One of UK's most prolific serial killer is convicted of murdering 7 babies and for 6 murder attempts

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: teapot

Most, if not all of what I have seen and heard, aren't saying that there is an actual murderer (another culprit)...as such.

I have read that deaths did not decline after she was removed though.....you can read about it on the chimp investor link I posted on the last page.

I'm trying to find coroner reports but could only find this so far;

‘No single cause’ identified for rise in baby deaths at Countess of Chester Hospital (that was back in 2017)

It is very odd isn't it?

www.chesterstandard.co.uk...

But the review could not find a reason for the rise in baby deaths from June 2015 to June 2016.

It identified significant gaps in medical and nursing rotas, insufficient senior doctor cover, poor decision making and a reluctance by some staff to seek advice from colleagues.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

‘In Noah’s case staff shortages meant blood tests and X-rays were not assessed for seven hours and there was one doctor on duty who was splitting his time between the neonatal ward and the children’s ward.

‘The fact that his condition worsened on a Saturday night and Sunday morning, when there were less senior staff on duty and the nearest specialist was 40 miles away at Alder Hey was a factor.’

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Gestational Age
Prior to 2017, babies who died under 22 weeks gestation were not reviewed by CDOP, which was outside the Working together Guidance. 2017/18 was the first year that all baby deaths (excluding infants live-born following planned, legal terminations of pregnancy and stillbirths) were reviewed, which included 5 East Cheshire cases and one West Cheshire case, that would not have been reviewed in previous years.

www.cescp.org.uk...

Stranger and stranger.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: teapot

Most, if not all of what I have seen and heard, aren't saying that there is an actual murderer (another culprit)...as such.

I have read that deaths did not decline after she was removed though.....you can read about it on the chimp investor link I posted on the last page.

I'm trying to find coroner reports but could only find this so far;

‘No single cause’ identified for rise in baby deaths at Countess of Chester Hospital (that was back in 2017)

It is very odd isn't it?

www.chesterstandard.co.uk...

But the review could not find a reason for the rise in baby deaths from June 2015 to June 2016.

It identified significant gaps in medical and nursing rotas, insufficient senior doctor cover, poor decision making and a reluctance by some staff to seek advice from colleagues.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

‘In Noah’s case staff shortages meant blood tests and X-rays were not assessed for seven hours and there was one doctor on duty who was splitting his time between the neonatal ward and the children’s ward.

‘The fact that his condition worsened on a Saturday night and Sunday morning, when there were less senior staff on duty and the nearest specialist was 40 miles away at Alder Hey was a factor.’

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Gestational Age
Prior to 2017, babies who died under 22 weeks gestation were not reviewed by CDOP, which was outside the Working together Guidance. 2017/18 was the first year that all baby deaths (excluding infants live-born following planned, legal terminations of pregnancy and stillbirths) were reviewed, which included 5 East Cheshire cases and one West Cheshire case, that would not have been reviewed in previous years.

www.cescp.org.uk...

Stranger and stranger.

You should watch the 3-4 videos I linked where there are many who have openly expressed doubts about the facts of this case. It's a rather complicated matter. There seems to be a lot of doubt but that doesn't exonerate Lucy Letby who has been found guilty for several deaths (7 deaths I think) and will spend the rest of her life in prison if no new evidence or another trial doesn't happen. But I think it's very likely there would appeals on the decision. It looks there have been multiple failures at all levels and Lucy Letby may not be the only one responsible.


youtu.be...

A criminal barrister challenges the decision by drawing parallels with other similar cases of convicted nurses who were later found innocent.
Very interesting and I will be following this one.


youtu.be...

Lucy Letby: Is she innocent?

a reply to: quintessentone



Did you read this chimp investor link?

www.chimpinvestor.com...

