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originally posted by: spacedoubt
originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: 1947boomer
Trump chose a very bad place to try to screw around with the election.
The crooked Liberals picked a very bad country to cheat in an election.
They won’t get away with it.
Wait til you hear about the next set of charges.
Trying to manipulate voting machines in Georgia.
I think he’ll get house arrest, not sure what will happen with the new charges.
No plan B for the GOP. All the eggs got humpty dumptied.
They need to take his passport before he heads to Russia.
originally posted by: greendust
I am asking because I do not know. It would seem to me that these supposed federal issues should all be tried in a federal system. My guess is that all of these local charges are because that way Trump will not be able to pardon himself when he wins the election (if we even have one).
Any legal type constitutional smart people here that know a real answer to this question?
I dont.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: spacedoubt
That this was an attempt to coerce people to aid in stealing a valid election.
That's gonna need some proof. And lots of it. Oh, and a tiny things call mens rea.
Again, I ask, is it within the purview of the POTUS to ensure that elections are fair, transparent and legal?
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: greendust
I am asking because I do not know. It would seem to me that these supposed federal issues should all be tried in a federal system. My guess is that all of these local charges are because that way Trump will not be able to pardon himself when he wins the election (if we even have one).
Any legal type constitutional smart people here that know a real answer to this question?
I dont.
Yes. An ex-president is a private citizen. If they are convicted of a crime (murder, for example, or robbery) in a state by a state court, they have no immunity against being sent to prison. If it's a federal crime, then federal prison might be recommended. Famously, one Eugene V. Debs was convicted on charges relating to a worker's strike and ran for president from his jail cell :en.wikipedia.org...
And yes, we'll have an election. Never fear.
That said, let's acknowledge that the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy and influential, who often get off with lighter sentences or no jail time due to their lawyers and extensive plea bargaining. The question of where to hold Trump is an interesting one, though, and not one that's had to be explored in US laws before this.
That said, let's acknowledge that the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy and influential, who often get off with lighter sentences or no jail time due to their lawyers and extensive plea bargaining. The question of where to hold Trump is an interesting one, though, and not one that's had to be explored in US laws before this.
originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: JinMI
Why do you think those 30 unindicted conspirators were let off the hook?
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: RazorV66
After you read the collusion, admissions btwn all 18 of his CO-Co's...get back to me. But give yourself a few days...LOTZ of Republicans indicted today...
So how you Republicans feel NOW? (I hold no affiliation. Its all your problems.)
Now if someone would pick up Buffoon Biden...we'd be 50-50. We neither, we have a chance.....
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd
That said, let's acknowledge that the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy and influential, who often get off with lighter sentences or no jail time due to their lawyers and extensive plea bargaining. The question of where to hold Trump is an interesting one, though, and not one that's had to be explored in US laws before this.
Where is Trumps light sentence? His lawyers and "accomplices" plea deals? Immunity?
See, you're right there, on the cusp of understanding where many of us are coming from.
Even this liberal knows that Trump has not been convicted of any crime yet. You don't toss folks into jail because you don't like them or because you have "evidence."
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd
Even this liberal knows that Trump has not been convicted of any crime yet. You don't toss folks into jail because you don't like them or because you have "evidence."
You're one of the few remaining liberals here who can articulate their points and have a standard mode of common sense. I wouldn't presume to think that you think he should be locked up.
My point is that even a guy like Trump has finite resources. While the gov't has infinite taxpayer funding.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd
Yes, justice that you can pay for.
Even still, hes up against the full weight of the us taxpayer in 3 seperate states and one district of columbia.
Any analog to this historically?
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd
Yes, justice that you can pay for.
Even still, hes up against the full weight of the us taxpayer in 3 seperate states and one district of columbia.
Any analog to this historically?
Actually, in today's news is the announcement that Giuliani can't pay his bills or his lawyers after all he's done for Trump. He's included in many of the charges plus others (being disbarred in New York, so he can't practice.)
While the former mayor has declined in court to provide details of his financial state, his lawyers wrote this week that “producing a detailed financial report is only meant to embarrass Mr. Giuliani and draw attention to his misfortunes.”
Not sure which of those you intended (or something else), but as you see, oodles of examples abound.