Trump will finally deliver proof of 2020 election Fraud - 2024 now in question?

originally posted by: JinMI

Then please show your work?

Because the only provided source claims different.

There are lots of news reports on this (like this one). Gateway Pundit didn't do its research.

(from the source above)

The case is not new news
The allegations at the heart of the Muskegon case — that a group submitted a large batch of suspect voter registration applications in the largely Democratic city — were covered in October 2020 by multiple media outlets, including west Michigan television stations WOOD-TV and WZZM-TV.

Muskegon Clerk Ann Meisch, who had alerted authorities, said at the time that her office had received an estimated 6,000 applications from a single organization. Most of the applications were valid, she told WZZM-13, but she estimated that "several hundred" had "irregularities," including wrong birthdays, addresses and signatures that did not match versions on file.

Bridge Michigan also reported on the initial state investigation in a "politics tracker" blog post published days before the Nov. 3 general election that officially saw Biden beat Trump by 154,188 votes.

“Any resulting registrations have been voided, and there is no expected impact on any election,” Michigan State Police spokesperson Shannon Banner told Bridge on Oct. 30, 2020.

I'm just using a convenient source. However, it provides some additional details:

The police documents detail execution of a search warrant at a GBI Strategies office in Southfield, where authorities found computer tablets, prepaid phones, T-shirts, pay cards and rental vans the group provided to canvassers hired to try to register potential voters in multiple cities, including Muskegon, Benton Harbor, Inkster, Flint and Southfield.

Police also found several guns in the group's Southfield office that were examined by an agent from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives but not confiscated because they were deemed to be the legal property of an employee, according to the law enforcement reports

If this site is reliable they're a voter registration company formed in 2014. (some confirming details and a bit more are at this site)

And, again, these sites all say that the fraud was caught before the election.

Here's the local news from Muskegon in 2020 note the date on this news report -- it's before the election and says no ballots were issued to any of these fraudulent registrations.

The conclusion is that the workers, rather than going door to door to register people (which is a long and thankless task. I've done it as a volunteer) just faked forms to get a paycheck. It wasn't some higher up directing this, it was frustrated people, being paid -- not by the hour but by the filled out form they turned in -- attempting to game the system.

Having done that kind of registration work, I find this scenario very credible. If it'd been done at a campaign headquarters, they actually have lists of people with addresses and what party they're affiliated with or vote with and would have done a somewhat better job of faking it. (I know this because, as I said, I've volunteered with a campaign and did some of the block walking and used the software.)



(edited to add these local sources and as you see they're reporting BEFORE the election was held: WOOD tv and WZZM News

a reply to: Byrd

It wasn't some higher up directing this, it was frustrated people, being paid -- not by the hour but by the filled out form they turned in -- attempting to game the system.

And yet...GBI Strategies was running the operation and bankrolled it......

Can't have it both ways.

Was it common for you to have weaponry also in your HQ?

Can you explain why the FBI didn't investigate or hasn't publicly reported its findings?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: JinMI

Cool, but no votes were cast, so this did not affect the count in Michigan so a claim that fraud occurred affecting the vote would be false.

If you are correct that this one group of people didn't manage to cast any fraudulent votes, cool but, that doesn't mean that fraud didn't happen in other places, and or by other means.

Something caused this statistical anomaly.

a reply to: Itherael

He eill not prove anything! Tbd guy is so far up his own a##, I think he actually believes the bs he says!

a reply to: JumpTheGun76

I think he actually believes the bs he says!

Thanks.

Seems even the most rabid thinks Trump believes what he says. Kinda sinks the entire GA case and perhaps a large part of the FL case.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd

It wasn't some higher up directing this, it was frustrated people, being paid -- not by the hour but by the filled out form they turned in -- attempting to game the system.

And yet...GBI Strategies was running the operation and bankrolled it......

Can't have it both ways.

Was it common for you to have weaponry also in your HQ?

Can you explain why the FBI didn't investigate or hasn't publicly reported its findings?

I have no experience with private companies that do voter registration. My experience was volunteering directly for a local politician, who ensured that we had the proper certification and knew the correct procedures (it was drilled into us firmly.) I didn't go into her desk drawers, but she certainly didn't wave around any guns or offer any payments in my presence. I have no idea what she kept there.

She could have kept lizards in her cupboards, for all I know.

I don't work for the FBI, nor have I ever worked for them and so have no direct knowledge about the FBI case. For all I know, it may be an active investigation. If it is, then they're certainly not gong to be tipping their hand.

a reply to: Byrd

All that is fair.

My question then is, don't you have questions regarding this story?

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Enduro

I would be thrilled to be dealing with Trumps “failure” right about now.

Natural gas and water bill have gone up around 30% here. Gasoline $4.00 a gallon. Grocery prices have gone out of site. Older folks I work with have had to hold off retiring due to taking such a hit on their 401ks ( talking 250k to 400k losses)

Presidents don't control gas prices, you know... and the reason they got very low during Trump's admin was Covid meant almost nobody was driving. 635 here in Dallas was actually driveable during that time period.

I live next to a local police officer that told me it’s unbelievable how many people they pullover anymore end up getting their cars towed cause they can’t afford insurance or registration.

