Near Death Experiences - 'The Void' vs 'Heaven' - what do you expect when you die?

Ia reply to: FlyersFan2

I used to be a strong believer in the afterlife. But as I've grown older and more cynical, I'm at point where I don't believe in one. I'll list off why.

1.) There are untold numbers of species living on this planet. Why are humans so special that only we get to go to heaven?

2.) Humans lie. All the time. We lie to our children about Santa Claus. Be a good boy or girl and Santa will bring you presents. Couldn't an afterlife be viewed the same? Be a good boy or girl and you'll be welcomed into heaven.

3.) Have you ever been sedated? For an operation, wisdom tooth extraction etc? The vast majority that have get knocked out and next thing you know you're waking up and wondering where the time went. I would guess dying would be similar, except you never wake up.

4.) Many ancient religions and people speak of the afterlife. The thought is comforting. You mean after I've lived a struggling life I'll get to go somewhere that has eternal peace and love? Sign me up! It's a much nicer thought than when you die you're simply gone. Life after death to me is a concept humans came up with to cope with the fear of dying.

These are just a few of the thoughts I have. That's not to say I'm 100% certain there's nothing when we die. Reincarnation could be feasible. Especially when you consider the rule about energy. I certainly believe in a god, or gods. And there are so many astonishing things in this universe so I can't rule anything else. My disbelief is simply a practical view.

a reply to: DerekJR321

Animals will be in the new heaven.

I've done a past life regression. I won't go into details, but it wasn't a place we'd call earth. But the people were people. I was an old man, we were ritualisticly carrying buckets of water to pillars set in a circle, 6 in total, and pouring water on them. Only the elderly men performed this function. I fast forwarded to the point of death. I died as an old man, then I became a body of light set in the void, and there I rested.. And rested.. In peace, until I was brought back down into the body of a baby. I had total recall of my past life in this world, and I met my old family there. I remember the way people would truly feel each other. We'd shake hands and feel each other, emitting light in patterns while touching, usually golden in hue. The void is a place of rest, it is not a place of terror.

Anyway, that's all I have to say on this.

originally posted by: Emelius
The void is a place of rest, it is not a place of terror.

People who have experienced it during an NDE say it was horrifying to become nothing.

a reply to: UtIntusSicForis

You’re in the afterlife now, we’re not among the living here.

a reply to: FlyersFan2

Yeah, because the whole point of it is to dismiss NDEs as nonsense, just like our dreams, imagination, and psychedelic experiences.

We don’t want anyone questioning the reality of our reality now do we?

a reply to: FlyersFan2

You don’t become nothing, you become you!

a reply to: DerekJR321

1. Because they’re all “forms” we go thru to get there, we start at the bottom in the simplest forms and move up the chain of complexity. Blavatsky and others outline this in detail, and you can go into your genetic memory and see it thru intuition.

2. Humans don’t lie, they have no reason to. However, man is not Human, he the godless half of the human equation. Humanity is what we’re trying to become, not what we are. In our dual state (death) our Humanity is separated into man and god, our objective and subjective states of consciousness. The “deceiver” in you is your own intellect… Satan.

3. Yes, I’ve been sedated many times. You have the same dreams as in your sleep, it’s just harder to remember because of the associated “brain fog”. I’ve had full blown OBEs under sedation where I was wandering around the premises outside of my body during surgery. I was even able to verify it by taking the same tour after surgery while awake.

4. The “ancients” were us when we were alive, when we actually were Human. We’re in the afterlife now, and what you’re doing here is building your next life. Make no mistake, this is NOT life here, but it is where we make it. It really helps to know what Life and Death actually are and which state we’re in. Once you do, it all starts making a hell of a lot more sense.

originally posted by: FlyersFan2
What about ghosts?

Never seen one nor convincing evidence of one. Plus, ghosts don't make sense. Very illogical

Last week was night fishing a local lake. Tripped and went head first into 10ft of v cold lake. Which I seem to have swallowed most of it.

Was drowning and unconscious not breathing with no pulse when mates pulled me out. Fortunately one of them was trained on CPR. Took him a couple of minutes to bring me back. Cardiac arrest so was technically dead for a few minutes (he broke a couple of ribs doing the CPR!! But I sure don't hold that against him!).

So. Was there any mystical experience like running towards the light or whatnot?

Rather boringly, no. Nothing. Just blackness then woke up.

Rather frightening though and six nights in hospital.

No more night sessions for me. Mrs Carpy is most insistent about that.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

(he broke a couple of ribs doing the CPR!! But I sure don't hold that against him!).

Hope you heal up okay.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Just blackness then woke up..

The void. Blackness. Nothingness. Seems to be a very common NDE.
Hope you are feeling better soon!

a reply to: pthena

Thanks. Laughing hurts, coughing hurts like hell and as for sneezing.....

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yes, the void but I was not aware of anything or being anywhere.

Thanks, going to take a while I think.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I had a friend once who ended up with a punctured lung from a broken rib.

Try not to move around in shearing motions. No twisting or turning of torso.

a reply to: pthena

Thanks. Trying to avoid most moving!

a reply to: FlyersFan2

your post must of been a blue-ribbon panel of experts....
i had two NDEs over my lifetime so far.... & both were accompanied by 5 day and 7 day 'Coma' (like your post reports)

and my NDE experience can be summed up in 15 seconds for each unEarthly meet-up...

but what about the other combined 288 hours of comatose 'sleep' ? was there just 'static' like the movie CONTACT ?

... did i get a funeral dirge parade that i fail to recall up in heaven ?



serendipity; netflix has a movie titled Discovery on their menu

a reply to: FlyersFan2

I dispute your anecdotal claim that 'most' enter the void. That simply isn't true. The vast majority of near-death experiences that are reported are of an overwhelmingly positive nature. We can't say anything about those that aren't reported, but these experiences have been seriously studied for over forty years now, and most are extremely positive.

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The accounts submitted are assessed uncritically (IE the reports are believed to be genuine); however I have spotted a few here & there which are blatantly fake (one in particular regarding God as a gigantic cartton gorilla who told the experiencer he was totally awesome & 'in fact a lot like God' Himself, etc, etc. ) You have to be cautious & look for the patterns, the similarities & congruities between accounts which suggest a universal archetypal experience set. I've been fascinated with NDEs for a long time, and believe the subject & the accounts reported demonstrate God's grace to us humans who are fragile & damaged, confused & conflicted, unsure of anything spiritually real in a hugely corrupted world full of hypocrites & misinformation. God gives people the grace to find Him, even after death, He takes them away from the demonic entities that attack them, if they simply ask Him for help. He is gracious & kind, loving towards us, His children.

As for me, I have had numerous dreams which seem very spiritually 'real' which point strongly to a wondrous heavenly experience after passing away from life on this Earth. I have trust in God, in Jesus as Saviour - I know I cannot save myself in my own strength, so with humility I kneel at the feet of the King of Kings. His guidance has steered me through many, many trials & through the darkest oppresssion imaginable, to freedom which is hard to quantify - I trust in Him, in His plan, in His grace. I know Heaven awaits us.

a reply to: FlyersFan2

I expect the Archons to try and Trick me into Reincarnating back to this Prison Planet through an Overwhelming Force of Deception , but My FREE WILL Says Otherwise...