Missouri IS Protecting Children effective August 28th 2023

originally posted by: Annee
And politicians certainly are not qualified to make that decision.

They make laws based on the information available.
And all available information shows puberty blockers mutilate children.
Considering that most children who think they are TRANS end up not being,
it is INSANE to allow puberty blockers to be given to non TRANS children.
It's the job of the politicians to protect the citizens from unscrupulous
doctors and left wing zealots and activists.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Annee
And politicians certainly are not qualified to make that decision.

They make laws based on the information available.
And all available information shows puberty blockers mutilate children.
Considering that most children who think they are TRANS end up not being,
it is INSANE to allow puberty blockers to be given to non TRANS children.
It's the job of the politicians to protect the citizens from unscrupulous
doctors and left wing zealots and activists.

You have the wrong information.

If you are under age 19, the criteria for getting a prescription for a puberty blocker are:

a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender non-conformity or gender dysphoria.

gender dysphoria emerged or worsened with the onset of puberty.

coexisting psychological, medical, or social problems, if any, are stable enough to start treatment.

the adolescent having given informed consent. The consent of your guardian is preferred but not absolutely necessary under the BC Infants Act

Usually an endocrinologist (hormone specialist) monitors puberty blockers and hormone therapy for youth, due to changing needs during adolescence. The endocrinologist can work with your primary care provider for routine monitoring.

There are no known irreversible effects of puberty blockers. If you decide to stop taking them, your body will go through puberty just the way it would have if you had not taken puberty blockers at all.

www.phsa.ca...

originally posted by: quintessentone
You have the wrong information.

No, you do. I have already posted time and time again the effects of puberty blockers and how they cause perm. changes in the body. No child should be taking these let alone NON TRANS children who are just going though a fad.

The law is common sense and a good one.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
You have the wrong information.

No, you do. I have already posted time and time again the effects of puberty blockers and how they cause perm. changes in the body. No child should be taking these let alone NON TRANS children who are just going though a fad.

The law is common sense and a good one.

I just posted proof they don't cause problems, where is your source that they do?

Studies have shown that the so-called safe 'puberty blockers' do indeed cause permanent damage to children. Bone density. Brain. Stunted growth. Widening of hips. Permanent voice changes. Infertility. Blood clots. Altered neurodevelopment. Possible connection to high blood pressure and high cholesterol and diabetes.

The common sense thing to do is withhold these drugs from children who think they may be TRANS because most who think they are end up NOT BEING TRANS. Giving these drugs to NONTRANS children just to enable a fad is insane. The law is a common sense one.

Gender Transition Medications and Surgeries for Children in the US

There are significant side effects and limited research on the long-term impacts and efficacy of various treatments used in a GACM of gender dysphoria in children. Patients and parents are advised that the use of puberty blockers in children may be associated with lower bone density, stunted growth, fertility issues, and underdevelopment of genital tissue (Mayo Clinic, 2022; St. Louis Children’s Hospital, n.d.; Brown & Stathatos, 2022). Moreover, a study conducted in England demonstrated similar negative side effects, such as lowered bone density and stunted growth, without showing a change in the psychological well-being of the children studied (Carmichael et al., 2021, p. 18; Brown & Stathatos, 2022). Cross-sex hormones prescribed to children also demonstrated a plethora of side effects, including blood clots in veins and permanent infertility (CDC, n.d.; NHS England, 2016, p. 8; Brown & Stathatos, 2022). Importantly, cross-sex hormones can result in the development of secondary sex characteristics such as the development of breasts in male-to-female patients and deepening of the voice in female-to-male patients that, though desired at the time, are irreversible (NHS England, 2020b; Brown & Stathatos, 2022). Moreover, the neurocognitive effects of pubertal suppression are unknown. International experts are in consensus about the need to assess long-term effects and have stated that: “Taken as a whole, the existing knowledge about puberty and the brain raises the possibility that suppressing sex hormone production during this period could alter neurodevelopment in complex ways—not all of which may be beneficial” (Chen et al. 2020).

