary part to me is that the right thinks they’re salvation from that.

Their last two presidents added a great deal of the debt and problems to the country. Bush with the wars in the Middle East, and some of his policies that lead to 08’. Trump added about 25% to the national debt, and he bailed out a lot of businesses that should have been allowed to fail.

Both parties have been leading to our demise, and the only reason they get away with it is their partisan base convincing themselves they’re not as bad as their opponents. Dogmatic ideology is what is hurting this country, because it doesn’t leave any room for self awareness or introspection.

Oh I completely agree 90% of the rhinos on the right are also responsible for our current economic situation. I do think a small percentage of conservatives on the right are trying to do right by the citizens though. I think the Green New Deal that is backed by virtually the entire left and a large percentage of the right is possibly the final nail in the coffin.

I think socially and culturally the left is significantly more responsible for our decay. Our cultural demise also seeps into our economic downfall.

Every nation will collapse. We are heading directly into a total economic and ecological collapse. It is a multi-faceted issue, and there is nothing to be done at this point. Politics won’t matter anymore when hungry people are breaking down doors for food and water.

The speed at which this all takes place is going to snap necks.

a reply to: musicismagic

If American leadership was up to politicians it would have collapsed before it started. Thankfully, it’s not.

a reply to: KaiserSouszay

>The only question to me is do we continue our eventual collapse at our current trajectory or do we see a SHTF event to finish us off. Do we descend into a third world state or a dystopian fascist state?

A great leader will step up and fix this mess. This leader will be so great that he will appear to save many countries that are falling apart. People everywhere will start thinking we actually have a chance at world peace, a new golden age. That's when the real SHTF.

If Biden stays President or if Trump becomes President again then who knows what clownshow will play out here.

The reality of it is that if the US was to fail then it would be a function of something happening to the world as a whole.

a reply to: Psychonautics

Yeah, people have been claiming the same to similar for as long as i can remember.

Shoveling the same sort of doom porn since i joined in 2011 and truth be told a hell of a lot longer.

And yet here we are, and the sky still has not fallen.

So not exactly happening at break neck speed by my guess or anything reminiscent of the sort.

a reply to: Psychonautics

Double, my bad.

originally posted by: FormerlyChucks
a reply to: KaiserSouszay

>The only question to me is do we continue our eventual collapse at our current trajectory or do we see a SHTF event to finish us off. Do we descend into a third world state or a dystopian fascist state?

A great leader will step up and fix this mess. This leader will be so great that he will appear to save many countries that are falling apart. People everywhere will start thinking we actually have a chance at world peace, a new golden age. That's when the real SHTF.

So the antichrist?
It would not shock me at this point.