Can a state or county court system jail an ex president?

I am asking because I do not know. It would seem to me that these supposed federal issues should all be tried in a federal system. My guess is that all of these local charges are because that way Trump will not be able to pardon himself when he wins the election (if we even have one).

Any legal type constitutional smart people here that know a real answer to this question?

I dont.

a reply to: greendust

IIRC, you're correct. He cannot pardon himself, nor be pardoned by a POTUS for state crimes.

I think govenors are able to however.

For the title, I also think that if he is convicted and sentenced to prison, the options are to have secret service in there with him or some sort of special cell block.

Or most likely, home arrest.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: greendust

IIRC, you're correct. He cannot pardon himself, nor be pardoned by a POTUS for state crimes.

I think govenors are able to however.

For the title, I also think that if he is convicted and sentenced to prison, the options are to have secret service in there with him or some sort of special cell block.

Or most likely, home arrest.

Will they try to strip Trump of his Secret Service detail? Is it even possible?

a reply to: SourGrapes

I don't think they can.

18 USC 3056

I don’t think anything is impossible with these Nazis in power. Operation Paper Clíp has come full circle. Our greed let them infiltrate our highest offices. The 4th Reich is alive and well in DC. a reply to: SourGrapes

a reply to: greendust

You are assuming that he will be convicted of these manufactured crimes.
His lawyers are going to tear those clowns to shreds.

This is all to keep him from being elected president again.

You should see all the live comments in a live coverage video on YouTube I was just watching.
The deranged Liberals don’t care that he has not actually done any of those charges, they just want him in jail.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: greendust

IIRC, you're correct. He cannot pardon himself, nor be pardoned by a POTUS for state crimes.

I think govenors are able to however.

For the title, I also think that if he is convicted and sentenced to prison, the options are to have secret service in there with him or some sort of special cell block.

Or most likely, home arrest.

Man they are going all out aren't they? All of this really amazes me. It seems so unnecessary. Then again I liked Trump right off the bat because I felt that due to the hatred he was getting from both sides and the deep hatred from the DNC, that he must know some pretty frightening stuff. I mean it cannot ALL be just because he is getting in the way of their plans to have Klaus Schwab dance parties every night.

a reply to: greendust

I made a thread a short time ago asking a simple question just for a frame of reference.

Who since, and who before Trump has been held to the same legal standard?

originally posted by: greendust
I am asking because I do not know. It would seem to me that these supposed federal issues should all be tried in a federal system. My guess is that all of these local charges are because that way Trump will not be able to pardon himself when he wins the election (if we even have one).

Any legal type constitutional smart people here that know a real answer to this question?

I dont.

Yes they can.

Because none of this is Constitutional.

We've gone off the rails as a country.

Trump will be jailed.

He's got 88 indictments against him?

Jury in DC will be all leftists.

He won't get a fair trial(s) anywhere.

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: greendust

You are assuming that he will be convicted of these manufactured crimes.
His lawyers are going to tear those clowns to shreds.

This is all to keep him from being elected president again.

You should see all the live comments in a live coverage video on YouTube I was just watching.
The deranged Liberals don’t care that he has not actually done any of those charges, they just want him in jail.

I think the problem is going to be that these local venues are going to go with hand picked juries that they KNOW will convict. It makes me wonder how long it will take these cases to get to the Supreme Court. I hate all of this, it is embarrassing to me. I also do not want this to explode into real fighting, but all of my arm chair history reading has led me to believe that is exactly what weird "above the law" crap like this leads to.

I mean there is a reason why this red headed country farmer dude is like the number 1 played song across the internet.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: greendust
I am asking because I do not know. It would seem to me that these supposed federal issues should all be tried in a federal system. My guess is that all of these local charges are because that way Trump will not be able to pardon himself when he wins the election (if we even have one).

Any legal type constitutional smart people here that know a real answer to this question?

I dont.

Yes they can.

Because none of this is Constitutional.

We've gone off the rails as a country.

Trump will be jailed.

He's got 88 indictments against him?

Jury in DC will be all leftists.

He won't get a fair trial(s) anywhere.

I completely agree with this. I think this is actually the entire point of trying these in local venues. It is why the judge in FL is asking Bidens prosecutor why they are doing this. Of course the MSM acts like this judge is only asking because she was appointed by Trump, as if she knows him personally or something. Man I cannot stand the MSM. I also feel sorry for them because many of them are so dumb they have no idea the fire they are playing with.

a reply to: greendust

I also do not want this to explode into real fighting, but all of my arm chair history reading has led me to believe that is exactly what weird "above the law" crap like this leads to.