St. Louis Childrens Org - Transgender Center - Puberty Blockers

Breast growth, facial hair, voice deepening, widening of hips are all perm.

Using puberty blockers is like hitting a pause button. By blocking the sex hormones testosterone and estrogen, puberty blockers delay changes that can affect gender expression, including:

Breast growth
Facial hair growth
Periods
Voice deepening
Widening hips

New York Times Puberty Blockers

Dutch doctors first offered puberty blockers to transgender adolescents three decades ago, typically following up with hormone treatment to help patients transition. Since then, the practice has spread to other countries, with varying protocols, little documentation of outcomes and no government approval of the drugs for that use, including by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

But there is emerging evidence of potential harm from using blockers, according to reviews of scientific papers and interviews with more than 50 doctors and academic experts around the world.

The drugs suppress estrogen and testosterone, hormones that help develop the reproductive system but also affect the bones, the brain and other parts of the body.

Whistle Blower - Kids 'gender clinic'

“Being put on powerful doses of testosterone or estrogen — enough to try to trick your body into mimicking the opposite sex — affects the rest of the body,” she wrote. “I doubt that any parent who’s ever consented to give their kid testosterone (a lifelong treatment) knows that they’re also possibly signing their kid up for blood pressure medication, cholesterol medication, and perhaps sleep apnea and diabetes.”

She added, “Our patients were told about some side effects, including sterility. But after working at the center, I came to believe that teenagers are simply not capable of fully grasping what it means to make the decision to become infertile while still a minor.”

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Annee
And politicians certainly are not qualified to make that decision.

They make laws based on the information available.
And all available information shows puberty blockers mutilate children.
Considering that most children who think they are TRANS end up not being,
it is INSANE to allow puberty blockers to be given to non TRANS children.
It's the job of the politicians to protect the citizens from unscrupulous
doctors and left wing zealots and activists.

You are agreeing with the politicians because you agree with them.

They are doing this because they’re in the Bible Belt —
making their majority voters happy.

They are not doing this because they know more than the medical experts or even the parents who deal with it in a daily basis.

a reply to: FlyersFan

That report you keep pushing is extremely biased toward the Right and heavily opinion based.

It is not medically factual.

originally posted by: Annee
You are agreeing with the politicians because you agree with them.

Huh?

They are doing this because they’re in the Bible Belt —
making their majority voters happy.

Says you. It's a common sense law.

They are not doing this because they know more than the medical experts or even the parents who deal with it in a daily basis.

So now you are a champion of parents rights? Elsewhere you say parents don't have a need to know if their child thinks he or she is trans and the schools have a right to withhold that information. Which is it? Parents rights and parents know what to do or not. Make up you mind.

originally posted by: Annee
That report you keep pushing is extremely biased toward the Right and heavily opinion based.
It is not medically factual.

Wrong. It has as it's sources the MAYO Clinic and St Louis Childrens Hospital and the CDC and other medical sources. It is well documented and it is not the only source I used. It is accurate. The FACT is puberty blockers cause permanent harm to children. That is well documented. Deal with it.

ETA .... that information wasn't even up for a minute and you commented on how wrong it was. You didn't even read it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

While puberty blockers have been scrutinized by some due to their use in caring for transgender children, these drugs have been in use since the 1980s and are overwhelmingly safe if used appropriately. Side effects such as bone health risks typically only occur with prolonged use past the age of puberty.

www.cedars-sinai.org...#:~:text=While%20puberty%20blockers%20have%20been,past%20the%20age%20of% 20puberty.

a reply to: quintessentone

the source you used is clearly biased, this is just part of the "agenda" i keep referring to. there whole business model is dependent on supporting Trans ideals.
From your source :

Puberty blockers are considered to be very safe overall.

We are not sure if puberty blockers have negative side effects on bone development and height. Research so far shows that the effects are minimal. However, we won’t know the long-term effects until the first people to take puberty-blockers get older.

