Can a state or county court system jail an ex president?

a reply to: Byrd

Yea, opinion pieces will do that....

Can a state or county court system jail an ex president?

Yes but the NSA has to go with him.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd

Star for the effort!

Actually, in today's news is the announcement that Giuliani can't pay his bills or his lawyers after all he's done for Trump. He's included in many of the charges plus others (being disbarred in New York, so he can't practice.)

I'm not sure why this matters. Are you happy about him going broke? Thanks CNN:

No, it's an example of "all the justice you can pay for." Giuliani has run out of capital... and political capital. I honestly expect his trials to be quick and it won't surprise me if he gets jail time. And I think he knows it.

Those aren't examples of anyone in the political theater. Except for Clinton. Do we want to use Clinton as the analog?

I wasn't quite sure what exactly you wanted because the question apparently covered so much ground. I'm neurodivergent (as you might have suspected) so sometimes you need to get very specific with a question before I can figure out which flavor of answer is correct for the scenario.

(and I'm guilty of coming up with entirely out-of-the-box answers even when I know the correct flavor. it's just the weird way my weird mind works.)

a reply to: Byrd

No, it's an example of "all the justice you can pay for." Giuliani has run out of capital... and political capital. I honestly expect his trials to be quick and it won't surprise me if he gets jail time. And I think he knows it.

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for Rudy. On one hand he's been a politician for a very long time, done some good and I'm sure done some bad. On the other, helping the POTUS where allies were scarce is pretty noble. Even though I'm under no delusions that there was some benefit for Rudy.

I wasn't quite sure what exactly you wanted because the question apparently covered so much ground. I'm neurodivergent (as you might have suspected) so sometimes you need to get very specific with a question before I can figure out which flavor of answer is correct for the scenario.

(and I'm guilty of coming up with entirely out-of-the-box answers even when I know the correct flavor. it's just the weird way my weird mind works.)

In a perfect world, I'd like a direct analog. The closest precedent to what Trump is facing in this political persecution. I call it that because I don't think we will find an analog. You showed the longest trial ever for Clinton and Benghazi. We know what happened there.

I asked another member this question and I'll ask you.

Lets say 1/4 of the charges result in conviction.

Is the left happy?

Is the right?

Is justice observably and objectively served?

Is trust in our institutions viewed in a net positive?


Finally, who is next under this standard of justice?

a reply to: JinMI

there is a reason why govs don't tend to target either the leader of the opposition or enemy country as it always results in worsening the situation its why neither nato to the us has directly tried to assassinate Putin or xi..

am sure this will be seen as a mistake in hindsight..