That is what the Liberals are pushing for, it’s pretty obvious at this point.

Remember the weird Biden speech on TV with all the red and black imagery? The Biden channels his inner Hitler speech?
Remember all the times he has said things to the effect of “Come on man, You are gonna need an F-15 to take on the government”?

It’s all happening right now.

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: greendust

I also do not want this to explode into real fighting, but all of my arm chair history reading has led me to believe that is exactly what weird "above the law" crap like this leads to.

That is what the Liberals are pushing for, it’s pretty obvious at this point.

Remember the weird Biden speech on TV with all the red and black imagery? The Biden channels his inner Hitler speech?
Remember all the times he has said things to the effect of “Come on man, You are gonna need an F-15 to take on the government”?

It’s all happening right now.

The F-15's do not fly if the maintenance crew walks away. I guess they think that isnt possible though. Then again, maybe tranny folk are really good at weapon maintenance?

Most third world # holes execute their competition.

America is rapidly degrading to that level of corruption. The Clinton crime syndicate enlisting the FBI is a pretty good indication of how bad things have gotten, and that was before Obama made things so much worse.

a reply to: greendust

In Georgia, as I understand it, pardons aren’t granted by the governor; they have to come from the state board of pardons & paroles. And you can’t apply for a pardon until five years after completing all of your sentence(s).

originally posted by: lordcomac
Most third world # holes execute their competition.

America is rapidly degrading to that level of corruption. The Clinton crime syndicate enlisting the FBI is a pretty good indication of how bad things have gotten, and that was before Obama made things so much worse.

I said right here when Trump was elected (under a different name) that Trump better do what CLinton did and fire every DA in the justice department or he was going to have some serious troubles. I do not stand corrected. Years of Clinton/Bush/Obama cronies has led to its ultimate conclusion. A tribe of people that are addicted to power and nothing else and will probably and have probably murdered to retain that power. They are royalty. They are exactly why we revolted against England in the first place except they actually seem worse. Much worse.

originally posted by: Gandalf77
a reply to: greendust

In Georgia, as I understand it, pardons aren’t granted by the governor; they have to come from the state board of pardons & paroles. And you can’t apply for a pardon until five years after completing all of your sentence(s).

Ahhh, so that lines up. Mucho insurance for those above the law. Bravo legal marxists, bravo!

a reply to: greendust
First of all, the indictments in Georgia will be for Georgia state crimes even though they revolve around a Federal election. There are usually state crimes that parallel Federal crimes, but the state does not have jurisdiction to prosecute a Federal crime and vice versa.

Having said that, Trump's attorneys will probably try to get the trial moved to a Federal court just because he would then be able to pardon himself and besides, it will delay the proceedings with appeals.

And yes, a local or state court can jail an ex-President. "Ex-President" is not a special status recognized by the law.

Georgia has a provision that anyone convicted of a RICO offense (which seems likely in Trump's case) has a mandatory 5 year sentence. Also, the Governor in Georgia does not have pardon power. Pardons there are handled by a committee and can only be granted after a criminal has served their full sentence.

Trump chose a very bad place to try to screw around with the election.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: greendust
First of all, the indictments in Georgia will be for Georgia state crimes even though they revolve around a Federal election. There are usually state crimes that parallel Federal crimes, but the state does not have jurisdiction to prosecute a Federal crime and vice versa.

Having said that, Trump's attorneys will probably try to get the trial moved to a Federal court just because he would then be able to pardon himself and besides, it will delay the proceedings with appeals.

And yes, a local or state court can jail an ex-President. "Ex-President" is not a special status recognized by the law.

Georgia has a provision that anyone convicted of a RICO offense (which seems likely in Trump's case) has a mandatory 5 year sentence. Also, the Governor in Georgia does not have pardon power. Pardons there are handled by a committee and can only be granted after a criminal has served their full sentence.

Trump chose a very bad place to try to screw around with the election.

Ah here you are to save the day. I hope yours is going well. Thanks for letting me know what you have stated. I value your thoughts.

a reply to: 1947boomer

First of all, the indictments in Georgia will be for Georgia state crimes even though they revolve around a Federal election.

18 USC 595

And yes, a local or state court can jail an ex-President. "Ex-President" is not a special status recognized by the law.

Yet it is, my USC link in the above comment shows one, here is another:
18 USC 879

There's also a Wiki entry, as that seems to be your preferred source......

Trump chose a very bad place to try to screw around with the election.

Is it not under the purview of the POTUS to ensure transparent and legal elections?