If you go to that page and click on 'all posts' top left......you will find more to read.

the reason we don't have the death penalty in the uk is that the police/courts do not have an impeccable record to gift them access to the ultimate sanction..

it seems many would be rushing to get her on the long drop has convinced me this is worth a second look.

a safe verdict should be able to stand up to an appeal if that scares people then it really isn't that safe to begin with..

originally posted by: nickyw
the reason we don't have the death penalty in the uk is that the police/courts do not have an impeccable record to gift them access to the ultimate sanction..

it seems many would be rushing to get her on the long drop has convinced me this is worth a second look.

a safe verdict should be able to stand up to an appeal if that scares people then it really isn't that safe to begin with..

Is this one of the major reasons the death penalty doesn't exist anywhere in Europe? I mean the possibility of a mistake is always there. But this isn't the only reason.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Can't speak for Europe, but here the death penalty has resulted in some questionable cases.

There's no appeal after being hanged.

Lock em up and let them be welcomed to Hell.

Prisoners who are scum tend to look down on even lower forms of pond life and have nothing to lose by getting at nonces if they are lifers.

Boiling kettle of water mixed with sugar is the norm.

Or a sock filled with pool balls or bars of soap.

a reply to: quintessentone

Wow thank you..there's a lot of info in the links you provided

What happened to Noah is absolutely shocking.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AlienBorg

Can't speak for Europe, but here the death penalty has resulted in some questionable cases.

There's no appeal after being hanged.

Lock em up and let them be welcomed to Hell.

Prisoners who are scum tend to look down on even lower forms of pond life and have nothing to lose by getting at nonces if they are lifers.

Boiling kettle of water mixed with sugar is the norm.

Or a sock filled with pool balls or bars of soap.

that you advocate this kind of abuse even while mentioning the questionable cases suggests a lot, it verges on the american revenge mentality that prisoners should be raped as part of the punishment..

do you really think this guy deserves the kinds of extra punishment you advocate here? as he fits the prisoners and extra punishments you suggest for this kind of scum.

from july this year
Man cleared of rape he didn’t commit after serving 17 years in prison

while in recent days police officers have been arrested for multiple rapes and death threats..
Serving Met officer charged with six counts of rape and threat to kill

we are in the middle of a top down corruption crisis, its one of the reasons we don't have the death penalty, as they'd be leveraging the death penalty to fix the crisis of confidence in the wider system including the nhs and especially westminster as its a top down crisis.

I reserve my stance on this case, if the verdict is safe it'll stand up to an appeal if not then its unsafe, and in my mind advocating permanently hurting people is one step short of demanding a lynching party..

and that'll serve no one least of all justice, it certainly won't make the system more trustworthy just more driven to thrive on revenge.

double post arg.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: nickyw
the reason we don't have the death penalty in the uk is that the police/courts do not have an impeccable record to gift them access to the ultimate sanction..

it seems many would be rushing to get her on the long drop has convinced me this is worth a second look.

a safe verdict should be able to stand up to an appeal if that scares people then it really isn't that safe to begin with..

Is this one of the major reasons the death penalty doesn't exist anywhere in Europe? I mean the possibility of a mistake is always there. But this isn't the only reason.

my comment was aimed at the uk and goes back to a rich who adopted the bloody code, and executed anyone for a myriad of minor infractions..

the system got so good it could go from condemned cell to the execution chamber to death in 8 seconds.

so for the uk it had been building so by the time of derek bentley and the execution of what was a child in a adult body it played a huge part in overturning the death penalty in more modern times that included a number of high profile unsafe convictions such as the Birmingham 6 where the police fabricated and suppressed evidence.

thus we are here and no matter the polling no one is going to trust this lot with the ultimate sanction..

a reply to: nickyw

Not advocating that, just saying, it happens.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: quintessentone

Wow thank you..there's a lot of info in the links you provided

What happened to Noah is absolutely shocking.

Really very sad and isn't it interesting that all through this they had staff shortages, so that may account as to why Lucy was always on duty because there was nobody else. Also the deaths continued after Lucy was removed from that hospital and not only continued but continued to rise.

a reply to: quintessentone

I really think that everyone should be aware of what happened to poor Noah at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

Not everyone bothers to click on links so I have copied and pasted this here so posters can have a read:

Melanie and Patrick Robinson’s baby, Noah, died after a series of blunders at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2014.