Here is information from a from a non biased source which i have linked in previous threads but apparently you choose to ignore it:
Mayo CLinic

What are the possible side effects and complications?
Possible side effects of GnRH analogue treatment include:
Swelling at the site of the shot.
Weight gain.
Hot flashes.
Headaches.
Mood changes.

Use of GnRH analogues also might have long-term effects on:
Growth spurts.
Bone growth.
Bone density.
Fertility, depending on when the medicine is started.
If individuals assigned male at birth begin using GnRH analogues early in puberty, they might not develop enough skin on the penis and scrotum to be able to have some types of gender-affirming surgeries later in life. But other surgery approaches usually are available.

Those who take GnRH analogues typically have their height checked every few months. Yearly bone density and bone age tests may be advised. To support bone health, youth taking puberty blockers may need to take calcium and vitamin D supplements.

It's important to stay on schedule with all medical appointments. Between appointments, contact a member of the health care team if any changes cause concern.

St. Louis Childrens Hospital

Other possible long-term side effects that are not yet known.

OR, you can go to the manufacturer of one of the more widely used GnRH Lupron where, upon visiting the page you are greeted with a lovely pop up message which took me several SS's to capture fully...
Notice the drug is introduced as a treatment for "Central Precocious Puberty" which as we have discussed earlier we know does not treat these conditions...SMH
Will edit to add images after i upload them or you can visit the link above to see for yourself, you are wrong

a reply to: quintessentone
and I posted well sourced information showing just the opposite. Puberty blockers effect the whole body. They should not be given to children, especially when those children most likely will OUTGROW their TRANS fad.

a reply to: datguy

All your sources state "possible side effects" and that is dependant on how the hormones are used, when and for how long.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: quintessentone
and I posted well sourced information showing just the opposite. Puberty blockers effect the whole body. They should not be given to children, especially when those children most likely will OUTGROW their TRANS fad.

That decision is not yours, mine or anyone else's to make, save the child, parent and team of medical professionals.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: datguy

All your sources state "possible side effects" and that is dependant on how the hormones are used, when and for how long.

What medication does not have warning of side effects.

None

The people/voters/politicians in denial of gender-care/transgender are the same demographic that want to deny abortion, same sex marriage, Civil Rights, etc

Nothing to do with what’s best for “the kids”.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: datguy

All your sources state "possible side effects" and that is dependant on how the hormones are used, when and for how long.

What medication does not have warning of side effects.

None

The people/voters/politicians in denial of gender-care/transgender are the same demographic that want to deny abortion, same sex marriage, Civil Rights, etc

Nothing to do with what’s best for “the kids”.

Absolutely they care nothing for these transkids health and wellbeing.

originally posted by: quintessentone
That decision is not yours, mine or anyone else's to make, save the child, parent and team of medical professionals.

It's the job of the law makers to protect citizens from bad drugs, bad doctors, bad policies. This is a common sense law protecting children from harm. So now you think parents should be in on the decisions of a possible TRANS child? Elsewhere here you supposed schools not having to tell parents that their child thinks he or she is trans. So which is it? Parents should know and be part of the process or not? Make up your mind.

a reply to: quintessentone

again you are wrong, you should have waited to reply until i uploaded the said images, here they are from the horses mouth









The most important part to me is when they mention

Some of the people who have taken GnRH agonists like Lupron have had new or worsened mental (phyciatric) problems

Do I really need to highlight the more severe side effects and warnings listed here by the maker of the drug?
oh lets not ignore that "this may not be all of the possible side effects"

originally posted by: Annee
Nothing to do with what’s best for “the kids”.

Says you. You don't know their motivation to be able to say that with any credibility.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Annee
Nothing to do with what’s best for “the kids”.

Says you. You don't know their motivation to be able to say that with any credibility.

History does not lie.

Don’t mess with the baby maker — says God

That’s all they really care about.