We're having a boatload of faked car registration tags (the paper dealer tags.) If Trump had stayed in power, you'd still see the same thing -- speculator companies buying up houses (remember those constant calls during Trump's time?), stupidly high rents, etc. Here in Texas the electric bills are going sky high but that's because of Mr. Abbot (not Biden or Trump) and permitting the companies to "recover costs" after the disastrous ice storm of a few years ago.

There are some things a president can control and there are other things they can't control (it's not in their job description and not permitted by law.) There's a tendency for people to think of the good things (lower prices, etc) as being due to having Their Guy in power... and any bad stuff due to The Other Guy being in power.

It's a complex picture. You can certainly complain about presidential moves, but it's best to separate what they can do from what they can't.

So shutting down keystone pipeline his first week in office didn’t affect gas prices at all? 830,000 barrels a day and cutting back on drilling killed us too.

a reply to: IndieA

For what it's worth I'm not American so my perspective is one of an outsider looking in.

The graph certainly looks like something nefarious is going on but it's doesn't take much searching to find similar vertical jumps in other states:



There's a seemingly reasonable explanation given by a Laura Bronner here. I can't speak to the reliability of that site or Laura Bronner.

originally posted by: Nyquist
a reply to: IndieA

For what it's worth I'm not American so my perspective is one of an outsider looking in.

The graph certainly looks like something nefarious is going on but it's doesn't take much searching to find similar vertical jumps in other states:

There's a seemingly reasonable explanation given by a Laura Bronner here. I can't speak to the reliability of that site or Laura Bronner.

They are not that similar.

From the start, I had to assume that a guy who ran from his basement and couldn't fill a highschool gym, had help getting more votes then any President in history. Statistically, it looks like that help happened across the country, but was primarily needed in our swing States.

There's some evidence that the voter rolls were inflated in several States before the election and deflated after the election. This inflates the number of inactive, dead, duplicate, and fake voters, who's voter registrations can be used to cast fraudulent votes by cheats. Since then several States have been sued to clean up there voter rolls and lost. I think Michigan is one of those States. Then there's evidence that seemed to be supressed, that a satellite from a military contractor in Italy was used to change votes on election night. Then there was talk about the software and algorithm that may have been used to do so, some interesting things about it's aledged inventor, and more evidence of suppression, counter-intelligence, and lawfare. I don't think most of this is likely to come up, out, or ever be proven, but my point is just that a lot of things are possible. The 2020 election has a bunch of rabbit holes and some run pretty deep.

Now, this just states "sources", so no actual statement, but I predicted this may happen behind the scenes and we'll get a Truth post about how he's been "silenced"
We will see. I don't think bringing up the same things he's said before will do him any good. I honestly don't think he has some "bombshell" info he's been holding for years. His own 2 investigations that we found out recently he had done found nothing. I know pillow guy is holding another 3 day fraud palooza, but haven't heard much from it. Just a pic of about 30 people there including Laura Loomer and Lou Dobbs.

Sources tell ABC News that Trump's legal advisors have told him that holding such a press conference with dubious claims of voter fraud will only complicate his legal problems and some of his attorneys have advised him to cancel it.

ABC

a reply to: frogs453

That advice for Trump seems to be coming from the left.

I would like to see a whole bunch of light shed on the 2020 Georgia election for starters. It could very well be to "domino" that exposes other problems in the 2020 election that could persist if nothing is done to correct them.

Georgia's election was a mess. This is just a summary of some of what was found:

VoterGA.org

WHAT WE FOUND IN GEORGIA

Six sworn affidavits of Fulton counterfeit ballots; (10s of thousands est.)

17,724 more votes than in person recount ballot images required to tabulate votes in Fulton

Drop box video surveillance representing 181,507 ballots destroyed in 102 counties

Improper Chain of Custody forms for 107,000 ballots statewide

Estimated Chain of Custody forms missing for 355,000 ballots statewide

(Georgia Star) 86,860 voters in 2020 have false registration date prior to 2017 but were not on 2017 history file

Over 1.7 million original ballot images are lost or destroyed in 70 counties despite state, federal law

The margin of victory was 11,779 votes, Fulton county alone,was missing over 17,500 ballot images, and the missing chain of custody for 355,000 ballots Statewide is ridiculous.

a reply to: IndieA

If you believe his legal advisors are left. I don't know to be honest how they vote.

So, is this new info or is this the same thing that was discussed the past few years, that some images were not preserved, yet all of the ballots were preserved and counted and recounted 3 times. Investigations looked into the chain of custody as well, the state number was not nearly as high as some claim, and while there certainly needs to be improvement in the system, the ballots themselves were legitimate, tied and verified to be actual voters.

a reply to: IndieA

Could be the same legal advisors who conspired with the FBI to keep hidden from the judges, that President Trump declassified a large amount of material on January 19th 2021.

Q often posted about how Donald Trump's inner circle has been infiltrated and that he is aware of it.

The more opposition there is to this information being revealed next Monday, the more attention it will get across America. That is a good thing.

Double

a reply to: IndieA

President Trump and his attorneys were well within bounds asking raffinsberger to find and cancel 11,381 fraudulent Biden votes. Everybody knew they were there.. especially Raffensperger and his boss Jack Kemp.. who paid way more than they should have for the Dominion voting system in Georgia.

a reply to: andy06shake

Unlike Joe Biden's dementia fueled mumbles, at least everyone knows what words came out of Donald Trump's mouth.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Another nail in the Left Can’t Meme coffin.