Noah was born by Caesarean section 12 weeks early on March 20, weighing just 1lb 7oz, after Mrs Robinson developed potentially fatal pre-eclampsia.

Despite his size he was given a good chance of survival.

But an inquest heard he died less than four days later after doctors mistakenly put a breathing tube into his gullet, which connects to the stomach. It should have gone into his trachea.

They also ignored five warning signs – from X-rays and other equipment, which they wrongly assumed were faulty. Mrs Robinson said there was only one senior doctor on duty when Noah began to deteriorate on March 22.

Recording a verdict of misadventure, coroner Nicholas Rheinberg told the inquest in Chester in February 2015: ‘There were very considerable signs [the tube was incorrectly positioned] and I find it surprising these signs were not realised.’

He said an assumption that equipment was faulty was ‘extraordinary’.

‘Shouldn’t the first assumption be the tube is in the wrong place, or that’s a strong possibility?’ he asked.

‘It’s like flying an aeroplane and seeing the oil gauge come on and you assume the gauge must be wrong, rather than the oil pressure is low.’

Mrs Robinson, who now has a daughter, was dismayed by the hospital’s level of care. 

‘We put our trust in the doctors to look after Noah, but they didn’t do what they were supposed to,’ she said. ‘We feel terribly let down by the NHS.’

a reply to: Itisnowagain

It is heartbreaking to read that again.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: quintessentone

I really think that everyone should be aware of what happened to poor Noah at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

Not everyone bothers to click on links so I have copied and pasted this here so posters can have a read:

Melanie and Patrick Robinson’s baby, Noah, died after a series of blunders at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2014.

Noah was born by Caesarean section 12 weeks early on March 20, weighing just 1lb 7oz, after Mrs Robinson developed potentially fatal pre-eclampsia.

Despite his size he was given a good chance of survival.

But an inquest heard he died less than four days later after doctors mistakenly put a breathing tube into his gullet, which connects to the stomach. It should have gone into his trachea.

They also ignored five warning signs – from X-rays and other equipment, which they wrongly assumed were faulty. Mrs Robinson said there was only one senior doctor on duty when Noah began to deteriorate on March 22.

Recording a verdict of misadventure, coroner Nicholas Rheinberg told the inquest in Chester in February 2015: ‘There were very considerable signs [the tube was incorrectly positioned] and I find it surprising these signs were not realised.’

He said an assumption that equipment was faulty was ‘extraordinary’.

‘Shouldn’t the first assumption be the tube is in the wrong place, or that’s a strong possibility?’ he asked.

‘It’s like flying an aeroplane and seeing the oil gauge come on and you assume the gauge must be wrong, rather than the oil pressure is low.’

Mrs Robinson, who now has a daughter, was dismayed by the hospital’s level of care. 

‘We put our trust in the doctors to look after Noah, but they didn’t do what they were supposed to,’ she said. ‘We feel terribly let down by the NHS.’

How do you explain this incident in your opinion.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Incompetence?

Who were these 'doctors'? Maybe it's normal for the unit to have broken equipment.

Oldcarpy2 is a medical lawyer or something like that.....I wonder what he thinks?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AlienBorg

Incompetence?

Who were these 'doctors'?

Oldcarpy2 is a medical lawyer or something like that.....I wonder what he thinks?

I wonder if these incompetent doctors (or doctor) threw Lucy under the bus?

a reply to: quintessentone

Mark Mayes has just put up an hour long video on YouTube.

He has an earlier one that speaks of the gang of 4.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: quintessentone

Mark Mayes has just put up an hour long video on YouTube.

He has an earlier one that speaks of the gang of 4.

I listened to the Mark Mayes video all the way through and he makes excellent points. It appears to me her defense team were also incompetent. The raw sewage issue was never investigated, in that, any air pathogens that the babies might have inhaled which from the article below does not take much to cause death.

www.dhs.wisconsin.gov...#:~:text=The%20health%20risks%20linked%20to,cause%20eye%20and%20respiratory%20irritation.